WEBVTT - The UK Report with Gavin Grey

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<v Speaker 1>All right, it is time for the UK Report, Gavin

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<v Speaker 1>Gray waiting to bring us the latest news from the

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<v Speaker 1>UK and Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Morning Gigi, Good morning, Sja. How are you this morning?

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<v Speaker 1>Very very good, very very good. Indeed, okay, let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with your top story. And following a warrant issued by

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<v Speaker 1>the ICC, the International Criminal Court, of course, a man

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<v Speaker 1>from Libya who is suspected of committing war crimes and

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<v Speaker 1>crimes against humanity has been arrested in Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right. So the name of the man is

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<v Speaker 2>Khaled Mohammad Ali l excuse me, Hisshiri, and he's commonly

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<v Speaker 2>known as Albuti. But he was alleged to have been

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<v Speaker 2>a senior official at a prison complex in Tripoli, Libya,

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<v Speaker 2>where thousands of people were detained, and while there, he's

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<v Speaker 2>suspected of having committed or ordered or overseen crimes including murder,

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<v Speaker 2>torture and rape over a five year period from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>to fifteen, and there is no record of him commenting

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<v Speaker 2>on these alleg So eleven arrest warrants have been issued

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<v Speaker 2>by the ICC in connection with alleged war crimes and

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<v Speaker 2>crimes against humanity committed in Libya since the killing of

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<v Speaker 2>Muhma Gadaffi, the long term leader there of course, plunging

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<v Speaker 2>Libya into civil war, and since the overthrow are there

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<v Speaker 2>with Gadaffi in power for six years, six decades. Rather,

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<v Speaker 2>Libya split into areas controlled by different militias and is

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<v Speaker 2>currently divided by two rival governments. And the accused Hashiri

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<v Speaker 2>is part of the Special Deterrence Force aligned to the

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<v Speaker 2>Interior Ministry of the internationally recognized government, So he is

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<v Speaker 2>part of the international recognized government and therefore this arrest

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<v Speaker 2>warrant is extremely of interest. But certainly what goes on

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<v Speaker 2>in this jail, what goes on in this prison complex,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds to be very very unpleasant. Indeed, I suppose we

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be surprised about that. The country is in a

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<v Speaker 2>massive state of flux, and it looks like he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to remain in detention until arrangements are made for him

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<v Speaker 2>to be surrendered into the custody of the International Criminal

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<v Speaker 2>Cord and then extradited to face justice in the Hague.

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<v Speaker 2>I dare say it'll make fascinating reading but also deeply

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<v Speaker 2>unpleasant reading at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, the Ministry of Defense, British Ministry of Defense

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<v Speaker 1>isn't expected to give any compensation to some thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>Afghans whose personal details were leaked. Just give us the

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<v Speaker 1>background to this.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been dominating the news agenda, not just in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK but across Europe. In a data leak by

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<v Speaker 2>one unnamed official from the Ministry of Defense who has

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<v Speaker 2>probably made the most costly mistake in terms of email

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<v Speaker 2>leaks of all time, he thought he or she thought

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<v Speaker 2>they were sending about one hundred and fifty lines of

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<v Speaker 2>data about people who were in Afghanistan who had said

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<v Speaker 2>that they had helped British forces in Afghanistan during the

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<v Speaker 2>war there and were now trying to get to the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>saying they were in fear of their life. However, instead

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<v Speaker 2>of sending just a few dozen lines, he accidentally sent

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<v Speaker 2>several thousand lines of data and information, and it included

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<v Speaker 2>the names and addresses of those Afghans who were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to claim asylum who now fear, of course that they

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<v Speaker 2>will be killed by the Taliban for colluding with these

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<v Speaker 2>allied forces. Many were translators, many had helped the British

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<v Speaker 2>forces in their battle of course against the Taliban, but

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<v Speaker 2>also had we then discovered a couple of days later

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<v Speaker 2>released information about Security Service personnel, the identity and their

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<v Speaker 2>names some of the most carefully protected identify tease here

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK, and had also given out the names

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<v Speaker 2>and addresses of some of those in the SAS, again

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<v Speaker 2>another highly secretive organization. So then we learn that now

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<v Speaker 2>the government is ruling out here payments to those whose

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<v Speaker 2>lives might have been put in danger by this leak,

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<v Speaker 2>but have not received any help coming to the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>So a real mess here. It's estimated to possibly have

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<v Speaker 2>caused twenty billion South African randsworth of legal suits in this.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know who the person is we leaked it.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know if they are still in a job

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<v Speaker 2>or not. Either way, this has shown absolute incompetence at

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<v Speaker 2>the top level. I'm afraid of the Ministry of Defense

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<v Speaker 2>and it's made some very very depressing headlines this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up put a prison in North London, Pentonville Prison,

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<v Speaker 1>which allegedly held some prisoners for longer than their release

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<v Speaker 1>release date had stipulated and was found to be cockroach infested,

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<v Speaker 1>has been put into special measures. I know what that

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<v Speaker 1>means when it comes to kind of ofsted and schools.

