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Speaker 1: Eight minutes after nine o'clock. Do you Mila. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Clement Manya Tela Show on this eleventh day of March.

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Speaker 1: It's great too heavy with us here on seven oh two.

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Speaker 1: I hope you are well this morning. We start the

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Speaker 1: oh two one seven two. Hello. If you're watching us

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Speaker 1: well on our YouTube if you're watching and listening to

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Speaker 1: oh two YouTube page. So here's a question. Should the

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Speaker 1: US Ambassador to South Africa, Leo Bosel the third be

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Speaker 1: expelled and declared persona and grata. That's what the eff

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Speaker 1: arrived in the country and he has already wrappled feathers.

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Speaker 1: This is what he said at the BUSINWS twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: The United States is I should look at this way too.

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Speaker 3: We're running out of patients. We believe that. More and

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Speaker 3: more it becomes a statement by the South African government

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Speaker 3: we have. We may not get clarity on they killed

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Speaker 3: the board chen that that we believe is hate speech.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't care what your court say. It's

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Speaker 3: hate speech. We believe that there is clarity on the appropriation.

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Speaker 3: We believe we can find these things, but the South

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Speaker 3: at this point, what I'm saying to the business community

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Speaker 3: And I'll be very blunt here. I'm known for being blunt.

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Speaker 3: This is why the President asked me to do this.

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Speaker 3: But but but I don't. I don't want to hear

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Speaker 1: So here are a few things that I have issues with.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you what I think, and I

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Speaker 1: thoughts are. First of all, you know, let me preface

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Speaker 1: had an off record meeting with this ambassador about a

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Speaker 1: still aligning our diaries, and you will hear from him

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Speaker 1: You know, he's willing to be criticized himself or have

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Speaker 1: it was a frank meeting. You know, agreed to disagree

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Speaker 1: So I find his comment that he doesn't care what

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Speaker 1: In fact, the EFF put it so well in their

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Speaker 1: Do you think this warrants for his expulsion? I don't

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Speaker 1: These comments were undiplomatic. They are undiplomatic. You come to

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Speaker 1: and what they say. That is wild. Maybe in America

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Speaker 1: that's how things work. Maybe you don't care about what

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Speaker 1: These are independent institutions and we respect them as one

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Speaker 4: And Clementity for me. I find that the ambassador from us.

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Speaker 4: I'm America to South Africa to be a bit like

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Speaker 4: if you're come into a host country, especially now that

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Speaker 5: So that for me, it's like.

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Speaker 4: You can't come to a host country and then speak

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Speaker 1: So I just feel like.

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Speaker 4: It's not how you announce yourself to the country of

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Speaker 6: So yeah, so when this guy says all these things

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Speaker 6: perfect example to make an example out of it. The

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Speaker 6: It's coming here. It's some things to say things like this.

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Speaker 1: Who knows what is he going to do next?

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Speaker 6: The damage that is going to inflict on South African

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Speaker 6: Somebody might argue that, no, he's spoken into a different platform.

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Speaker 6: The person was chased away from America. Our ambassador also

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Speaker 1: We need to make an.

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Speaker 6: Example of this disrespecting us, all, disrespecting our courts and laws,

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Speaker 7: Hey, Clement and seven not to lenders. It is very,

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Speaker 7: very unfortunate that a person of such high caliber as

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Speaker 7: a symbol of bullhism, It's a symbol of disrespect. And

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Speaker 7: all I can say is it is very unfortunate. I

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Speaker 7: his own comments, excuse me, but to go to a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, and I think he has to apologize for that.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm hoping that our government can issue a demache.

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Speaker 1: He must go there and explain himself. You don't come

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Speaker 1: And if you are unhappy about it, you've got opportunities

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Speaker 1: I really don't think that we've put up a strong

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Speaker 1: would react, right, I mean, if you expelled there's Sambasada now,

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Speaker 1: or you declared him persona and grata. President Trump is

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Speaker 1: So we're not dealing here with an administration that is

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Speaker 1: insulting a government and the leader of the government. But

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Speaker 1: I find it quite undiplomatic. I find it quite arrogant.

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Speaker 1: And did you see where he was speaking at this

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Speaker 1: Shame on them. Masungoulo, you're calling us from prote at Lan.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, god brother, Go ahead.

