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Speaker 1: You're with Kate Talks Sperbaton on lunch.

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Speaker 2: All right, you've just heard the ad for this week's

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Speaker 2: edition of Master Cheff coming up on Sunday evening. But

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Speaker 2: right now we are about to catch up with the

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Speaker 2: latest contestant to be eliminated from the kitchen in the

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Speaker 2: episode we saw on TV last night, And once again

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to give you a spoiler alert. If

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Speaker 2: want to spoil it for you. If you are planning

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Speaker 2: to catch the catch up repeat screening, which is at

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Speaker 2: five o'clock this Saturday on ETV free to.

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Speaker 2: And there's also another repeat screening on Saturday at eight

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Speaker 2: up again at about ten to three.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that is your last spoiler warning.

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Speaker 2: If you have already watched, you are very welcome to

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Speaker 2: join the conversation on WhatsApp o seven two five six

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Speaker 2: seven one five sixty seven and tell us.

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Speaker 3: What you thought.

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Speaker 2: Which of those dishes do you wish you had had

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to cook, Who did you feel sorry for?

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Speaker 2: Who do you think is the one to watch? You

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: If you've been following the show so far, you will

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Speaker 2: know that last week contestants were asked to prepare dishes

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Speaker 2: that reflected their childhood. This week, just gone By, it

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Speaker 2: was the judges' stories in the spotlight, and each judge

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Speaker 2: chose a dish that they said they would love to

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Speaker 2: eat if they could plan their final meal. And for

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Speaker 2: Katlero that was lamb chops with Papa chuck a laca.

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Speaker 2: For Zola it was her mom's lamb curry with dombolo

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Speaker 2: and coleslaw. And Justine opted for roast chicken with artichokes

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Speaker 2: and boiled potatoes. And what happened is the contestants were

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Speaker 2: sent off into the kitchen. Each lifted a clush that

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Speaker 2: brief was to take that judge's dish and reimagine it

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Speaker 2: and elevate the plate to master Chef's standards. They had

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Speaker 3: In a flash.

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Speaker 2: It was better than the first week, but still not

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Speaker 2: everybody managed to get all of their elements onto the plate.

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Speaker 2: But this time round, it actually wasn't time mismanagement that

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Speaker 2: sent somebody home. It was a contestant who broke what

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Speaker 2: Justine described as one of the cardinal rules of Master Chef,

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Speaker 2: don't serve the judges raw food or burnt food. And

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Speaker 2: very sadly for us, that contestant was one of the

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Speaker 2: last remaining Cape Tonians in the contest, three year old

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Speaker 2: lawyer Ali Sunday. And if that name sounds familiar, and

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Speaker 2: his voice sounded familiar, it should because he's been a.

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Speaker 3: Guest on my show in Legal Talk.

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Speaker 2: In his other life, Ali is a senior attorney at

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Speaker 3: And you'll also remember that last week.

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Speaker 2: It was his dish of a deconstructed somosa that actually

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm sort of picking at a scab here, Ali,

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Speaker 3: Has that been quite painful to two again?

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Speaker 1: Welcome here, Hi papa, How are you doing well?

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Speaker 3: And how are you?

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Speaker 1: More important now? I'm good, I'm good. It's yeah, that

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Speaker 1: reliving that experience, is that all those emotions after being

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Speaker 1: And then last night watching that episode, I had to

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Speaker 2: People around you, friends and family. Did you watch on

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Speaker 2: Of course you couldn't tell them, could you. I mean,

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Speaker 2: So, of course he didn't break his non disclosure agreement.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really sorry, only not just because you were.

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Speaker 2: More importantly, though, you did us so proud in the

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Speaker 2: with the high. I mean, for those who didn't see

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Speaker 1: So the first dish was we were tasked to do

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Speaker 1: I just thought of my favorite time during Ramadan when

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Speaker 2: Popped it all together on a plate. He said, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you made it look so cheffy. It was beautiful. My

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Speaker 3: And the judges just went ballistic for how good it tasted.

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Speaker 2: Food that reflected you on a plate, your cultural background,

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Speaker 3: I mean, how long have you actually been cooking?

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Speaker 1: Ali, I've been cooking from a very young age, probably

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Speaker 3: And under whose influence was that?

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 2: I'm just smiling here thinking how your currents has just

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Speaker 2: going Food Network, Nigella Laws and Jamie Oliver, Gordon Ramsey.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking back to when I first got interested in cooking,

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Speaker 2: your case in the Master Chef Kitchen. That fridge is impressive.

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Speaker 2: That pantry when I saw it last year, was gobsmacking.

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Speaker 2: It had absolutely everything you could imagine in it, from

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's like the equipment that's in that kitchen

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Speaker 2: No's speaking about knives, and obviously you go from there

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Speaker 3: Tell us what happened?

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Speaker 3: But you just seemed to just push through and carry on.

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Speaker 3: Was your first thought? How much time is this going

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Speaker 1: Honestly, that moment when that pan caught light, I just

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Speaker 1: I did not know what to do, and I think

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Speaker 1: like just lub a towel and I'm just like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Zig and Nixti and I see josh coming there with

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Speaker 3: And no harm done.

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Speaker 2: Just for those who might be coming into this interview midway,

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Speaker 2: Ali Sunde with me, who unfortunately was voted out of

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm sorry you didn't get the chance to

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear it. What means we can get

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Speaker 1: Thank you, it's been a pleasure to watch you.

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Speaker 2: I'm really sorry to say goodbye to Elie Sunday, but goodbye.

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Speaker 2: crying over onions gone wrong, you need to tune in

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Speaker 2: this coming Sunday evening on ETV at six pm. And

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Speaker 2: and open view again at eight thirty pm on Saturday

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Speaker 2: on the E Extra Channel. Or the best to you,

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Speaker 2: Alie Sunday