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<v Speaker 1>What does it mean from a prison perspective. Gg.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, The Minister for Prisons will now set up a

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<v Speaker 2>team to work urgently on the concerns addressed. Pentonville Prison

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<v Speaker 2>in North London, Islington is one of the most the oldest,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the oldest prisons that we operate here in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK. It is therefore some would argue, not fit

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<v Speaker 2>for purpose and despite investment, needs really radical overhor to

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<v Speaker 2>bring it up to date, because of course the standards

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<v Speaker 2>we used to keep prisoners in is no longer the

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<v Speaker 2>standards deemed to be acceptable for today's prisoners. But worse

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps than that, the data showed that one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty inmates have been held beyond their release date in

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<v Speaker 2>the past six months. Why well, because the release dates

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<v Speaker 2>have not been calculated properly. And you might say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean. Surely the judge says ten months.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ten months, but of course for good behavior for

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<v Speaker 2>other types taking part in learning courses, instruction courses, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get them a job afterwards, it makes that calculation

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more difficult. But not only have some been

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<v Speaker 2>held longer than they should have done, about one in

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<v Speaker 2>five held longer than they should have been in the

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<v Speaker 2>last six months, but also some have been released earlier

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<v Speaker 2>sj than they should have been as well. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Minister for Prisons, Lord Timpson, who runs a company basically

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<v Speaker 2>copying up keys, and he's a big voice in the

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<v Speaker 2>industry for employing former prisoners and trying to get them

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<v Speaker 2>reintegrated in society. He's the minister in charge. I think

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<v Speaker 2>many people think this is exactly his role in life

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<v Speaker 2>that he should be. And there he is discovering that

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<v Speaker 2>some prisons have been kept longer, some prisoners haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>kept as long as they should have done, and described

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<v Speaker 2>the state of the prisons from this watchdog report as

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<v Speaker 2>really pretty awful, so frightening conditions and of course let's

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<v Speaker 2>not forget in all countries when prisoners live in these

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<v Speaker 2>terrible conditions and feel bad, they often take that anger

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<v Speaker 2>out on prison staff. So something they're desperately looking into

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<v Speaker 2>here in London.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, and something that's likely to put a smile

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<v Speaker 1>on the face of the British taxpayer, well say, a

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<v Speaker 1>smile on the face. The UK government spent nearly a

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<v Speaker 1>third less on hotels to house asylum seekers in the

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<v Speaker 1>year up to last March.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes several more hundred arriving yesterday, We've had this extended

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<v Speaker 2>fine weather and another several hundred arriving and it just

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't stop across on the small boats. And that's, as

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<v Speaker 2>I've reported before, led to all sorts of concerns about

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<v Speaker 2>the infrastructure able to cope here in the UK. But

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<v Speaker 2>whoever thought about putting them up in hotels, Well it

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<v Speaker 2>has been incredibly expensive. The number of people now in

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<v Speaker 2>hotels they're the ones coming across in small boats illegally,

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<v Speaker 2>was thirty two thousand, three hundred. It's now below thirty thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>so some interest, some improvement in the last six months,

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<v Speaker 2>but not massive amount. But they're also as well finally

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<v Speaker 2>getting room sharing underway. I mean, can you believe some

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<v Speaker 2>migrants were just given a wonderful room on their own

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<v Speaker 2>And we often are talking, you know, quite nice hotels,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean hotels that would be beyond my price bracket.

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<v Speaker 2>You think, you know, and you think, wow, what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on here? Anyway? The average cost is now about one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and ten million South African rand aer day, but

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<v Speaker 2>that has gone significantly on what it was, which had

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<v Speaker 2>been roughly one hundred and seventy five million South African

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<v Speaker 2>rand per day the previous year. The sad thing about

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<v Speaker 2>is ESJY is not just the money. The sad thing

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<v Speaker 2>is not just the fact that I think many migrants say, oh, hotel,

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<v Speaker 2>free food, a living allowance. It makes it more attractive

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<v Speaker 2>for them to come over. The really sad thing is

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<v Speaker 2>this money is coming out of our international aid budget,

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<v Speaker 2>aid that would have gone to good causes, starving people

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<v Speaker 2>in Africa and around the world, and sadly that is

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<v Speaker 2>not now happening as much as it was because we're

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<v Speaker 2>paying for people coming across illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>The government is also planning to lower the voting age,

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<v Speaker 1>which currently stands at eighteen. If I'm not wrong, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember being able to vote from the age of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK. Sixteen and seventeen year olds in the

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<v Speaker 1>UK would also be able to vote if these plans

