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Speaker 1: Development Minister Cissi to Lashe falsely told Parliament that she

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Speaker 1: accepted two luxury vehicles from Chinese officials as donations for

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Speaker 1: to try and figure out what the truth is here. Nagutula,

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Speaker 1: thank you for making time. Good morning, good.

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Speaker 2: Morning comment and how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm all right? Thank you. Can you confirm, as the

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Speaker 1: ANC Women's League if you've received two donations of luxury

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Speaker 2: I know nothing about that. I learning and hearing about

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's actually it's quite shocking. Then if as the

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Speaker 1: your president Cissito Lasher responded to a parliamentary question by

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Speaker 1: Derrelin James of actually essay that the vehicles were donated

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Speaker 1: to the ANC Women's League. Have you had an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to speak to your president about this.

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Speaker 2: We are busy in the process of conducting a thorough

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Speaker 2: investigation on the metal clement, because the unfortunate part is

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Speaker 2: that this was responded to Parliament by the Minister of

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Speaker 2: contacting some investigations so as we the better understanding as

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Speaker 2: So we're all now clouded with all those questions ourselves

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Speaker 2: because we didn't know anything about this thing. But we

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Speaker 2: take the responsibility fully so that we're able to account

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Speaker 2: with the nation and also to the membership of the

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Speaker 2: Women's Lead about the cars for their name being dragged

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Speaker 2: into mud about something that we're all appear for now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it, So we are doing

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Speaker 2: it thurtaugh investigation because we also don't want to jump

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Speaker 2: don't know. So we are feelings for that space for

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Speaker 2: us to do that investigation, so that as we come

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because and I appreciate that, I respect that you've

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Speaker 1: got to do your own investigations. I think what's very

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Speaker 1: clear here is that as the ANS Women's Leak, you

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Speaker 1: don't have these vehicles. In fact, my understanding is that

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Speaker 1: any organization that donates vehicles as a charitable as a

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Speaker 1: a smol Anana event where the cars are handed over

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Speaker 1: there are no cars registered under the ANS Women's Leak.

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Speaker 1: And yet the minister's response in Parliament says, and I

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Speaker 1: quote here, the vehicles were donated to the African National

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Speaker 1: Congress's Women's League and there was therefore no need to

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Speaker 1: I let you go? No, obtula, will there be accountability

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Speaker 1: here if you, as the ANC Women's Leak, through your investigation,

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Speaker 2: Yes, we we we have to we we we just

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Speaker 2: don't have a choice. We subscribe before and for the

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Speaker 1: Okay, to thank you so much for speaking to us.

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Speaker 1: Who's advising her? This woman has been in the papers,

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Speaker 1: that was also leaked to me about a week or

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Speaker 1: when action essays Darreline James sent an email to Talasha

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Speaker 1: But the ANC Women's League doesn't know anything about those vehicles,

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Speaker 1: guess what the Daily Maverick has found in their investigation.

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Speaker 1: They found that the two vehicles have actually been given

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Speaker 1: the daughter of the minister. They've been using these vehicles.

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Speaker 1: The same vehicles that the minister claims to Parliament were

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Speaker 1: So if they are donated to the ans Human's League,

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Speaker 1: the vehicles were changed to the names of the minister's children.

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Speaker 1: This is not the first time this woman gets into

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Speaker 1: Special adviser, Jako Cardler. She appointed. The minister knew that

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Speaker 1: her chief of staff didn't even qualify to be appointed

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Speaker 1: chief of staff. She's twenty two. She has a diploma

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Speaker 1: And what did those duties entail. They included distributing promotional

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Speaker 1: a salary of one point four million rand annually in

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Speaker 1: She didn't qualify to be the chief of staff. She

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Speaker 1: found that the Department of Social Development was wrong. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the Minister as well was wrong in allowing this woman

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Speaker 1: not all the drama that involves her. The President recently

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Speaker 1: just wrote her letter because she was about to appoint

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Speaker 1: an acting DG and the President was saying, but that's

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Speaker 1: actually a responsibility that falls within my ambit. But do

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Speaker 1: you think there's going to be accountability the Chief of Staff,

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Speaker 1: by the way, that twenty two year old has since

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Speaker 1: now there was drama around her the president. The minister

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Speaker 1: then blamed the DG and then suspended that DG. Do

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Speaker 1: you think there's gonna be accountability? Now she's lied to

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Speaker 1: ANC Women's leak. But will there be accountability? I bet

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Speaker 1: you she will still be minister in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of months. I'll eat my hat if she gets out

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Speaker 1: within a month. Watch it's nine thirty