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Speaker 1: Alpha Amushana is our reporter with Eyewitness News joining us

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Speaker 1: on the line as well. Alpha, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time. I just spoke to the Mayor of

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Speaker 1: Johannesburg who says for now he still hasn't received any

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Speaker 1: communication from the ANC in Johannesburg about their decision, but

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Speaker 1: he's confirming that if really that is the decision they've

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Speaker 1: taken and they communicated to him formally, he will be

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Speaker 1: stepping down. What do you understand about the meeting that

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Speaker 1: took place this.

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Speaker 2: Weekend, Well, good afternoon, Clement. This the ANC in Johannesburg

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Speaker 2: has been discussing this ever since Dada Morrero was removed,

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Speaker 2: well not removed, but replaced by Louiso masuqu As the

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Speaker 2: leader of the A and C in Johannesburg. And you

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Speaker 2: would know, by A and C tradition, any regional chairperson

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Speaker 2: automatically becomes the mayor. And so they did have that

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Speaker 2: proposal in January, soon after Dada Mourero lost the conference.

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Speaker 2: But then the RICI at the time just two months ago,

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Speaker 2: decided that Dada Morrero should remain as the mayor of

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Speaker 2: Johannesburg and they created an entirely new position which Loiso

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Speaker 2: Maasugu currently holds for Deputy Mayor of the City of Johannesburg.

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Speaker 2: So definitely, from what we are being told by people

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Speaker 2: in the Regional Executive Committee of the A ANDC in

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Speaker 2: Johannesburg is that they haven't been seeing eye to eye.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Dara Murero's faction has taken is taking the

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Speaker 2: A and C to court for the outcomes of the

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Speaker 2: Regional Elective Conference and who are told Clement that that

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Speaker 2: is the reason why they've decided to recall him. But now,

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Speaker 2: since Johannesburg is a metro, the A andc's National Executive

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Speaker 2: National Leadership will have the final say, so it's no

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Speaker 2: longer a decision that is taken solely by the RC,

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Speaker 2: the Regional Executive Committee, but the national Leadership will now

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Speaker 2: also have to make the final decision. So it's not

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Speaker 2: clear cut that he indeed will be recalled. It's just

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Speaker 2: a proposal from the Regional Executive Committee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, help help our listeners understand the dynamics at level

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Speaker 1: but also at local level, because my understanding is that

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Speaker 1: I mean, as you say, this is not the competency

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Speaker 1: of the region of the ANC regional body, but the

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Speaker 1: national party is the one that ultimately takes the final decision,

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Speaker 1: which is way it gets complicated because when you look

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Speaker 1: at Figel and Balula, for instance, he seems to have

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Speaker 1: been supporting Dada Morrero. He seems to have backed up

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Speaker 1: the allegations that there were some irregularities during that conference

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Speaker 1: last year.

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Speaker 2: How complicated does it.

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Speaker 1: Get when the region itself says this is a decision

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Speaker 1: we've taken. But when it gets to national there are

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Speaker 1: some top leaders of the ANC that have always believed

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Speaker 1: that Dada must see out his entire term.

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Speaker 2: Certainly a difficult one for the ANC's regional Executive Committee

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Speaker 2: in Johannesburg because national leaders also have an interest in

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Speaker 2: what happens in Johannesburg. Not to bag grace, but plement

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Speaker 2: would know that at any elective conference of the ANC,

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Speaker 2: the branches and the regions of the ANC play and

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Speaker 2: important and role in getting those numbers in for presidential

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Speaker 2: and elective votes. And so Figlem Balulla has been quite

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Speaker 2: close with Tada Mourero is a Dada Murero ally. Loiso

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Speaker 2: Masugu who is against on the or on the other

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Speaker 2: side of the faction is Nonvula Masugu. Look the Deputy

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Speaker 2: Secretary General just forgettingan uh. Those are allies. And so

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Speaker 2: the ANC national leaders have a lot to consider Clement,

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Speaker 2: including the fact that we are going to the local

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Speaker 2: government elections possibly November. Would the Dada Mourero recall make

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Speaker 2: sense for the A and C just a few months

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Speaker 2: before the elections. Those are some of the decisions that

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Speaker 2: the ANC's national leadership or have to think strongly about.

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Speaker 2: Also because other political parties, the DA actually Essay as well,

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Speaker 2: already hitting the ground running and this is something definitely

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Speaker 2: that's going to hold them back a little bit Clement,

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Speaker 2: but definitely Da Da Mourero, Figlem Balula close allies. Louisa

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Speaker 2: Masuku also close allies as well. So the battle also

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Speaker 2: is at top level of the A n C, the

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Speaker 2: national structure.

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Speaker 1: That's really fascinating. So who's on pole position then to

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Speaker 1: take over from Dada Morrero? Should the national A n

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Speaker 1: C give the green light? And Robert stemp this decision

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Speaker 1: of the A and C in the region. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when when the deputy mayor came in in Loiso Masuku,

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Speaker 1: it was almost obvious that they're so sort of positioning

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Speaker 1: her to get ready to take over from Dada Morrero.

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Speaker 1: Do you get a sense that she's the person who's

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Speaker 1: likely to then become mayor if this proposal is accepted

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Speaker 1: at national level? And do you get a sense from

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Speaker 1: what you're hearing Alpha that this is the woman who's

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Speaker 1: likely to be the mayoral candidate for the A and

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Speaker 1: C in johannes Big.

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Speaker 2: Will it's certainly likely to be Louis Masuku should Dare

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Speaker 2: be replaced, moved whole replace him. When Louis Masuk was

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Speaker 2: elected as the aenc S chairperson in Johannesburg, the Regional

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Speaker 2: Executive Committee was split into two, with some saying that

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Speaker 2: they felt that Louiso Marsuku needed to take charge so

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Speaker 2: that she can have enough time to prepare for the

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Speaker 2: local government elections, but they decided at the time just

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Speaker 2: two months ago, that it would be best to keep

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Speaker 2: Morero in the position. So the RAC has always been

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Speaker 2: here that they do want Louiso Masuku to take over.

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Speaker 2: You'd know, Clement that she's the first female A ANDC

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Speaker 2: leader in Johannesburg, and so it's a milestone for the ANC.

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Speaker 2: The original executive committee, which was elected in December is

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Speaker 2: also sort of a generation shift, a generation change. It's

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Speaker 2: a younger cohort of ANC leaders, people who grew up

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Speaker 2: with Louiso Masuku in the A ANDC Youth League in

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Speaker 2: about twenty fourteen, and so they want to see one

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Speaker 2: of their own leading the city of Johannesburg. And so

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Speaker 2: if the Daamororo Veco does go through, Louiso Masuku certainly

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Speaker 2: going to be the one to take over. But as

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Speaker 2: far as look mayoral candidates are concerned, the ANC's national

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Speaker 2: structure is in control of that. The party has received

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Speaker 2: applications from a number of people, Tara Murero and Louiso

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Speaker 2: Masuku included for mayoral candidates, and we have been told

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Speaker 2: that Dada Morero has been interviewed, not so sure yet

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Speaker 2: about Louiso Masuku. And so chances are if Dada Mourero

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Speaker 2: is removed as the ANC leader, there is going to

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Speaker 2: be overwhelming support for Louiso Masuku to be the mayor

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Speaker 2: candidate for the ANC in Johannesburg.

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Speaker 1: All right, Alpha, Ramashana E w and Roporter, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for chatting to us about these dynamics in

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Speaker 1: the city of Johannesburg. What do you think do you

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Speaker 1: support this decision