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Speaker 8: I'm a straightforward. You can't come to somebody's country and

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Speaker 8: I don't know if it goes back to how things

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Speaker 8: Clement the Man The Man.

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Speaker 1: It can true, And we were able to call to

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Speaker 11: High, Hi Clement, I'm thinking that this man. You know,

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Speaker 8: And since you guys are not united as you think.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Someone couldn't have said it better. Environmentalist Twitter

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Speaker 1: what would Trump do? No, we are done cowering before

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Speaker 1: Let's go to your WhatsApps, Nandi ab Semi, I see you.

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Speaker 14: Good morning, Clement, did Milanie? I think that guy must

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Speaker 15: You must money money, money, major money is even to

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Speaker 15: lend us more way, Clements. We're going to have a

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Speaker 15: problem going forward with this ambassador.

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Speaker 11: M hm.

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Speaker 15: He just came now and it's already running his mouth wild.

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Speaker 15: He's running his mouth wild, telling us he doesn't care

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Speaker 15: whoever say what.

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Speaker 8: M hm.

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Speaker 15: He doesn't care about our child justice system or whatever.

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Speaker 15: We're going to have a problem going forward with this guy.

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00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 15: I'm telling you, it's going to run his mouth open.

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Speaker 15: Why ay, I think it's time to just nip his

446
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Speaker 15: mouth now, before before before we get out of control.

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Speaker 15: So I think we must just deal with him now

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Speaker 15: before he gets out of control.

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Speaker 1: And Joe back every great one morning, Clement. He just

450
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Speaker 1: took the winds out of my mouth.

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Speaker 16: You can't go to any contry and say I don't

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Speaker 16: care what the court says, because the courts the job

453
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Speaker 16: is to uphold the rule of flaw in the Constitution.

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Speaker 16: Same goals for you as a South African, and you

455
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Speaker 16: cannot go to the US and say you don't care

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Speaker 16: what the Supreme Court of the USAX imagine. I think

457
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Speaker 16: that lament is a big plant.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm glad that a lot of

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Speaker 1: you who are citizens of this country, as much as

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Speaker 1: you may disagree with our foreign policy or o government,

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Speaker 1: you actually have the decency and the interest to keep

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Speaker 1: our dignity enough to see that this is wild and unacceptable,

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Speaker 1: Which means government officials that are listening must know that

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Speaker 1: this is how South Africans feel and they must be

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Speaker 1: forced to draw the line and call this man to

466
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Speaker 1: account because maybe they're scared, but they work for you

467
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Speaker 1: and I. So you and I when we express our

468
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Speaker 1: opinions like that and say this is unacceptable, I know

469
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Speaker 1: they listen to these shows, and I think that is

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Speaker 1: going to help put pressure on them because we're not

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Speaker 1: going to be disrespected like that. It's not going to happen.

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Speaker 8: Him.

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Speaker 1: So go ahead, I thank you.

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Speaker 17: I think for me, never mind what them better I said.

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Speaker 17: But South African citizens, we're in that audience and they

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Speaker 17: will looking that up. I think for me that speaks

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Speaker 17: a lot of volume in terms of where we are

478
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Speaker 17: as a country and why we conclude to be here.

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Speaker 17: We can blame the ANC for all its failures and

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Speaker 17: especially around transformation, but the biggest beneficiaries of transformation we're

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Speaker 17: in that room sharing.

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Speaker 18: So I think it says a lot about our issues

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Speaker 18: and how the advice of South Africa is and I

484
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Speaker 18: think that is one thing we are not talking about,

485
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Speaker 18: and I think we should be addressing that and the

486
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Speaker 18: sponsors and whoever hosted him with that platform, all of that.

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Speaker 18: That speaks a lot of volume that citizens South African

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Speaker 18: citizens in this country that are kept in to such things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, true, Loroto, it took place there in your town,

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Speaker 1: in Cape Town.

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Speaker 5: Well well.

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Speaker 1: Let's not even go there. But I'm joking it was.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't her manness, which is why I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: shame on the citizens of this country who were sitting

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Speaker 1: there and they were nodding and clipping as this man

496
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Speaker 1: disrespected our institutions like that. Shame on them. Semi. You

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Speaker 1: are in Centurion, High.

