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<v Speaker 1>Deals that Rwanda is making with Qatar Airways and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>That could have been South African Airways. That could have

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<v Speaker 1>been Rwanda and South African Airways partnering to say we

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<v Speaker 1>are doing this thing. Now Rwanda has to go to

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<v Speaker 1>Qatar and other parts of Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>What I understood from my guests is that this was

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<v Speaker 2>a partnership between Qatar and Rwanda, which is okay.

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<v Speaker 3>It's allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay for Qatar and Rwanda to go in as

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<v Speaker 2>partners in this situation, with Rwanda being, I suppose, the

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<v Speaker 2>principal partner in that situation.

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<v Speaker 3>There's nothing wrong with that, Pete.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing wrong, but I was just trying to also

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<v Speaker 1>elaborate on that Nigerian billionaire that you're referring to. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to Botswana instead of Estates. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>something into all of those, you know, if you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to dig deeper. A few months ago, for example, like,

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<v Speaker 1>with the immigration issues and how, you know, Malawians and

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<v Speaker 1>Zimbabweans and everybody left this country, they were almost chased

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<v Speaker 1>out like dogs and so on. Africans see all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they watch all of that happening and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>So right now, you are right when you are saying

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<v Speaker 1>that Africa needs to stop and really re-look at their

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<v Speaker 1>own situation and how you know because the other also

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they're doing you're bettering the other African countries

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<v Speaker 1>now that's not a bad thing because now all these

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<v Speaker 1>guys are going back to their countries they're going.

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<v Speaker 3>To build which is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it Pete it's a good thing so here's my issue.

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<v Speaker 3>With your narrative.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is something that I've been seeing a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people trying to.

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<v Speaker 3>Drum up.

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<v Speaker 2>That South Africa should be angry at the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Rwanda won this bid. Because it means that our exceptionalism

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<v Speaker 2>has now been interrupted.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that that is a very childish approach.

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa should be congratulatory to Rwanda and offer support.

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<v Speaker 2>But it does not mean that we don't compete. We

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<v Speaker 2>still compete. I agree with you when you say that, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa has a lot to deal with at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got a lot to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>Our rates of crime, as you said, are.

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<v Speaker 3>Blocking out the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>The the indecision and the policy inconsistencies are just too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that those that want to have an

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<v Speaker 2>event like the N1 would be bothered by the rate

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<v Speaker 2>of crime. Because if I want to make that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of investment, I'll simply create a situation where the crime

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<v Speaker 2>situation gets sorted out.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think what.

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<v Speaker 2>Worries investors about South Africa is that we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what tomorrow looks like for South Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>Whereas with a.

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<v Speaker 2>Country like Rwanda, there seems to be a greater sense

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<v Speaker 2>of predictability with Rwanda. South Africa at the moment does

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<v Speaker 2>not have the kinds of predictabilities that would mitigate against

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<v Speaker 2>a huge risk.

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<v Speaker 3>Um, crime will always be there.

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<v Speaker 2>There will always be issues, but I think that South

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<v Speaker 2>Africa is in a very, very difficult place at the

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<v Speaker 2>moment and we need to sort things out, but we

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be afraid to, to, to compete. We shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to, to, to, when we are beaten, congratulate the

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<v Speaker 2>one that has done better than us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, absolutely. So, so for me, I haven't, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't liked it a bit, but, uh, the congratulations for

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<v Speaker 1>me hasn't really.

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<v Speaker 2>Felt sincere in that sense.

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<v Speaker 3>That's going to be a matter of preference, Pete.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interpretation, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we make sure that Pete feels a congratulation

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<v Speaker 2>is sincere or not?

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<v Speaker 3>For example, when we're saying....

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<v Speaker 1>When Rwanda announced that they won this, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>came out to say, hang on a minute, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>bidding for that. We're bidding for something else, another F1 race,

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<v Speaker 1>even before the Rwanda one takes place. But it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>to me like... But they are.

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<v Speaker 3>They are.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the gentlemen were trying to elaborate. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand what they mean.

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<v Speaker 2>But they are. South Africa is still bidding for F1

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<v Speaker 2>races that will happen before the Rwandese F1 deal kicks in.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why I didn't understand. Does this mean actually that...