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<v Speaker 1>are given the green light.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, and I think they will be given the green light.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a government plan and the government has a big majority,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can see happening in term for the next

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<v Speaker 2>general election and another three bit years on. And what

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<v Speaker 2>does it mean. Well, here in the UK it had

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<v Speaker 2>been eighteen years old to vote. However, you can get

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<v Speaker 2>a job at sixteen, You can therefore pay taxes, You

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<v Speaker 2>can join the army at sixteen. Eighteen is our minimum

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<v Speaker 2>age for voting at the moment. Eighteen is our minimum

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<v Speaker 2>age for getting married, drinking alcohol, and standing as a

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<v Speaker 2>member of parliament. So by reducing the age of voting

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<v Speaker 2>to sixteen, we'll have people voting for something that they

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<v Speaker 2>actually can't take part in themselves, if you like, but

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<v Speaker 2>because they're too young to be somebody to be elected.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think there's a little bit of muddle thinking here.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, SJ, there's a great deal of fears of skullduggery,

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<v Speaker 2>shall I say, because younger people in this country tend

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<v Speaker 2>to vote left of center. A what is the nature

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<v Speaker 2>of our government car currently left of center? And therefore

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of people beginning to think, hmmm, is this a

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<v Speaker 2>little way in which they're hoping, perhaps to spend longer

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<v Speaker 2>in government than they might ordinarily be allowed to a

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen and seventeen year olds only make up three percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the population, SJ. But you know, this could have

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<v Speaker 2>a reasonable vote share in some areas where there's a

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<v Speaker 2>very tight margin of majority. So let's see what happens

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<v Speaker 2>if it goes through. There's certainly a bit of opposition,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time many people think, no, they're sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>they're young adults, they should be allowed to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an interesting one for me as somebody, as a

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<v Speaker 1>person who grew up in the UK. I've never thought

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe this has changed. I haven't lived there for

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years. But more I'd never have thought of UK

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<v Speaker 1>youth as being particularly politicized. And I think that's because

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<v Speaker 1>when I then came back to South Africa, our youth

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<v Speaker 1>is very politicized for very obvious reasons, comparatively very politicized.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can't I don't know. I mean, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting and as you say, given where the current government

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<v Speaker 1>sits politically, yes, maybe there is a reason why they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to bring this in. But yeah, I'm just not

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I can't envisage that there's a large group

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<v Speaker 1>of young people champing at the bit for this to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've just never viewed that the UK youth is

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<v Speaker 1>being politicized, and honestly, I don't think they've had to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the way that youth and other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world are now in very good Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>fair enough. Felix Baumgartner. That is a name that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Tell me about him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you would remember somebody who once broke

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<v Speaker 2>the world record for the highest skydive. He jumped in

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of webbed suit from the edge of space, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he did that. He's done some extraordinary stunsing flying

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<v Speaker 2>across the English Channel with an oxygen tank strapped to

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<v Speaker 2>his back and a parachute for landing. That was back

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and three. In twenty twelve, he broke

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<v Speaker 2>the world record and the sound barrier for the highest

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<v Speaker 2>ever sky dive, jumping from a balloon thirty nine kilometers

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<v Speaker 2>in the stratosphere. And he was known as a real daredevil.

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<v Speaker 2>But sadly, the fifty six year old has now died.

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<v Speaker 2>He fell to the ground near the swimming pool of

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<v Speaker 2>a hotel while flying over a village, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>in Italy, and the reports immediately suggest actually this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a stunt that's gone wrong. He actually may have suffered

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<v Speaker 2>a medical issue mid air, and that's why he died.

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<v Speaker 2>The extreme sportsman, known as Fearless Felix for his adventurous stunts,

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<v Speaker 2>has done all sorts in the same years at the

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<v Speaker 2>world record for the highest parachute jump when he launched

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<v Speaker 2>himself from those famous petronous towers in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia.

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<v Speaker 2>Did all sorts of amazing things, some of them I

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<v Speaker 2>frankly don't fancy at all, including one of the world's

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<v Speaker 2>lowest base jumps from the hand of Rio de Janeiro's

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<v Speaker 2>Christ the Redeemer statue just ninety eight feet. Launching yourself

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<v Speaker 2>from that I wouldn't fancy. But anyway, Yes, sad that

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<v Speaker 2>he's died, no doubt. More details about why he died,

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<v Speaker 2>but talk of a medical issue mid air.

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<v Speaker 1>How terribly sad he I'm just reading here he broke

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<v Speaker 1>the world record for the highest sky dive by jumping

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<v Speaker 1>from the edge of space, jumping from a balloon more

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<v Speaker 1>than thirty nine kilometers in the stratosphere. That can't be right,

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<v Speaker 1>can it, Kevin?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yes, I remember I was actually live reporting for

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<v Speaker 2>the BBC and we delayed the feed by seven seconds. No,

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<v Speaker 2>in case it all went very wrong. No really, Yes, yes, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Jumped nine kilometers in the air.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he took this huge balloon. I mean we're not

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<v Speaker 2>talking an ordinary balloon, talking you know, right to the

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<v Speaker 2>edge of space where he would have struggled to breed.