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Speaker 13: Venent, sure you know that's what That's why someone's take

499
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Speaker 13: around is so important. This guy, he was the biggest

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Speaker 13: support of the party government. He was opposed to the

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Speaker 13: sasions against the party government. He labeled into party organizations

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Speaker 13: as to rust organizations. This guy is carrying his he

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Speaker 13: said marcah wool Right, Donald some choosing people. He knew

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Speaker 13: what what what what sort of position wholes So I'm

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Speaker 13: I'm sure that people are so outbreased his information. This

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Speaker 13: background is the priest. So I don't understand why people

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Speaker 13: are prist about that.

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Speaker 8: He said, mm hmm.

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Speaker 13: This is who he is. He's worse than Donald Sump. Really,

510
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Speaker 13: if I want to put it that, you can you

511
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Speaker 13: can go into the body. If you think Donald Trump

512
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Speaker 13: is as differ think that Donald is so Jimi's different

513
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Speaker 13: thing that Donald have in the ad, then you don't

514
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Speaker 13: know an.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Sammie, as I said, I that's not a

516
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Speaker 1: sense I got, and maybe I was mistaken when I

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Speaker 1: met with him off record, That's not a sense I got.

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Speaker 1: I found a man who was rational, who was willing

519
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Speaker 1: to listen, who was willing to take the points I said,

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Speaker 1: which disagreed fundamentally with the position of the US, but

521
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Speaker 1: who was also willing to put his thoughts across. But

522
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Speaker 1: as I said, we're gonna have him on the show soon,

523
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Speaker 1: and when he comes, I want you guys to engage

524
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Speaker 1: with him. I mean, I've got some really important questions.

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Speaker 1: At least I think I have that I would like

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Speaker 1: to ask him on the record, and I'm sure you've

527
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Speaker 1: got many questions yourself. So when he comes here, we'll

528
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Speaker 1: take that opportunity to respectfully engage with him in a

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Speaker 1: frank conversation. Aby, you are in Durban, Kasil Natal, good.

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Speaker 19: Morning, Good morning, Clement. You know it's all a matter

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Speaker 19: of respect.

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Speaker 20: This ambassador is part of the white supremacist regime in

533
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Speaker 20: the White House that respects nothing. No respect for international law,

534
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Speaker 20: no respect for the sovereignty of a country.

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Speaker 19: Greenland is an example of that. That's at the root

536
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Speaker 19: of the problem. No respect. What do you expect from

537
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Speaker 19: the regime that protects pedophiles. We are sick and tired

538
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Speaker 19: of the world's biggest bully and the white supremacists here

539
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Speaker 19: that applauded this ambassador should pack up and join the

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Speaker 19: refugees who tump.

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Speaker 1: Welcomed Abu and Kasilon at all. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Nandy in Pinville, saway to Nandy High.

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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 19: How are you shop?

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Speaker 1: Shop? Go ahead, I'm good.

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Speaker 5: I just think, why don't we use tit for TETs?

547
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Speaker 5: Because he threw out Urasul from his country, he said,

548
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Speaker 5: Rasul said nasty things about him and threw me out,

549
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Speaker 5: threw him out of his country, So why can't we

550
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Speaker 5: throw him out?

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Speaker 1: Because if we do that and the then the President

552
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Speaker 1: of the US may just cut all trade ties with US,

553
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Speaker 1: may just make that unilateral emotional decision in a whim.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're dealing with. And I don't think we

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Speaker 1: need to find ourselves in that situation because we are

556
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Speaker 1: going to feel the pinch of that. So I think

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Speaker 1: we must be the bigger guys in the room and

558
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Speaker 1: try to be more rational because we know what the

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Speaker 1: consequences would be for us as a country. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying we look at the other way and give the

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Speaker 1: other cheek. I'm just saying there are other ways you

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Speaker 1: can di plomatically deal with this, because if you don't

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Speaker 1: deal with it diplomatically, then the US is going to

564
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Speaker 1: respond in a very harsh way that may end up

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Speaker 1: really messing us. Correct.

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Speaker 5: Then, but you were scared of this guy. We're scared.

567
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Speaker 5: We're afraid of him, We're afraid of what he's going

568
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Speaker 5: to do. Therefore, he can walk all over us as

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Speaker 5: much as you want and there's no repercussions. I mean,

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Speaker 5: your impressions of the ambassador to me says, he showed

571
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Speaker 5: you exactly what you wanted to see. Maybe this nice guy.

