1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Lunch with Pippa Hudson on Cape Talk. Join the conversation now. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: Choosing a track to open our first interview today was 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: kind of like asking a toddler to pick one suite 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: in a candy store. It's almost impossible, but in the end, 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: what could we do but go with the big intro. 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 3: Of the character we're interviewing Shore. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: It is one of the most iconic, I mean, there's 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: so many adjectives to use here, iconic, outrageous, enduring roles 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: in one of the most enduring cult musicals of all time. 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: And more than fifty years or round about fifty years 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: or so after it first thrilled audiences, The Rocky Horror 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: Show is heading back to Cape Town next week. 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: For a fresh run at Theater on the Bay. 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: Produced by Peter Churinn Productions in association with Lampter, this 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: promises all the over the top glam and glorious madness 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: that fans have come to expect from the show, and 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: at the center at all the unforgettable character of doctor Frankenfurter. 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: Stepping into those fishnets once again is Barney, who leads 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: very little introduction to our audiences. No stranger to the show, 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: to the theater, to the film world as well. But 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: you remember him from his breakout role in The Buddy 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: Holly Story. More recently artings in the Sound of Music 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 2: Chicago and My Fair Lady with an A Lady Award 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: in to congratulates, thank you, welcome back to studio. 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: Good to see you again. 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: I'm smiling because the last time you were here, you 27 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: were here is Henry Higgins. 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: I can't think of more different role. 29 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Well, they both speak very properly. 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: They speak very properly, and they both incredibly self possessed 31 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: and self important important. 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's fair enough. 33 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 4: I said, I was digging interview the other day and 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 4: I said, I saw a thing with Tim Curry where 35 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 4: he said how he stumbled onto the accent. He heard 36 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: a lady on a bus saying, do you have a 37 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: heights in the country or a high sent town and 38 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 4: he said he was. That's how he discovered how he 39 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 4: was going to play Frank Indfort. That's why he does 40 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,279 Speaker 4: ninety eight pines. 41 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: And all this sort of posh speaking. Fantastic. 42 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: I mean, Craig, I'm told this was actually one of 43 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: your very first theory to auditions and you didn't get 44 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: the pot back then story. 45 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 4: I went, well, I wasn't going for I was too young. 46 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 4: I was twenty. So I was going for Brad. And 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: I went in for Brad and it was Colin Law's production, 48 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: which was quite iconic in nineteen ninety two, and he said, no, 49 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: you can't sing it. Beat your hair and go to 50 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 4: the gym. We're gonna let you play Rocky. So I 51 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: was Rocky for for about a year and a bit. Actually, 52 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 4: I had bleached hair and painted on muscles and a 53 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 4: tiny gold yeah, very tiny gold shorts, and it sort 54 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: of launched me. But I remember in that in that 55 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 4: production watching Jeremy Crutchley play this part fantastic actor, and 56 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 4: I looked at him and I thought, one day I 57 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: have to I really want to play this gift of 58 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: a character. 59 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: Which which I then got to do in twenty nineteen. 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 4: So I've done. I've played Rocky, I played Brad, and 61 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: I got to do Frank. But I'm a little more 62 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 4: excited about about this version we do now. 63 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 3: Tell me why. What's what's difference. 64 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: It's I'm loving the fact that it's in an intimate theater. 65 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 4: Rocky ultimately is a very simple but beautiful story. It's 66 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 4: a play with some iconic rock songs, as you mentioned, 67 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 4: and it works well. If it's not Lost in a Space, 68 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 4: it works very well. Hey, that's a line from the 69 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 4: show Lost in Space. It works well if it's accessible, tangible, 70 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: because an audience is very much a character in this piece. 71 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 4: It's very much the audience are very much part of 72 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 4: it and part of that event that evening. So we 73 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 4: invite people to come and to get involved and to 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: let lousen to have fun and to but to listen 75 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 4: to the story and appreciate the story of this beautiful 76 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 4: story you know, of the Rocky Horror Show. 77 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: We talk about the story while we're talking about the 78 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: role of the audience. I mean this is from the 79 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: original theater production, which I mean nineteen seventy three. I 80 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: think it was that before I was born. And we're 81 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: still talking about it and showing it today and loving it. 82 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: I love that. 83 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: But over the generations it has developed that sort of 84 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: cult status. A part of the story and the magic 85 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: of Rocky Horror has been that some where somewhere in 86 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: the world, usually around how to Ween, there's an audience 87 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: participation screening of the film and people come and they 88 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: throw a toast at the screen and they dress up 89 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: and they know all the lines and they sing along. 