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Speaker 1: Very good morning to you and welcome to CAPE Talk.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, dame. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: At the age of sixty seven. First of all, let's

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Speaker 2: It's doctor, doctor Smith, and I am a research psychologist

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Speaker 2: and my work is mainly in pschiache and research in schizophrenia.

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Speaker 1: At the age of six, at the age of sixty seven, doctor,

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Speaker 2: It's been the most fulfilling journey of my life. I

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Speaker 2: was just a learning curve experience that gaining knowledge, empowerment

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Speaker 1: Us back to the beginning of this journey. Where did

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety six, I joined the university Department of

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Speaker 2: that was my chance. Now now I can I can

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Speaker 2: You never told If you're healthy and you've got opportunities

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Speaker 1: the journey. I was probably in teaching for what was

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Speaker 1: it about five six years, but I would say five

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Speaker 1: years actually, and then I started this journey of study

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Speaker 1: at the University of the Western Cape, which took me, Mike,

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Speaker 1: over a period of eight years to get to where

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be to be a graduate, but then

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Speaker 1: also to be a postgraduate. I know that that. For instance,

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Speaker 1: my daughter in New Zealand took a journey of five

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Speaker 1: ballet dancer and to do her teaching diploma. So it's

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Speaker 1: whenever you look at studies, you need to look at

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Speaker 1: the end goal. You don't need to look at you

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Speaker 1: know how quick you're going to do it. You need

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Speaker 1: to look at where you want to be and where

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Speaker 1: you want to study and where you eventually want yourself

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Speaker 1: to be. And if you've taken that journey, if you've

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Speaker 1: done something with that kind of resilience in you, if

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Speaker 1: you've taken that journey with you know, the lifelong learning

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Speaker 1: that you say to yourself, I'm going to do this,

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Speaker 1: and you've achieved that. We'd love to hear from you.