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Speaker 1: It's five minutes after nine otlock. San Monani Jumelan, Good morning,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the first day edition of the Clement Manya

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Speaker 1: Tela Show. It's great to have you with us here

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Speaker 1: on seven or two. I hope you're good this morning.

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Speaker 1: Can we just start off the show by appreciating you

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Speaker 1: and maybe if able agrees, clapping for you, because you

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Speaker 1: take charge of your country and you defend it and

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Speaker 1: when you are unhappy about something, you express it. And

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Speaker 1: you did it yesterday about these undiplomatic comments by the

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Speaker 1: US ambassador and your anger was registered. I can assure

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Speaker 1: you even during the open nine yesterday, as I was

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Speaker 1: getting your calls, I got messages from senior people in

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Speaker 1: government and even at the embassy that were listening. And

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Speaker 1: I even got texts in fact for even Washington, DC

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Speaker 1: of people who are commenting about how angry South Africans

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Speaker 1: are and reference some of the calls that we're coming

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Speaker 1: on the show today. So if you have missed it.

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Speaker 1: Leo Bosel has now clarified his remarks. The embassy tweeted

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Speaker 1: yesterday that and I quote, I want to clarify that

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Speaker 1: while my personal view, like that of many South Africans

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Speaker 1: is that they kill the Bois song constitutes hate speech,

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Speaker 1: the US government respects the independence and findings of South

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Speaker 1: Africa's judiciary end quote. That's what they tweetd yesterday. Our

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Speaker 1: institutions are never going to be disrespected like that, and

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Speaker 1: I think you also made that clear yesterday. They cannot

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Speaker 1: kudos to you, and kudos to Delko as well for

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Speaker 1: issuing that demige and getting the ambassador to come and

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Speaker 1: explain himself. Now, the head of organized Crime in how doing,

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Speaker 1: Richard Shiberi, is returning to the Majlanga Commission today. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I think for the first time because he's been trying

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Speaker 1: allegations and that he had received at three hundred and

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Speaker 1: at the Majana Commission yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Again you thought it was acceptable to take the loan

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Speaker 3: one in an instance where you found out that mister

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Speaker 3: Mcalli is implicated in very serious allegations. Two on the eighteenth,

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Speaker 3: you also find out that he's.

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Speaker 1: A sets contractor.

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Speaker 3: So even if you had use for the money for

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Speaker 3: building a wall, you are now faced in that moment

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Speaker 3: knowing these two facts about mister Mattela, and you chose

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Speaker 3: defer your plans to build the wall.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did take the money from mister Mattlala knowing's

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Speaker 4: got your contract. I've got nothing to do to deal

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Speaker 4: with the contract. I don't deal with the contracts. And

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Speaker 3: So for me, general is your suggestion that there would

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm not in contract with him, and that contract

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Speaker 1: This is the head of organized crime. This is not

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Speaker 1: News twenty four is reporting that a source that they've

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Speaker 1: I really think that we are being unfair by thinking

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Speaker 1: that view is some of you sometimes go for cleansing rituals, Yes,

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Speaker 1: ish in order. Stop going around and giving people breid

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Speaker 1: and telling them one breid one family because bread is alive?

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Speaker 1: What is that? Because you want their votes? Stop telling

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Speaker 1: you also do have unconventional ways, like you approach a

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Speaker 1: I don't know when we are closer to the mountain,

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Speaker 1: but there are people who pray in like in the forest,

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Speaker 1: thoughts oh one one three seven O two what's up?

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Speaker 1: Dear TV channel eight five six.

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Speaker 5: Ninety two point seven and one of six them. I, Clement,

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Speaker 5: you know, the poor guy was just tired of lying.

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Speaker 6: I mean I've been I've watched his we you call

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Speaker 6: this yeah, and he was just tired of lying. He

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Speaker 6: lies and now he's just becoming you know, Eric and shame. Hey,

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Speaker 6: Like I really feel sorry for him as a dead,

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Speaker 1: Shame morning, Clement, and your listeners.

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Speaker 7: Tell me why down these police officers like Shubury take

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Speaker 7: loans from regular banks and institutions like the rest of us.

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Speaker 7: Why are engaging with criminals and people that have gottender

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Clement. That's what they asked him yesterday. In fact,

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Speaker 1: received a loan from someone who's got a contract from

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Speaker 1: the SAPs? And he said, no, I had no duty

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Speaker 1: to report that because it was not a benefit. And

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Speaker 1: advocate by LOWI had to put it to him that no,

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Speaker 1: you're mistaken. It is a benefit because when you got it,

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Speaker 1: if really you want us to believe this was a loan,

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Speaker 1: did you pay interest? No, I didn't pay interest. That's

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Speaker 1: a benefit then that you received, because if you had

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Speaker 8: I hear from the One Love One family from the

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Speaker 9: Next, thank you.