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<v Speaker 1>The way the F1 actually works is that they can

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<v Speaker 1>select countries which will host some races within a season.

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<v Speaker 1>And then with the Rwanda one, it's like a long-term deal.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the confusion that I think is out there. F1

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<v Speaker 2>does not have to be limited to one African country.

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<v Speaker 2>It does not have to be limited to one African country.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, F1 has hosted races in one country multiple times.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things that we have an issue

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<v Speaker 2>with on the African continent is that we think that

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<v Speaker 2>because Rwanda has won the 10 year contract that starts

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<v Speaker 2>late or early 2030s, that nothing else can happen before. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa is saying, no, we're going to bid for

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that happens before that. And South Africa is actively

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<v Speaker 2>doing that at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>And it is okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, absolutely. It's like going back to my initial

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<v Speaker 1>point I was trying to make is that I think

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<v Speaker 1>I remember following this thing from the very beginning when

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<v Speaker 1>I first heard that Rwanda is, you know, bidding for

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<v Speaker 1>F1 and so on. And then, out of nowhere, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just, I just saw, like, South Africa coming in

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<v Speaker 1>to say, we're also in.

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<v Speaker 2>What would have, what would have, what would have been

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<v Speaker 2>out of some.

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<v Speaker 3>Way for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, for example, if, in other words, we're more reactive

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<v Speaker 1>than proactive. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And that, and that happens too?

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<v Speaker 1>It just felt like, oh, this is such a magnificent world,

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<v Speaker 1>big global event, and we're going to miss out on.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's Rwanda, one of the progressive countries in Africa

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment. They're going for it. And then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, proactively, I mean, we're also just jumping

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<v Speaker 1>in it to bid. It just felt random. It felt

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<v Speaker 1>weird for me in the sense that it wasn't like...

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<v Speaker 1>you really, really want to do it. It just felt

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<v Speaker 1>like we're trying to overshadow the other African country that's already,

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<v Speaker 1>that's trying to shine. It felt that way. It might

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily be the touch, but it just felt that

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<v Speaker 1>way at the beginning when these four things started. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how people from Rwanda felt. They may have

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<v Speaker 1>felt the same way, you know, like, you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden now because You know, it's a big

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<v Speaker 1>brother on the African continent. We can't be the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who are shining on this global event. It's always them

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Pete in four ways.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Pete in four ways. Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 3>for your call. Nick is in Pretoria.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Nick.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, good morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Mr.

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<v Speaker 3>Obi, how are you? Good evening to you, Nick.

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<v Speaker 4>Good evening. I've got just a comment regarding the decision

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<v Speaker 4>that was made regarding the IEC. But just comment on

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<v Speaker 4>your issue that you are talking about with Rwanda. I

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<v Speaker 4>think the other issue was, you remember the... deal with

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<v Speaker 4>Tottenham Spurs. Remember that deal of Visit South Africa, that

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<v Speaker 4>Visit Rwanda thing? So I think the Department of Tourism

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<v Speaker 4>tried to copy that issue, and then there was a setback.

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<v Speaker 4>So it seemed like there was a setback that blocked

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<v Speaker 4>the Department of Tourism to do that deal of Visit

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<v Speaker 4>South Africa. You know that Arsenal jersey? That Visit Rwanda thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And also, I know there's another club in England that's

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<v Speaker 4>got that Vistranda thing. So South Africa also tried to

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<v Speaker 4>copy that opportunity, that marketing opportunity, and some other way.

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<v Speaker 4>Along the way, that was blocked. So I think we...