90 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: We don't really want to see that every night. 91 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 4: Manage that and they have their own kind of shout 92 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 4: out scripture as well, you know, so people know. Look, 93 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 4: I mean, at the end of the day, you want 94 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: the power to say on stage, but you don't want 95 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 4: to You don't want to discourage involvement and celebration and 96 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 4: party and Rocky Horror fans to come and feel like 97 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 4: they can show that they are Rocky horror fans. Obviously, 98 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 4: you know, you want people to be intelligent about it. 99 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 4: And if one one group's enjoyment is taken away from 100 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 4: another group's ability to watch a show they paid money for, 101 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 4: obviously that becomes difficult. But people have always struck a 102 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: beautiful balance here in all the In all the versions 103 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 4: I've been in, there are the standard shoutouts that people 104 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: can't wait to get up and party with you at 105 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 4: the end. But South African audiences generally are pretty intelligent 106 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 4: and have got it together. They kind of they kind 107 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 4: of play along and serve the peace and serve the 108 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 4: evening and serve the event rather than. 109 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: Take away from it. 110 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm glad so encouraging that, and we in this 111 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: beautiful venue. It just I mean, I'm massive on the 112 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 4: stage in this in this theater, I feel huge, and 113 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 4: it's it's we were standing on the stage last night 114 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 4: and I just got this feeling. I just thought, this 115 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: is actually really and it's going to make it even 116 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 4: better as from my perspective. And if it's better from 117 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 4: my perspective, it's better in terms of what's coming across 118 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: the footlights. This version is going to be very powerful 119 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: in this space, very powerful. 120 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: The space is the theater on the Bay. 121 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: Jillian wants to let you know she thought Craig looked 122 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: fabulous and a gold nappy is rocky. 123 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: Thanks. Thanks, it was some time ago. 124 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: Love it, Gillian. Thanks for that. 125 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 1: Look. 126 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: It's possible. It's possible there are one. 127 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: Or two listeners out there who have never seen either 128 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: the player or the film before and don't know the story. 129 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: Do you want to quickly tell them what it's about. 130 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: It's about it an American and all American couple to 131 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 4: beautiful humans who get lost and looks seek help at 132 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: this sort of strange castle that they passed which and 133 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 4: then they're introduced to a lot of very interesting characters 134 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 4: who take them on this journey. We later discover they 135 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 4: are not of this earth. They are most of them 136 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 4: are from well, some of them are from Transylvania and 137 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 4: the from transsexual in the Galaxy of Transylvania, and they 138 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 4: are Their eyes are opened very dramatically and and very 139 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 4: extremely to sort of sexual awakening, awakening on many levels 140 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 4: and baptism by faire kind of thing. 141 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: And it's there's a. 142 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 4: Lot of humor and a lot of a lot of 143 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: the message of being expressive, being yourself, giving yourself over 144 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: the pleasure, not overthinking, going with what you feel. It's inclusive, 145 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: it's outrageous. And this couple is enlightened, awakened, corrupted, and 146 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: then the castle. 147 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: For ever altered, and the castle takes off at the. 148 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,119 Speaker 4: End, and and we left with the with yeah, as 149 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 4: we say, forever altered. Brandon Janet standing on stage looking 150 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 4: looking so much what just happened? 151 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: No, I mean, Frank conferred to is the central from 152 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: that all of us revolves around in his high heeled 153 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: fishnet titled Glory High. 154 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: Do you stand at the heels? Have you mentioned? 155 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm I'm of six nearly six three and 156 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 4: then I mean, they're not massive, but they do make 157 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 4: me feel very tall. 158 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: And and and and when I stand. 159 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 4: Next to everybody on stage, it's wonderful. But I'm but 160 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: I'm in the floor show. We're all in hills, so there. 161 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 4: But look, I mean, it's the costume is very much 162 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: a part of of of making the actor feel like 163 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 4: this character. 