1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Seven or two interview with Start. I'm asking a very 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: simple question this morning. Are we at the edge of 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: a precipice or have we fallen over the clip? What's 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: the most amount of money? It's the largest sum of 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: money you have lost. Imagine being unable to explain six 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty six million Rand in public funds. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: These are money set aside for bursaries, internships, work related work, 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: integrated learning and skills training. All of it puff gone 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: from the Education Training and Development Practices sector, Education Training Authority, 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: the et DP seater. I'm joined now by the Chairperson 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: of the Portfolio Committee on Higher Education in Parliament, Debujo 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: Lizzie A very good morning to you and thank you 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: for your time. 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, BBL. I hope my life is 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: better now and good morning to the listeners. 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: No invoices, no paperwork, no proof. The order to General 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: saying this money by the theater cannot be explained, It 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: cannot be verified. What do we think has happened to it? 19 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: Well, maybe let's go back a little bit. So the 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: age met it as last year and twenty twenty five. Yeah, 21 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: and he said and said to us, look, I've just 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: finished the audit process, and there's this irregular the amount 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: of six hundred and tenty seven million from it TDP, 24 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: which I want you guys to prop and I scheduled 25 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: this meeting for the twenty ninth of October twenty twenty five, 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: but members of the Portfolio Committee felt that they wanted 27 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: to have Minister Bunting mander Man appeared before the committee 28 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: to explain how is he a enter too? The CEO, 29 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: so I felt that it is important for me to 30 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: craify that this is modern new matters, a matter that 31 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: we attempted to get into in twenty twenty five, but 32 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: so for Demcrats then we had to move with a site. 33 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: So it was already reported to us last year. So currently, 34 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: to answer your question, it's a we don't know whether 35 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: there was no invoice. There was no, but the Inser 36 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: General indicated that there was an irregular wastefully expenditure on 37 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: this thing. So we will be sitting with the ITHDP 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: in the next time to get you know, the bottom 39 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: of this thing. So it's not necessarily true that there's 40 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: no invoice. Irregular expenditure, as you may know, it's an 41 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 2: accounting term that says and what how you spend the 42 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: money may not have been in the best in quest 43 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: of the city, but it does not necessarily mean that 44 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: you don't know where the money went, you know, so 45 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: so I felt them. I just also clarify that. But 46 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: we all we really do want to get to the 47 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: bottom of this. Who will get to the bottom of 48 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: this in the next term which begins on the twenty 49 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: first of April. Once Parliament has given us and you know, 50 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: the program of the of the second term, then will 51 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: be able to plug in our program and then will 52 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: make it the public When are we meeting with this 53 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: particular but we really did meet them in April and 54 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: then get to the bottom of this particular problem. 55 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: The unaccounted expenditure and irregularities, of course, happened under the 56 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: then Chief Financial Officer who is now acting CEO. And 57 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: so you've mentioned in your first response there that even 58 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: the appointment of Nogo Khanya Mafasa has been clouded at 59 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: least with some questions. 60 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: Now a suddenly it was the eight eight also of 61 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: other sitters were appointed permanent, so she's eighteen CEO substantive 62 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: position is an CFO and then so there's no management, 63 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: I mean the CEO PUMPT approved this amount anyway, So 64 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: it means when we made with the GDP, remain need 65 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: to invite the previous board because such amounts are only 66 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: approved at the board level. So it might need to 67 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: bring in the previous board, the previous CEO and indeed 68 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: the head management that the tablet would improve the agency 69 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: or now who's the CFO. So it's not my family 70 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: or the AGENCYEO who may have approved this thing, but 71 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: because of the amount of manage, so it might very 72 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 2: well mean that it was the boat that approved this thing, 73 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 2: and we will need to get them to come before 74 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: Parliament and not justly. If we do our job well 75 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: and we'll find who exactly but the sitter this much, 76 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: then will hold them a comfortable proper right. 77 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: Some more questions to be answered around that appreciates your time. 78 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: De beaujo Lyzia is the chairperson of the Higher Education 79 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: Portfolio Committee in Parliament.