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<v Speaker 4>It seems like what I've discovered that in terms of decision-making,

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<v Speaker 4>our politics... are blocking the opportunities that are available. When

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<v Speaker 4>an opportunity comes, there's so much blockage. Whereas I think Rwanda,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe decision-making, they're much faster or they're easy to, their

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<v Speaker 4>decision-making is quicker. and there's less resistance. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>that when you go back to that opportunity that was available,

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<v Speaker 4>they said it was costing 900 million to have that

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<v Speaker 4>thing on the Tottenham's pages, so they cancelled that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 4>But Rwanda, also the other issue, they said they are

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<v Speaker 4>stealing diamonds from the DRC. So I think they involved

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<v Speaker 4>some dodgy businesses behind the scenes because they don't have minerals,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't have a lot of resources, so on. how

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<v Speaker 4>are they getting much richer? So I think the other

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<v Speaker 4>issue is that somehow, to say Kagame is involved in

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<v Speaker 4>that war in the DRC. But that is just my

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<v Speaker 4>comment regarding your issue, but it's very interesting what you're

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<v Speaker 4>talking about. Sorry, Aubrey, that decision that came out today,

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<v Speaker 4>the IEC decision, that decision is very, very... I can

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<v Speaker 4>be honest with you, it's very... The argument that ANC

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<v Speaker 4>put there was... It was a lie, that issue that

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<v Speaker 4>they couldn't... It was a technical problem or they couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>press a submit button. Number one, how did they manage

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<v Speaker 4>to put the other candidates to register for other provinces

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<v Speaker 4>like Gauteng and Western Cape and other provinces? They managed

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<v Speaker 4>to submit on time.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 4>This issue of saying they couldn't press the submit button,

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<v Speaker 4>how come all the other days the submit button was working?

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<v Speaker 4>And then the other argument I've got is that the

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<v Speaker 4>IET guys, they need to have to testify. They didn't

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<v Speaker 4>bring evidence that, no, this was a problem. We reported

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<v Speaker 4>it to IEC, and this is the evidence that we've got,

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<v Speaker 4>that we tried to submit and the button couldn't allow us.

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<v Speaker 4>They did not bring witnesses to testify. They did not

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<v Speaker 4>bring evidence to show that they couldn't submit. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>just like that thing, it was just cooked, my man.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that thing was really true because they

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<v Speaker 4>just say it was the technique.

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<v Speaker 3>What thing wasn't really true?

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<v Speaker 4>That thing of saying the submit button, they couldn't click

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<v Speaker 4>on the submit button. That thing is not true, Mr.

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<v Speaker 1>Aubrey, seriously.

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<v Speaker 4>Because they could submit for other candidates. How come the

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<v Speaker 4>other political parties like the EFF and the DA and

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<v Speaker 4>the other political parties, they managed to submit their candidates?

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<v Speaker 3>So you didn't agree with the Concord decision?

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<v Speaker 4>Ah, that one I didn't agree with it, Mr.

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<v Speaker 2>Obri.

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<v Speaker 4>And another issue, Mr.

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<v Speaker 3>Obri. Ah, you're telling me to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Obri.

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<v Speaker 4>That thing, it's not the first time. There are a

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<v Speaker 4>number of these other elections. Also, ANC, they had the

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<v Speaker 4>same problem. They are always late. They are never organized.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't do things on time. They knew all along.

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<v Speaker 4>They were supposed to submit all along, a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't do things in the last minute. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>studying for metric exams now. They say you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>write an exam tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I hear you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. If the Concord had decided the other way. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And the result of that decision would have meant that

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<v Speaker 2>more than, I don't know how many people would not

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<v Speaker 2>be able to vote because they wouldn't have candidates that

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<v Speaker 2>they may vote for.

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<v Speaker 3>How would that make you feel?

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<v Speaker 4>It would make me feel fair because remember, Mr. Obri,

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<v Speaker 4>there are other candidates, other political parties that have been disqualified.

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<v Speaker 4>They say they don't have money for registration and whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>There's also other previously... There are other political parties. I

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<v Speaker 4>remember it was COP. They said, no, that logo looks

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<v Speaker 4>like what other logo. In previously IECs, it's got other issues.

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<v Speaker 4>The NFP, there are other issues. So it's not fair, Mr. Obrioti.

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<v Speaker 4>If they don't have their candidates, they have a right

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<v Speaker 4>not to vote if they don't want to vote. And

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<v Speaker 4>there's also other options. There's 400, I don't know, 500 options.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's not fair to just.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much for your call. Neil Parker writes,

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<v Speaker 3>to sum it all up, well done, Rwanda.