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Speaker 8: See, yeah, I hear, I hear the spiritual cases that

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Speaker 1: I well, fellow, there's no.

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Speaker 10: Hope for this organization because they are not willing to

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Speaker 10: you know, dack clouds over their heads. But I strongly

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm sure they've gone for a

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Speaker 1: Though famous hebialist Hosso Situnza, apparently it's quite famous, hey,

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Speaker 11: I'm my question again, which it comes to that question.

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Speaker 12: We we we we consider to consult the traditional doctor

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Speaker 11: Yet we are we are in different beliefs. How are

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Speaker 12: Things, which is just prayers and that things will one

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Speaker 13: Good morning Germany, it's party here from Colors. So when

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Speaker 1: So are they going to cleanse?

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Speaker 13: That's my question.

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Speaker 1: Well, apparently they wanted to happen at Thetullia House. I

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to John, who is calling us

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Speaker 1: from David in. John, what do you want to say

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Speaker 1: about these people appearing at the Midlanga Commission. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: good good man, Go ahead, Clement.

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Speaker 14: The the the big problem is with their recruitments the

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Speaker 15: That is the big problem.

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Speaker 16: And even now we've got the high light of unemployment.

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Speaker 16: We have got graduates, but when the SAP advertise.

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Speaker 15: Jobs, they look for metric Why do they do that?

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Speaker 15: Then they don't give prevalent for two people who are educated,

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Speaker 15: who are professionals, so that we can deal with some

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Speaker 15: of the things that do you really who wonder where

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Speaker 16: Why aren't we doing even this thing of cleansing the

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Speaker 16: university education is the best cleansing, not what they're thinking about,

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Speaker 16: because you have what people who don't even think. But

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Speaker 1: Elector John and Davidon, thank you for your contribution.

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Speaker 17: Clemen, Good morning to you and the listeners. Claim I

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Speaker 17: think is just being live. I mean, they know where

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Speaker 17: they went wrong, they know they've pushed us so far,

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Speaker 17: and now what they're trying to do, it's, it's and

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Speaker 17: who don't believe in that. They're making things worse to

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Speaker 17: make it public that this is what they want to do.

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Speaker 17: But at the same time, Clement, you can be a

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Speaker 17: gambler and then addicted gambler, and then you keep on gambling.

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Speaker 1: And losing money.

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Speaker 17: The next thing you're saying, because you no longer see

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Speaker 1: No, you're a gambler, that's simple.

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Speaker 17: But now we know these people have been stealing money,

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Speaker 1: But road started and not finished. I didn't ask that,

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Speaker 17: Why sometimes have waken up? They don't have time to

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Yeah, hey, guys, does anybody can someone give

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Speaker 1: socitut so who passed away a while back. I'm really interested.

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Speaker 1: Someone just sent me a message that apparently this man

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Speaker 1: What apparently there's a book about him as well. The

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Speaker 1: he's been always been written about a number of times

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Speaker 1: as well in the papers. Who is this man? Can

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Speaker 1: I didn't know about him, apparently as a descendant, and

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Speaker 1: I wonder if this descendants equally powerful. But clearly that

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Speaker 1: Hososituinza help the National Party win elections, who knows, maybe

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Speaker 1: you could help the ANC win the upcoming national elections

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Speaker 1: his descendant would It's possible. It's nine thirty one, your voice.

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Speaker 5: Your station, your open line of all.

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Speaker 1: On seven teen, it's twenty three minutes before ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: We continue with your calls on oh one one eighty three,

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Speaker 1: oh seven o two. Let's start with your whatspups the

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Speaker 18: When it comes to the generals, all of them, the

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Speaker 18: either they needed help with, either criminal or otherwise. And

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Speaker 18: that's where the problem lies, because if they don't see

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we have a problem.

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Speaker 19: Yea, these are the so called leaders cleiment don't want

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Speaker 19: organizing crime for himself or by organizing moneys and taking

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Speaker 19: in our government systems. Well, this system is kill us

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Speaker 20: Clement.

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Speaker 1: Hello, this is a real, real joke.

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Speaker 21: You know, how did these guys get these top positions?

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Speaker 21: I mean, the the the way of responding to the questions,

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Speaker 1: They How did they get these positions?

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Speaker 21: Imagine the salaries that these people are earning. No, man,

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Speaker 21: this is really this is really a joke. Really, you're

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Speaker 21: you know what, all these guys should be rich shaffle.