164 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: And I remember that from last time. 165 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 4: The makeup does it and when they got to the 166 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: because Tim Curry, who I always see Tim Curry in 167 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: my mind's eye when I'm playing this this I believe 168 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: his version was just iconic, and so I do try 169 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: paid tribute to that, while inevitably bringing a little bit 170 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: of Craiger Barney to it. But I see and I 171 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 4: hear Tim in my mind's eye the whole time. And 172 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: I hope that I will have moments that remind the 173 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: audience of him. That is my mission. But he was 174 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 4: so powerful in the mouth area, his lips in his 175 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 4: mouth and his teeth, so that I sort of feel 176 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: that the makeup helps with that. But when you put 177 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: that corset on the heels, and it's quite empowering, and 178 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: it helps to make whichever actor is playing this party 179 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: in this case in me feel very much like like 180 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: you're stepping into the shoes of something massive, something iconic, 181 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 4: something special, something delicious. 182 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's interesting that you mentioned Tim Curry's 183 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: mouthwork because I was watching a couple of clips this 184 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: morning and trying to decide which song to play, et cetera. 185 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: And it's so noticeable when you watch it now, it's 186 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: a little twitch to the side or it smirked. So 187 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: much is conveyed, but just one little muscle moving in 188 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: that mouth, and you can't look away. As you said, 189 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: you've got to bring thing of yourself to the role. 190 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: But this is a role that, in so many people's 191 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: mind is owned by the vision of Tim Curry. I mean, 192 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: I love that you say you want people to still 193 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: see that and have that paid tribute to. But let's 194 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: talk about Frank Conferter, the character away from Frank Confurter 195 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: as played by Craig or Tim or anyone else. What 196 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: is it about this character that that that that people 197 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: and I say people, because it's men and women are 198 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 2: drawn to and that's I mean, half the stick of 199 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: the show is that women love him and then men 200 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: find themselves loving him. 201 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 4: You're a little bit uncomfortable sure to make that I've 202 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: never really felt like this before. Yes, I mean, I mean, look, 203 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 4: they they say that's the key, and Richard O'Brien even 204 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 4: said that, he said, the key is that the women 205 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: must want him and the men must kind of be 206 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: a banancuftle because they kind of do too. And I 207 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 4: think the strength and the power lies in his unpredictability. 208 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: You know, he can be demure and and sort of 209 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 4: very camp and light one second, and then he can 210 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 4: become very earthed, very guttural, very very villainous the next thing. 211 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 4: He can be a demure that he can be aggressive. 212 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: That he can and you never you never know what 213 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: to expect from him, but it's all got to be done. 214 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 4: When the balance is done correctly, you kind of get 215 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 4: this this quite unpredictable, sexy package of of of of 216 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 4: monster and it's it's it's appealing and uh and and 217 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: because of how he looks, and because of what he's wearing, 218 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 4: and because of these incredible songs, and also I believe 219 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 4: Tim Curry put it in a very sort of his 220 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 4: voice was kind of very guttural and and in the 221 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 4: back of the throat, and it really suits an actor 222 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 4: with a range like mine. I'm a baritone performer, so 223 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 4: it really sits in a beautiful and and and I 224 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 4: think the mistake that people can make is that you 225 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 4: play him like a drag queen. 226 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: He's not. 227 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 4: He has to have moments of ugh, of that menace 228 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 4: and that sexuality, and that doesn't just come from being 229 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: sort of light and camp and and and cheeky. 230 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: You need something else. 231 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 4: There has to be another element to this character, which 232 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 4: I mean how I've been doing it in my head 233 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 4: since I was twenty two, since I stood there on 234 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: that stage, and when we did it before the director said. 235 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: No, no, you've got to handle on this. 236 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 4: And our director Stephen Stead now who's now my third production, 237 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 4: on a chart with him and I trust him, implicitly 238 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: said to me, this is in your bones, This is 239 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: really in your bones. Just go with your instincts and 240 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 4: trust it because you clearly have thought about this. 241 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: A lot a long long time. 242 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, for a long time. 243 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Just for anybody coming in. Halfway through this conversation, 244 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 2: we're in conversation with Craig Obarney, who's playing Frankenfurter in 245 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: the new production of Rocky Horror at the Theater on 246 