572
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Speaker 5: This nice guy. But Beck at the ranch, as the

573
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Speaker 5: previous collars stated, we know exactly is he's a racist

574
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Speaker 5: and misogynist and pure evil. And to make it worse,

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Speaker 5: the people that were in the room are even worse

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Speaker 5: than him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they've betrayed. I mean, where's patriot guys, because,

578
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Speaker 1: by the way, we're not saying that people must, you know,

579
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Speaker 1: just disagree with the ambassador even when it's unnecessary. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying that, no matter how much I hate GET

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Speaker 1: the A n C or the GNU or the DA

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Speaker 1: or whatever party, if there's a guest of this country

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Speaker 1: who speaks so disparagingly about institutions of my country, I

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Speaker 1: really would take offense. I would take offense. And here

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Speaker 1: we are. We had people sitting in there nodding. I

586
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Speaker 1: don't know what the host said. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the host called him out on that. I didn't pick

588
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Speaker 1: that up. But that is so disappointing to sit there

589
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Speaker 1: and nod and claire to a man who is showing

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Speaker 1: a middle finger to institutions that we respect in this country,

591
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Speaker 1: and you are nodding and just slapping and going along.

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Speaker 1: That's wild oh seven two seven o two and seven

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Speaker 1: oh two.

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Speaker 21: For your whatsaups, Clement, my view is that Bozill's commenced

595
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Speaker 21: uh condescending, but you know, to out rightly declare him

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Speaker 21: a personal and non gradar would failure, would failure push.

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Speaker 1: Our problems deep into.

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Speaker 21: I don't know how to explain this because already we

599
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Speaker 21: are in trouble with the US.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, I lament.

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Speaker 22: I think I thinks Africa just has to ignore this guy,

602
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Speaker 22: because I can see he's trying to provoke people here

603
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Speaker 22: that your response that America has his way.

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Speaker 1: He comes in and then they say more.

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Speaker 22: So I think just ignore, just just ignore this guy

606
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Speaker 22: and let him swallow his own words.

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Speaker 1: Godment this lens. I'm Clement.

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Speaker 23: I agree with the FF we should declare this sentiment

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Speaker 23: a person and gratta based on the fact that he's undermine.

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Speaker 1: The arms of state when not Clement.

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Speaker 23: And in so doing, he's also speaking in a contest

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Speaker 23: sending tone to say something must be done.

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Speaker 1: And it's as if we don't have.

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Speaker 23: Sound minds or legal minds that looked into this matter

615
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Speaker 23: and actually deliberated took their time, when not Clement to

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Speaker 23: actilly consider every fact that was presented before the courts,

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Speaker 23: and now he just arrives here and speaks in a

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Speaker 23: fashion that seeks to look down on our constitution and

619
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Speaker 23: the legal system that we have in our country. Clement,

620
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Speaker 23: if we keep him, we'll be inviting problems, just like

621
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Speaker 23: the gentleman that said that we have weapons, we're supplying

622
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Speaker 23: weapons to Russia and all of that.

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Speaker 24: I think we can look on the broad side of

624
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Speaker 24: this somehow, Maybe that Trump point always be there and

625
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 24: things will have to return to normal. I mean, he's

626
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Speaker 24: on his way out. I don't think he'll live long

627
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Speaker 24: enough to see the end of his term. His dementia,

628
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 24: that and other things he's not He's done well man,

629
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Speaker 24: and he won't win the midterms. He's gonna lose badly.

630
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Speaker 24: The problem is he knows he's gonna lose, and he'll

631
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Speaker 24: probably do everything in his power to try find a

632
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Speaker 24: way to to get the elections canceled. It's just the

633
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Speaker 24: kind of madman he is. I mean, which which the

634
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Speaker 24: whole world is around this guy hat and I just

635
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Speaker 24: hope he doesn't cause too much more damage.

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Speaker 25: I've been saying this all along raring this issue of

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Speaker 25: the emberside of America his souls. In this case, South

638
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Speaker 25: Africa is not a sovereign state, his idea of things.

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Speaker 1: South Africa as a sovereign state. It's just a fallace.

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Speaker 1: It's not a self state solely. You're calling us from

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Speaker 1: leon Dale. Good morning, Hi, Sally, are are you go ahead?

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, oh man?

