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Speaker 1: You're with Clement Manya Taylor on seven oh Let's Walk

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Speaker 4: Seven minutes nine Oh Dog Dumela, Happy Friday. Welcome to

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Speaker 4: Clement Madimgamanya Tela Show. It's wonderful to have you with us.

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Speaker 4: You're on seven oh two. I hope your world this morning.

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Speaker 4: I hope your week has been going well so far.

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Speaker 4: It's a Friday, and every Friday we do Gratitude Friday.

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Speaker 4: This is where you can call us on oh one

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Speaker 4: one eight day three oh seven oh two or send

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Speaker 4: a what's up on seven to seven oh two one

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Speaker 4: seven oh two to tell us what you are grateful

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Speaker 4: for this week. We would like to celebrate with you.

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Speaker 4: It's important for us to be grateful, whether for the

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Speaker 4: big or small winds.

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Speaker 2: So what are you grateful for this week?

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Speaker 4: Did you hear that shocking story on Eyewitness news about

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Speaker 4: the testimony of Sageant and Gaussi at the Maglana Commission.

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Speaker 2: I have been irritated by.

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Speaker 4: A number of witnesses there who are just flatly telling lies.

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Speaker 4: They think with children, their explanations are ridiculously unexplainable and unintelligent,

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Speaker 4: which makes you wonder how these people even got to

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Speaker 4: occupy some of the senior positions they have. And I

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Speaker 4: have to say, this witness is the one that really

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Speaker 4: gets to me. And I thought Shibiri was, I thought Sonnawas,

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Speaker 4: and I thought all the others that have appeared before

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Speaker 4: as much as revealed about their actions and their possible corruption.

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Speaker 4: This witnessed sageand Gaussia at the Maglana Commission, was trying

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Speaker 4: to explain why the City of China's Chief Finding officer

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Speaker 4: was assisting his brother with tender documents, and he told

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Speaker 4: the Commission that the paper was to apply for a

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Speaker 4: contract to a municipality that doesn't even exist. He testified

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Speaker 4: that the city of twenty cef oh gaatham Nisi helped

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Speaker 4: his brother apply for a tender at the Matthew Posa

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Speaker 4: municipality in Bumalanga. But such a municipality doesn't even exist

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Speaker 4: in Bumalanga or even in South Africa from what the

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Speaker 4: Commission said. So the Commissioner has asked this man, Surgeon Coosi,

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Speaker 4: to provide the inquiry with evidence of his brother applying

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Speaker 4: for the tender at this non existent municipality. But also

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Speaker 4: why is the SEAFO of twenty busy helping someone apply

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Speaker 4: for a tender?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Messages before the Malana Commission show that this surgeon in

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Speaker 4: Corsi and this CFO Garatham Nissi, we're regularly in contact

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Speaker 4: of security tender at the Metro and their messages show

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Speaker 4: that in Coursi wanted a tender to go to his

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Speaker 4: brother's company, but there was an issue as the company

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Speaker 4: was not compliant with at least twelve of the bid

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Speaker 4: specifications listed for the tender, but that didn't stop them

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Speaker 4: from trying to make a plan. Why is a compromised cop,

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Speaker 4: potentially highly corrupt cop who is linked to the taxi

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Speaker 4: industry bosses and alleged criminals like kat Matala getting involved

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Speaker 4: in tenders in twenty Speaking to MMCs, speaking with CFOs

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Speaker 4: twenty seems to be the focus of the Malano Commission,

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Speaker 4: much like we saw with a Guruleni. I mean already

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Speaker 4: this focus on Sony has claimed its verst victim action

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Speaker 4: essay MMC colo fellow Morodi, who is now on special leave.

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Speaker 4: The party has also suspended her membership pending the outcome

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Speaker 4: of its investigation. I mean this MMC was busy sending

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Speaker 4: in tennel tender documents to the same sedgend in Gaussi.

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Speaker 4: Can the focus move to johannes Bag please, because clearly

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Speaker 4: this rot exists far deeper than we've ever thought in

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Speaker 4: these metros. What do you think of what's been revealed

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Speaker 4: so far at the Mahlanga Commission yesterday? What do you

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Speaker 4: think of this sedgend in Gusi. He was close to

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Speaker 4: the taxi boss Sazim Cibi, he was close to kat Matala,

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Speaker 4: he was close to Shadrag Sibia. Now we learn he

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Speaker 4: helping him with tenders. He was close to the MMC

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Speaker 4: him tender documents? Who's next? Who else is he close to?