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Speaker 21: They should be double checked on the on the education

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Speaker 21: and are they really suitable candidates for the jobs that

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Speaker 1: It's really a joke.

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Speaker 22: Man, yare money one in Clement?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: I don't know what do we have in this police.

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Speaker 22: We need to revemp. We need to revemp these SAPs

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Speaker 22: because other than that, these are intelligent people and therefore

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Speaker 1: That is why they are.

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Speaker 22: Able to knit these guys down and therefore they start

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Speaker 22: to play the game. Hey, it's bad gament again. That

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is bad, you know, yea. And I mean

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Speaker 1: we don't want to sound like it's the end of

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Speaker 1: the world, but my goodness, if you've got a head

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Speaker 1: wonder how did they how did they solve crimes? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the head of the Hawks, that's priority crimes,

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Speaker 1: okay to receive money from a person like that, And

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Speaker 1: tipping him off. That's why the commission put it to

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Speaker 1: him that you called him what fifteen times on the

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Speaker 1: day that the police went to his house? He says, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember. Please, there's a reason why a criminal

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Speaker 1: is going to give you money. As the head of

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Speaker 1: the organized crime in the province, it's a t for ted.

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Speaker 1: You've got to give them something. How is it that

441
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: you conveniently call them fifteen times? You call him, Kate

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Speaker 1: mccallach on the day the police are going to raid

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Speaker 1: his house. You want us to think that that's not

444
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: a tip off? I we are in trouble. These are

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Speaker 1: senior These are police bosses. These are not detectives or constables.

446
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: These are generals. And we're supposed to feel safe and

447
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Speaker 1: think the police are being run by people who are

448
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Speaker 1: competent and who only care about doing the job and

449
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: nothing else. Seventing before ten, your voice, your station, your

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Speaker 1: line eighteen so money you call him from Cape Town?

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Speaker 1: What do you want to say about the ANC? Good morning?

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Speaker 23: No?

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Speaker 9: I joined, I joined the conversation while you were thinking

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Speaker 9: about tunes and coman you know, you know, Clement, it's

455
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Speaker 9: very sad. It's very sad to to to hear such things.

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Speaker 9: I'm I'm I'm I'm young, I'm a young citizen of

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Speaker 9: this country. Knowing the background of the A n C.

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Speaker 9: And if you look at the presence of the ANC

459
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Speaker 9: in this province, it's all a lie. And it's going

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Speaker 9: to my point that I'm trying to make that the

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Speaker 9: Secretariat of the ANC had must accept that they're failed.

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Speaker 20: They failed on.

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Speaker 9: Basic things or renewal of their organization. The organization is dead.

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Speaker 9: And I feel like now in the ANC, everyone is

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Speaker 9: just taking positions, including the Secretary Genera, just to climb

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Speaker 9: the presidential seat. The first thing Koo tuns are it's

467
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Speaker 9: just something that it doesn't matter whether the claims or not.

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Speaker 9: If an A and C cannot release a statement on sansom,

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Speaker 9: what will Koo Tuinsa's grandson do so, So it's it's

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Speaker 9: it's something else. And you know, with with this theme

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Speaker 9: of general's top corps stealing, I think we have a

472
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 9: problem of lack of Patuati consciousness and mostly administrators because

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Speaker 9: we know that as soon as we steal political heads

474
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Speaker 9: will take the blame and now we are just going

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Speaker 9: to rise behind and go to court silently. I think

476
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Speaker 9: people have have getten used to that theme of no, no, no,

477
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Speaker 9: you're going to steal man. It doesn't matter ho which

478
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Speaker 9: political party we belong to, because we know that oh no,

479
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Speaker 9: the Minister of the Agency of the d of the

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Speaker 9: EFF will take the blame and go to the A.

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Speaker 1: G and S. Thank you, captain, Thank you for your contributions.

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Speaker 23: Morning clament, Hi good question, Yeah, Sally, things happen germend

483
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Speaker 23: me not personality. My name is Don Kubu. I main

484
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Speaker 23: block our social movie. What I do when things goes wrong?

485
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 23: I point at myself. I look at myself. I look

486
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Speaker 23: at what I do. What is it that I do

487
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 23: that is not right? And then I change my behavior

488
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Speaker 23: and pray about it. Yes, sack for help to God

489
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Speaker 23: to help me see what I do wrong.

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Speaker 1: If life goes wrong.

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Speaker 23: The very first person you should look at is yourself.

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Speaker 23: So this is what I do.

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Speaker 1: Personally.