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Speaker 8: Two things quickly. The first one, I agree with you

644
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Speaker 8: that we need to treat carefully. We need to be

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Speaker 8: diplomatic in terms of how we deal with this. If

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Speaker 8: the Americans retally Julius want to support Julia's won't do nothing.

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Speaker 8: For an example, I don't I know that it won't

648
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Speaker 8: go to that extreme, but I'm just making you an example.

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Speaker 8: If it drops the form here in South Africa, the

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Speaker 8: Colors who are in support of Julia's and Julius themself

651
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Speaker 8: they want do nothing, they'll take.

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Speaker 1: They'll defend the Hi.

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Speaker 8: So we just need to be diplomatic in terms of

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Speaker 8: how we deal with this. But the second one, quickly, Clement,

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Speaker 8: we don't need to be blinded to the fact that

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Speaker 8: we have got two types of citizens in this country.

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Speaker 8: You've got the citizens who all their allegiance, and then

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Speaker 8: who are patriotic to this country. And then of course

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Speaker 8: also the citizens who came. We know our who came

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Speaker 8: and sought settlement in this country. And then you must

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Speaker 8: not think that when such statements are made, and then

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Speaker 8: they will become outrage. That is why you are saying

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Speaker 8: that in Cape Town they care or they know that,

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Speaker 8: and that those who did that, I can tell you

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Speaker 8: with my eyes cloves, because of I did not see

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Speaker 8: that their skin color it is different to the skin

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Speaker 8: color of the colors this morning, so that it is

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Speaker 8: telling that our loyalty and our patriotism it is not

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Speaker 8: the same. That is why others, when they've got their issues,

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Speaker 8: they fly to America to report the letter to their Prada.

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Speaker 8: Their pride is editing on the album.

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Speaker 1: Solely in Liondale. Thank you for your thoughts Dotgazi on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: sis Clement. One thing that shocked me the most was

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Speaker 1: the other ring of the Western Cape or Cape Town.

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Speaker 1: They said, we are not like that here quote unquote,

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Speaker 1: what did they mean? Businesws must tell us how they

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Speaker 1: are in the Western Cape and they are not part

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Speaker 1: of South Africa or don't follow the same policies. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was that other ring of the Western Cape as

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Speaker 1: if it is not part of South Africa. More of

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Speaker 1: you what's ups one seven two and seven o two?

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Speaker 26: And this man has come here with a mandate, so

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Speaker 26: every single word that comes out of his mouth is planned,

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Speaker 26: it's decided. He knows exactly what he's going to say

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Speaker 26: before he sees it. It's not an accident that he

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Speaker 26: says that he said what he said. He wasn't coming

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Speaker 26: here to sensationalize anything. America has got a history of

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Speaker 26: causing some other form of economic sabotage by causing social disruption.

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Speaker 26: So we need to pay attention. This man needs to

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Speaker 26: go the and p on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Somewherell says Clement. The nerve of this guy, well, he

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Speaker 1: comes from a country where law or international law doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Another one on YouTube, Nice says high Clement. Let's remember

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Speaker 1: where they kill the boor song comes from. It's a

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Speaker 1: struggle song that was sung by our people during a

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Speaker 1: time of oppression, oppression. It is part of our history

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Speaker 1: in DNA. And look, guys, you and I as South

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Speaker 1: Africans can have a conversation about whether or not that

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Speaker 1: song it's still appropriate today and whether we must take

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Speaker 1: into account the historical context. That's a conversation we can have,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's a separate one. We are dealing

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Speaker 1: now with a man who has just shown the middle

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Speaker 1: finger and pure disrespect to the judiciary, our independent institutions.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's even worse hearing that comment from

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Speaker 1: someone who is being hosted in this country, someone whom

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Speaker 1: the Vienna Convention that's supposed to govern the behavior of

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Speaker 1: ambassadors requires a completely different behavior to what he demonstrated

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Speaker 1: at that conference. On YouTube, Glenn at Glenn Specker says, Clement,

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Speaker 1: let's get let's send him back to the US, give

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Speaker 1: supporting evidence why, and live with our reality of being

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Speaker 1: disliked by the US. I'll wrap up with Leanne on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: who says, Clement, letting this man stay here is a

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Speaker 1: big mistake. We've got a snake in the dining room

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Speaker 1: and we are expecting it to be a normal dinner guest.

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Speaker 1: It's two minutes before ten