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: the Bay. Opening night is Tuesday next week, and if 247 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: you keep listening after one p thirty, I'm going to 248 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: give one of you four tickets to go and be 249 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 2: in the audience on opening night when we play our 250 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: Sound Real Challenge. But we are talking about the show. 251 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: We're talking about the character. If you want to talk 252 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: about memorable productions you have seen or asked Craig a question, 253 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: you're welcome to send a WhatsApp on seven two five 254 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: six seven one five six seven. Interestingly, two people ask 255 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: you the same thing. How long does the makeup take 256 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: to get you ready to go? Yeah? 257 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: I mean I had someone doing it for me last time. 258 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: This time I'm told I'm left to my own devices, 259 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 4: but I'm trying to rope people in. I think I 260 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: think you you're looking at a good half an hour 261 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 4: just to get it all one hundred percent. 262 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's it's. 263 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: So it's so integral in terms of making me feel 264 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 4: like I'm ready to go out there. So, but it's 265 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 4: as soon as they get to those to those lips. 266 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 4: Then the makeup artists last time said to me, you, Craig, 267 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 4: the whole time I'm doing your makeup, your Craig. Until 268 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 4: you look in the mirror and you see and I've 269 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 4: done your mouth, she said, and then you just you. 270 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: Just be you just you just become different. 271 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: And and that's and that's because I kind of see, 272 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 4: I'm seeing what I would want to see if I 273 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: was in the audience. That's that's what my portrayal is. 274 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 4: I want to I want if I was in the audience, 275 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: I would want to see Tim curryisms from whoever was 276 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: playing it. And I've seen a few people plad. I 277 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 4: saw Jason Donovan do it, Jonathan Wilke Steward, I saw 278 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 4: Anthony Head do it. And then I saw our guys 279 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 4: in memory, Tim, Jeremy Crutchley, David Dennis here. 280 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: Forgetting Brendan. 281 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 4: I've been talking to him about about corsets and hills, 282 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: and who better to speak to them Brendan van Rain 283 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 4: to ask advice on corsets and hills. And I loved Brendan. 284 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 4: And you see that Brendan did it differently. Brendan did 285 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: Brendan he was doing less of that. He wasn't going 286 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: for a for a sort of Tim Curry emulation. 287 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that wrong? I don't know. Obviously, 288 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: it had merit, he was fantastic. 289 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 4: I can't. It was like when I played Danny in Greece. 290 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 4: I couldn't play Danny without thinking of John Travolta. I 291 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: can't play doctor Frankenfurter I thinking of Tim Curry. 292 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: I think, and I think audiences are going to love 293 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: that because comes with that preconception in their head, whether 294 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: you want it or not, even if you're going, you know, 295 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: set aside the movie and see this production for this 296 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: production sake, that baggage comes with you, that happy baggage. 297 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: So I love that you're doing that. 298 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: Now. I mean, let's talk about the fact that this 299 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: is a co production with LAMBTA amazingly telling and students 300 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: who are doing great things in so many productions all 301 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: over the country. But I'm aware of the fact that 302 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: the students who are playing in this in this production 303 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: would not have been born when Rocky Horrac came out. 304 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: I wasn't even born when Rocky Horrack came out. 305 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: And I'm getting on. 306 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: What's it like watching a young generation explore this material 307 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: for the first time. 308 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: It's it's it's amazing. And I love what you say 309 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 4: about these lamp To students. They've they've literally transformed the 310 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 4: industry in this in this country. 311 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Since since COVID. I've done I've done it. 312 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: We all Rocky Sun and Music, Mica Lady, and they've 313 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: all had a lot of lamp to students in it 314 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: because that's when they really the wheels really started turning there. 315 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 4: And I really believe they have upped the standard of 316 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: every musical we do in this country because if you 317 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: have them in the ensemble, you have honed specialized talents 318 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: with the fantastic head on their shoulders way beyond their years. 319 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 4: They know how to conduct themselves, they know how to 320 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: be on stage, and they know how to be around. 321 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 4: They professional, They're consistent and they and they and they 322 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 4: specialize at their craft and it's wonderful. Having said that, 323 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 4: Rocky Horror, Yes, I have some very young cast members 324 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: there who who we are in loving, corrupting and teaching about. 325 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: This incredible piece. 