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Speaker 23: I am at Lindsai and think that the external sources

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Speaker 23: are wrong or doing them wrong him Clement, but me

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Speaker 23: not literally, I look at myself.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Hi good.

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Speaker 24: Wanting to recliment This is certainly from johannes Burg originally

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Speaker 24: from the cleansing of the ANC. For me, I think

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Speaker 24: the cleansing should be getting rid of the people in

501
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Speaker 24: government they are corrupt and getting young people in there

502
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Speaker 24: and overall it is what South Africa needs, a whole

503
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Speaker 24: cleansing of replacing that whole government. I don't know how

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00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 24: we can do those guys. It's not Africans. People are

505
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 24: complaining about the ANC, but they keep on voting for

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Speaker 24: the ANC. I don't understand this, but the cleansing wise,

507
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 24: that's what my point of view. Get rid of the people.

508
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 24: There is day they're not doing their job and the

509
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 24: people are all day in the parliament and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, good morning, mister Claymond. I myself am a Christian.

512
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Speaker 25: I believe in Jesus all the way. If I need cleansing,

513
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 25: whatever Jesus is. My claims are finishing clank. But I

514
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 25: do support the ANC in what they want to do.

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00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 25: Let them go get the cleansing. I love it because

516
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 25: they're focused on fixing issues the wrong way instead of

517
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Speaker 25: getting their leaders to act right and deliver for people,

518
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 25: be honest and work hard for the people in the

519
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 25: jobs in the positions where they're supposed to do the

520
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 25: things that they're supposed to be doing. They want to

521
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 25: know to go get cleansings and come back and do

522
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 25: even worse. So then it dies and it finishes. I

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Speaker 25: love it for the ANC hector in Madride.

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Speaker 26: Good morning, Clement, perform the cleansing part of what the

525
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Speaker 26: ANC is trying to do. I think that they're playing games.

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Speaker 26: They're playing games in the sense that they know exactly

527
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Speaker 26: what is the problem. So if you know what is

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Speaker 26: the problem, what the problem is, there's no need for

529
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Speaker 26: you to consult because you already know that the problem

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Speaker 26: that is within the ANC is corruption. It's plain to corruption.

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Speaker 26: So they know those who are corrupting their mist so

532
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Speaker 26: they need to take action. That is the only thing

533
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 26: that's needed. You don't need a traditional healer to solve

534
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Speaker 26: that problem. You only go when you don't know what

535
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Speaker 26: to do. But then as far as the A, n

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Speaker 26: C and corruption, no, no, no, these people must just

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Speaker 26: get rid of those that are corrupting.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, supporting, thank you. Let's go to Tepiso

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Speaker 1: in good morning.

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Speaker 27: I'm actually in outing now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, what are you?

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Speaker 27: I'm here.

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Speaker 22: You know I'm.

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Speaker 27: Number one. I'm disappointed that a leader who's supposed to

545
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 27: do right and sure the body needs to do right,

546
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Speaker 27: he is the one who takes money from somebody who

547
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Speaker 27: has been investigated.

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Speaker 1: That's the same.

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Speaker 27: And I believe that you know it's like obsolute power corrupts.

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00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 27: And I believe that you know that entire SAPs must go.

551
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 27: It must be replaced. That's the only way for work,

552
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 27: because it seems like everybody's corrupt. They are from crema.

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Speaker 27: So we absitudos.

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Speaker 15: We are not safe, We're not need to be.

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Speaker 27: The president needs to requality that you're replacing that entire SNPs.

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Speaker 27: That's my case.

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Speaker 1: Practically speaking though, thank you to be so interesting for

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Speaker 1: your thoughts. Practically speaking, though, how do we how do

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Speaker 1: how do we do that? Because you need people with skills?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make practical sense to just replace the entire

561
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Speaker 1: even the entire leadership of the SAPs. Who do you

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Speaker 1: replace them with? I don't know, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's it's practically possible, because then then we are more

564
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Speaker 1: vulnerable because this SAPs is too big, it's large, it

565
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: needs efficient leaders. And my worry is if the president

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Speaker 1: and says, oh, these are the good SAPs leaders, these

567
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Speaker 1: are the bad ones. Then that creates father affections. But

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Speaker 1: the issue with the SAPs also is the rock is

569
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Speaker 1: not only right at the top, it's it's trickled down.

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Speaker 1: That's why you've got that police officer, is it gussy?

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Speaker 1: There are police officers who are in court now who

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Speaker 1: are involved in and linked to this and some of

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Speaker 1: these cases that have got to do with kat Mantala.