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Speaker 4: And what does this tell you about this man? Because

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Speaker 4: it really looks like there's a serious syndicate here. We

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Speaker 4: need the Mdlanka Commission to pay some attention to Johannesburg.

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Speaker 4: After twany please oh one one, eight, eight, three, seven,

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Speaker 4: what was revealed at the Maglana Commission yesterday about twany

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Speaker 4: and I wonder if we will at some point shift

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Speaker 2: I really hope that's going to be the case.

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Speaker 4: And then in the US, it seems President Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: is looking for an exit strategy from this war in Iran.

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Speaker 4: This war has no direction whatsoever, no strategy, and perhaps

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Speaker 4: the problem is that when the US entered into it,

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Speaker 4: it had no business to do so. Listen to what

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Speaker 4: Tulsey Garbett, the Director of National Intelligence said yesterday when

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Speaker 4: she appeared before lawmakers. She couldn't answer a basic, simple question.

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Speaker 5: The White House stated on March first of this year

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Speaker 5: that this war was launched and was quote a military

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Speaker 5: campaign to eliminate the imminent nuclear threat posed by the

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Speaker 5: Iranian regime end quote. Was it the assessment of the

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Speaker 5: intelligence community that there was an imminent nuclear threat posed

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Speaker 5: by the Iranian regime?

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Speaker 6: The intelligence community assessed that Iran maintained the intention to

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Speaker 5: Was it the assessment of the intelligence community that there

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Speaker 5: was a quote imminent nuclear threat posed by the Iranian regime?

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Speaker 2: Yes or no?

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Speaker 6: Senator, The only person who can determine and what is

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Speaker 6: and is not an imminent threat is the president.

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Speaker 2: False.

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Speaker 5: This This is the Worldwide Threats Hearing where you present

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Speaker 5: to Congress National intelligence, timely, objective and independent of political considerations.

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Speaker 5: You've stated today that the intelligence community's assessment is that

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Speaker 5: Iran's nuclear enrichment program was obliterated and that quote there

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Speaker 5: in no efforts since then to try to rebuild their

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Speaker 5: enrichment capability. Was it the intelligence community's assessment that, nevertheless,

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Speaker 5: despite this obliteration, there was a quote imminent nuclear threat

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Speaker 5: posed by the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 2: Yes or no?

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Speaker 6: It is not the intelligence community's responsibility to determine what

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Speaker 6: is and is not any.

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Speaker 4: Kidding mean, it is not the intelligence community to determine

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Speaker 4: whether America faced an imminent threat. Who is supposed to

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Speaker 4: make an assessment as to whether there's an imminent nuclear

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Speaker 4: threat or not? Because Tulsi Gabbett seems to suggest that

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Speaker 4: it's Trump who makes the determination. But Trump makes that

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Speaker 4: determination based on what information, based on what intelligence?

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Speaker 2: Do you think President Stramaposa just.

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Speaker 4: Wakes up one day and says, oh, we face a

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Speaker 4: nuclear threat from Zimbabwe because it came from a dream,

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Speaker 4: It's got to come from an intelligence community. They're supposed

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Speaker 4: to brief the president and say this is what we

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Speaker 4: that determination based on information from an intelligence community. To see, Gabbert,

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Speaker 4: the Director of National Intelligence, says, it's Trump who has

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Speaker 4: what we supposed to just take it? And we can't

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Speaker 4: ask what information Trump relied on. This is quite extraordinary

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Speaker 4: and I feel like she was just trying to avoid

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Speaker 4: contradicting President Trump because she has been here before. Remember

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Speaker 4: last year she contradicted Trump when she said the US

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Speaker 4: clearly had no evidence that Iran is building a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 4: Joe Kent, who is the director of National Counter Tourism Center,

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Speaker 4: we spoke about him the other day. He was on

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Speaker 4: Tacker calson So show and he told Taker that there

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Speaker 4: to Tulsi Garbert it's wild. And then now we learn

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Speaker 4: that the largest natural guest field has now been.

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Speaker 2: Attacked by Israel.

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Speaker 4: The South Pass guests Field is shared by Iran and Qatar.