326 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 4: And of course they've all done their homework because that's 327 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 4: how they built and they love it and they really 328 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 4: shit and they they it's something that some of them 329 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: have always envisaged being in at some stage of their 330 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 4: of their careers and they and they're happy that it 331 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 4: came earlier than they anticipated, and they and they loving 332 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 4: and having a ball, and Dwayne Alexander, who's doing the 333 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 4: choreography again, makes every production a production number. There's you know, 334 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 4: last time, I felt like some of the numbers were 335 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 4: fillers because Frank was changing or putting on another pair 336 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 4: of gloves or you know, getting out of this course. 337 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: Sitting into every production, It's almost like everything ups and 338 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: ups and ups and ups. By the end of Act one, 339 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: which is a series of all those famous songs, Act 340 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 4: one is time Warp, Sweet Transfer, Start, I Can Make 341 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 4: You a Man, Hot, Petuity, Brandon Janet's song Damage Janet 342 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 4: over at the Frankenstein Place. 343 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean it just one after the other. 344 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 4: And these these youngsters are how ensemble the power coming 345 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 4: off that stage again, assisted by the fact that we're 346 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: an intimate venue, It's going to be something that maybe 347 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: we haven't seen in other versions of Rock You Era. 348 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: Okay, Keith says the first time he saught was watching 349 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: Tim Curry in the movie, and I think for many 350 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: people that will be true. You know, as much as 351 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: the theater piece came out first, it was the movie 352 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: that catapulted it out of niche art asks sort. 353 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: Of theaters into global fame. 354 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: So Keith, you won't be alone in that, and you're 355 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: not alone and that that's that's how I first encountered Rocky. 356 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: It was at a varsity party, you know, in nineteen 357 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: ninety something, watching the movie and looking at this and thinking. 358 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: What on earth is this? What am I looking at alone? 359 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: You know? 360 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 3: Is that Susan surrender? 361 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: That wonderful? 362 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: She was delightful, fantastic, And I mean, yeah, but again, 363 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: I love the fact that you are sort of giving 364 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: a nod to that version of the piece which so 365 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: many people love and have such treasured memories of. Okay, 366 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: So just to wrap up with some of the logistics. Firstly, 367 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: the run starts Tuesday, the seventh of April. You've got 368 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: a nice long stretch right at the end of May, right. 369 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: Yes, we got to We've got to. 370 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 4: We're here till the end of May, and then we 371 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: go to Joeburg, and then we're coming back because because 372 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 4: we believe and I mean, I'm ninety nine point nine 373 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 4: percent sure it's going to people are going to be 374 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 4: clamoring to get tickets and it's going to sell out quickly, 375 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 4: and we're going to come back for another season. Which 376 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 4: will which I'm sure will be much the same, and 377 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 4: after after Joeburg. But yeah, we're certainly here in Cape Town. 378 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 4: Tickets available on web tickets. We start TUESDA at the seventh, 379 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 4: and we're here until the end of May. 380 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 3: Okay. 381 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 2: And the other thing to tell you is that you 382 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: book those tickets on web tickets or at the theater 383 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: on the Bay box office, or you stay tuned to 384 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: Cape Talk to win a few in just a few 385 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: minutes time. 386 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: Last thing to mention, there is an age restriction of PG. Sixteen. 387 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: That's just due to the nature of the content. 388 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, I think it's I think it's unless 389 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: you have theater children, one must be careful too. 390 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: Much exploring you want your thirteen year old to do 391 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 2: in this kind of context. 392 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: So PG. 393 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 2: Sixteen just just do bear that in mind if you 394 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: booking for the whole family to go together, which is 395 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: exactly what we are going to do. 396 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 3: So looking forward to it, and Craig and. 397 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 4: I'm going to have I'm going to be there for 398 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: pictures afterwards. And we've got little party packs in the 399 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 4: for you that we're giving to the people succumb It's 400 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 4: going to be a night out of the theater. 401 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: You won't forget. 402 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: It's going to be amazing, Craig I Varney can't wait 403 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: to see you as Frank Conferreter. 404 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for popping into freezer of a studio. 405 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: I haven't given you the flu before opening night, hope 406 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: just drinks, but all the best to you and lots 407 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: of listeners very excited you are going to be booking 408 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 2: their tickets I hope immediately on web tickets.