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Speaker 1: So you've got officers across the board. That's why I

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Speaker 1: worry even about the testing. The President has instructed that

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Speaker 1: or advised that it be constituted, which is already doing

577
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Speaker 1: work and investigating the referrals from the Madera Commission. I'm

578
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Speaker 1: just like, how do you know this is a good

579
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Speaker 1: cop and this is not a good cop? How do

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Speaker 1: you know if the guy who was reporting to Shibiri

581
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Speaker 1: wasn't working with Shibiri?

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Speaker 9: How do you know?

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Speaker 1: Because some of them are not going to be obvious

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Speaker 1: and tell you that because we don't know everything. What

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Speaker 1: we know is what we've been able to pick up

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Speaker 1: from the text messages between these top cops and kat Magala.

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Speaker 1: But it's possible that there are others in the system.

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Speaker 1: And we just don't have evidence of their communication with

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Speaker 1: these problematic characters. And I just hope that the people

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Speaker 1: in that test team are the people that care about

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Speaker 1: doing the job, because there are cops out there who

592
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Speaker 1: are honest, who are in it to just do the job. Vincent,

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Speaker 1: you're in Ebany Park. Good morning, money money Clement.

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Speaker 20: Yes, with the issue of cleansing for ac I'm just

595
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Speaker 20: encouraging all the pastors to pray against it, so that

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Speaker 20: they must not win elections, what's all. And they must

597
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Speaker 20: not win have a certain percentage whereby they might form

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Speaker 20: a government with their smaller parties.

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Speaker 1: Totally, they must just be out.

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Speaker 20: So all the pastors especiality and all the churches, let's

601
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Speaker 20: come together pray. Yeah, I can see there now these

602
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 20: other churches of the of the old generation.

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Speaker 1: They do work.

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Speaker 20: Let's be together in this end of Ramadan, good Friday.

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Speaker 20: We keep on praying so that they are they're just

606
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Speaker 20: trying to give themselves to win election clements. It's not

607
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 20: like them trying to say they are sorry. It's for

608
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 20: them to have more power. So let's come together, let's pray,

609
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Speaker 20: Let's pray hard.

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Speaker 1: Any Fack, thank you for your call. Why don't we

611
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: rather have the different religious leaders and churches and come

612
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Speaker 1: together and maybe pray for their country. I don't know,

613
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Like do you want to pray against an organization and

614
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Speaker 1: against it advancing? M h, it's like a bit yeah.

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Speaker 1: It makes me a bit uncomfortable, Like I wouldn't pray

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Speaker 1: against someone I don't know. But we're different, Like I

617
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't go and pray against my enemy or someone I'm

618
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: unhappy about and say, I mean, what do you even

619
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Speaker 1: say to God? That God we're supposed to think of

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Speaker 1: as good and it doesn't want us to revenge? And

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Speaker 1: what do we say God make them lose? I don't know, man,

622
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: I think let's pray for the country. In fact, what

623
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Speaker 1: needs prayers? If you want to fast, if you go

624
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: to a traditional healer, if you want to speak to

625
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: your maker, pray for this country, because my goodness, we

626
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: need some prayers, we really do. Tabo. You're in the

627
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: northwest high all right?

628
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Speaker 28: Yeah, I don't think there's any cleansing that needs to

629
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Speaker 28: be done. Honestly, you know, the ANC should have introspected

630
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Speaker 28: long ago.

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Speaker 23: You know.

632
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Speaker 28: If there's any cleansing maybe that I could think is

633
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 28: to clean this country of the ANC. You know, we

634
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 28: shouldn't even be talking about it. We should just let

635
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 28: the ANC die in natural death. I mean we basically

636
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 28: talking about corruption every day. There's not even time where

637
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 28: we get to talk about development of this country.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how about in the northwest. Thank you so much

639
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: for your thoughts. Let's wrap up with some more the boots.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Clement Patria from Spabue. It is very fallacy.

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Speaker 29: Cleansing of the headquarters of the ANC. I don't understand that.

642
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 29: I'll give you a very good example. Police corruption. Now

643
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 29: do they need cleansing in their headquarters? That's insane? Shop lifters?

644
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 29: Do they need cleansing now? They've been looting all these years?

645
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 29: Now they need cleansing for what?

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Speaker 30: That's a joke, heyment I call and we need to

647
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 30: stop voting for these people. I'm just imagining if it

648
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 30: happens that maybe America decides, let's take over South Africa

649
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 30: by nava nava, nava na, where will we be. I mean,

650
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 30: we will be doing so much skins in until they

651
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Speaker 30: wipe up, wipe off all of us. I disguise a

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Speaker 30: co