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<v Speaker 2>He couldn't breathe, so he had this massive thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course the speed he picked up when he threw

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<v Speaker 2>himself out and by the time he got back down

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<v Speaker 2>towards the Earth service amazing. I mean, it was an

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<v Speaker 2>amazingly dramatic stump. Many people thought it was just a

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<v Speaker 2>suicide mission, but no, he was. He was successful.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to I need to look up more of

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<v Speaker 1>that when we come off there. That has blown my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even think that was going to be possible.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally, the operators of one of Europe's most

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<v Speaker 1>famous outdoor bathing ponds, I don't know what that is

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<v Speaker 1>a facing court action over allowing trans swimmers into the

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<v Speaker 1>lady section. First off, what's a bathing pond? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>like a lido?

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<v Speaker 2>Well it sort of isn't It isn't so. In Hampstead

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<v Speaker 2>Heath in North London there are a selection of water ponds,

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<v Speaker 2>so ponds, not swimming pools, but they allow swimming in them,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of freestyle swimming, a wild water swimming. As of course,

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<v Speaker 2>they monitor the quality of the water very carefully. It

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<v Speaker 2>is split into a lady's pond, a men's pond, and

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of kids play you know area, and a

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<v Speaker 2>mixed one. However, a group calling Sex Matters, they say

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<v Speaker 2>they're a human rights charity, are now saying they will

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<v Speaker 2>take legal action against the owners, the operators of this

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<v Speaker 2>pond that's the City of London corporation or the council

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<v Speaker 2>over their stants because they are saying anyone who identifies

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<v Speaker 2>as a woman can swim in the ladies pond. That's

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<v Speaker 2>been their guidance since twenty nineteen. However, earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court in the UK ruled that actually they

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<v Speaker 2>said a legal definition of a woman should be based

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<v Speaker 2>on their sex at birth, and of course that's different

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<v Speaker 2>from you know, thinking you identifying as a woman. So

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<v Speaker 2>this group, this pressure group, is saying, look, we are

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<v Speaker 2>swimming in these waters and we don't think that these

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<v Speaker 2>transgender bases should be allowed in and equally legally, I

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<v Speaker 2>think now they shouldn't be allowed in because of that

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<v Speaker 2>legal ruling. So they are saying, right, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>prosecute the operators. They're saying fifty pounds, what's that? A

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<v Speaker 2>million South African around They're going for and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>force the counsel into change in their hands. It's certainly

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<v Speaker 2>something which has been extremely hotly debated in this country

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<v Speaker 2>over toilet use as well, of course being another thing,

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<v Speaker 2>public toilet use being something that many women in particular

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<v Speaker 2>feel very angry that transgender people are allowed to use

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<v Speaker 2>their toilets. Transgender people very angry that they are being

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<v Speaker 2>They feel they're being excluded from both the men's and

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<v Speaker 2>the women So it is a very very good talking

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<v Speaker 2>point and one that's drawn a lot of problems for

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<v Speaker 2>politicians here in the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much I want to say on this. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, the fact that there's even a men's swimming

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<v Speaker 1>pond and a women's swimming pond is ridiculous and bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine if every single swimming bath or lido or tidal

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<v Speaker 1>pool in the world you had to have a men's

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<v Speaker 1>one and a women's one. The world's gone mad. Just

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<v Speaker 1>have one.

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<v Speaker 2>Just get people.

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<v Speaker 1>People are so obsessed with sex and weird stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>they need to not be obsessed with that they get

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<v Speaker 1>their knickers in a twist and to this lady's group,

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<v Speaker 1>get a life. It may in what world are you

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<v Speaker 1>worrying about who's getting into a pool to swim lengths,

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<v Speaker 1>and this argument that people use of, Oh but men

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<v Speaker 1>are trying, men are trying to access our spaces to

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<v Speaker 1>come and attack us. They're not doing that. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening. That the instances of trans people using their

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<v Speaker 1>trans status to go and sexually assault or in other

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<v Speaker 1>way harm the people, It's not happening. It's a total

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<v Speaker 1>figment of your imagination. Be more worried about men who

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<v Speaker 1>are attacking you than trans people minding their own business

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<v Speaker 1>and going for a swim. Or I've got on my

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<v Speaker 1>high horse there, Gavin. But it does my head in, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it does my head in. Get a life, do something,

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<v Speaker 1>Go and go and plant some daffodils in Hampstead Heath.

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<v Speaker 1>And on that frantic note, we're gonna leave it there.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you very much. Indeed, we'll chat you again

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<v Speaker 1>next week