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Speaker 4: President Trump says they knew nothing about this attack by Israel,

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Speaker 4: and Trump has made an assurance that no more attacks

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Speaker 4: which is quite an interesting response from Donald Trump and

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Speaker 4: Tuci Gabat couldn't even explain yesterday whether there was any

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump.

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Speaker 4: Treated in bold and said there will be no more

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Speaker 7: So the death and destruction continues, the economic costs the

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Speaker 7: United States to Israel, to the Gulf States, and to

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Speaker 2: So I want to ask you.

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Speaker 7: To the best of your knowledge, do you know whether

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Speaker 7: Israel is supportive of the President's call to make a

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Speaker 7: deal with Iran.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. I don't know

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Speaker 2: Israel's position on that.

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Speaker 7: And to what do you attribute Israel's decision to strike

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Speaker 7: Iranian energy infrastructure despite President Trump's call to keep those

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Speaker 2: I don't have an answer for that. Yeah, I share

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Speaker 2: your thoughts. Oh one one eight three h seven oh two.

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Speaker 1: Clement, mammee Tella streaming on the Prime Media Plus.

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Speaker 2: At DearS TV channel eight, five, six and six, Lulu.

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Speaker 2: You're calling us from Centurion.

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Speaker 8: Good morning, morning, Clement. Gosh, we need more of this

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Speaker 8: gratitude feature because with all the chaos that happened, we

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Speaker 8: could do.

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Speaker 9: With some lift me up new Absolutely.

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Speaker 10: But thank you.

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Speaker 8: I'm grateful, super grateful for my small business which I

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Speaker 8: started two and a half years ago. I'm grateful that

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Speaker 8: the business is still standing and it's just growing from

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Speaker 8: strength to strength.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh that's amazing. So it's been what two.

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Speaker 9: Years now, two and a half.

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Speaker 8: You will be three years actually in August.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. What does your business do?

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Speaker 11: So?

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Speaker 8: I custom make exquisite fascinator hats for all occasions for women. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Where do you operate from?

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Speaker 8: I work from home, so I yes, I went to

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Speaker 8: sewing school and I learned how to make those and

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Speaker 8: I saw those from Yeah, I just turned one of

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Speaker 8: into a small studio. So yeah, I work.

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Speaker 4: From hot Okay, how do we support you? Let's plug you, Lulu.

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Speaker 4: How can people support the business?

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Speaker 8: Okay, so we are. We're on social media on TikTok

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Speaker 8: and Instagram as Lady Lou Designs, Lady Lou as one

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Speaker 8: can see our gorgeous designs and yes, and we actually

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Speaker 8: get a lot of leads from social media or TikTok

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Speaker 8: and Instagram, so that's where we are most popular.

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Speaker 4: I should say a perfect, perfect Lady Lou on social media.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your call, Lulu, and thank

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Speaker 4: you for being grateful, eh, because sometimes you focus on

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Speaker 4: all the businesses not doing well, but when it does

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Speaker 4: do well, when you've been able to hold on and

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Speaker 4: you're about, just like Lulu, to get into your third,

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Speaker 4: second or first and to wrap up your first year,

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Speaker 4: just be grateful for that. There's so much going on

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Speaker 4: just important for us to pause and say I'm grateful.

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Speaker 4: to learn to be grateful to Lanny. You're calling us

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Speaker 9: Hi morning, clem fastly. Thanks, thank you very much for that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great help. Thank you you are the one

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Speaker 8: Yes, per thank you.

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Speaker 11: Clement.

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Speaker 9: You asked the question what I think, what we think

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Speaker 9: about that's such and gossip. Pathetic is what I say. Pathetic.

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Speaker 9: But I say one thing that I want to say, Clement,

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Speaker 9: a microcosm of what is happening throughout the country. And

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Speaker 9: what really annoys me about this whole thing is we

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Speaker 9: a better way that I'll just leave it at that.

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Speaker 9: But like people that are like such and Cosy and

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Speaker 2: Goverment.

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Speaker 9: I think you know this, I know this, everybody know this.

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Speaker 9: We it is the same thing that happens every single municipality,

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Speaker 9: government department and anything else. So we shouldn't be shocked.

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Speaker 9: If it were according to me, we would have to

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Speaker 2: I think we should plan it.

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Speaker 4: I'm honest, I'm willing if government were to say, please,

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Speaker 4: can you contribute as textpayers? Can we take one more

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Speaker 4: I would be the first one to raise my hand

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Speaker 4: and say I'm happy with that, because and you take

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Speaker 4: the Madlanga commission team, you take them and you say

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Speaker 4: go to Twani, go to ny I would definitely do it,

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Speaker 4: because wow, the rod is shocking to Lani instant you

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Speaker 4: and thanks for your call.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty four after nine, your voice, your station, your line.

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Speaker 2: I'm seven eighteen twenty.

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Speaker 4: Seven after nine. Tabiba is our colleague Eyewitness News. He's

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Speaker 4: been following on the Madlanga Commission and I've asked him

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Speaker 4: So this is the guy we used to know it

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Speaker 4: ended up in hospital at some point. Yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 4: he does so. He's so, I mean, the background office

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Speaker 4: it's like, oh no, we're actually talking about a tender

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Speaker 4: in put my lang. And then it was like when

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Speaker 13: And then he's like, oh Sta Methius post a municipality

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Speaker 13: and he was there too, cut a mold. Now, I mean,

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Speaker 13: government doesn't build malls one two. Mathew's posta municipality doesn't exist.

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Speaker 13: So it's going to be interesting what he comes up

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Speaker 4: So this CFO, because I'm seeing it, there's a more

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Speaker 4: They welcome the action on the MMC, but they're like

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Speaker 4: when it comes to the CFO, they're saying this is

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Speaker 2: It almost sounds like they're defending him. What's going on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if this is connected Clement.

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Speaker 13: So a couple of weeks ago we did a story

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Speaker 13: those divorce papers were public of public knowledge. Now what

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Speaker 13: he's thirty six. Two this, according to the CV that

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Speaker 13: As a senior official, you're supposed to obviously declare all

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Speaker 13: So we know that Sergeant Course is sort of like

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Speaker 13: this concierge of crime has links to taxi buses, senior

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Speaker 13: so intricately linked with this man, and they've been discussing

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Speaker 13: those tenders, and we do hope that today we actually

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Speaker 13: so far, even with those tenders from Juless Malema, those

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Speaker 4: But the basic question here is does a CFO have

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Speaker 13: No, it's a clear conflict of interest. And I do

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Speaker 13: that action has to come from the Twines city manager,

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Speaker 13: mister Johann Medler.

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Speaker 4: Sure, thank you so much, will follow your reports throughout

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Speaker 4: the day. This is quite crazy. A CFO is busy

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Speaker 4: Everybody is excited about the MMC. I was shocked by action.

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Speaker 4: Say statement that said, it's the allegations against the CFO

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Speaker 4: That's conflict of interest. And you're saying the allegations are

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Speaker 4: these political parties. It's quite shocking and revolting. It's nine

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Speaker 2: Your aunt and nine walked at all with Clement. I'm

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Speaker 2: seven eighteen. It's twenty two minutes before ten o'clock morning,

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Speaker 14: Clement.

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Speaker 2: What I'm grateful for.

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Speaker 14: I started running since the year started, and I must

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Speaker 14: the twenty one case, so I'm grateful for that. But

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Speaker 14: now my heart is shuttered because I've woken up with

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Speaker 2: That's a good or bad omen lovely show.

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Speaker 4: Thanks thanks man. I think just please don't risk it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe see a biokindeticist or someone who can check it out.

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Speaker 4: One thing I've learned this year is do not go

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Speaker 4: who knocked at the point of death. And I don't

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Speaker 10: Good morning, Clement, Happy Friday. This morning, I'm grateful for

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Speaker 10: the opportunity I got a new job and it was

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Speaker 10: starting the first of April. Today is my last day

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Speaker 10: my current employer. In a time in South Africa, way

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Speaker 10: this opportunity, and I'm also grateful that I'm leaving my

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Speaker 10: for growth purposes. I know sometimes we leave jobs when

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Speaker 10: we're unhappy and we are really frustrated, but my current

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Speaker 10: It's well here in Pretoria.

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Speaker 4: We celebrate with you all the best with the new

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Speaker 2: Your voice, your station, your open line.

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Speaker 15: Seven, Good morning, Clement. It must be so difficult to

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Speaker 15: work for Donald Trump, because a person that just decides

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Speaker 2: He just decides to say things.

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Speaker 15: And then now people that are work in his administration,

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Speaker 2: And it's very.

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Speaker 15: Hard to say, like to answer questions, especially regarding somebody

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Speaker 15: You know, Ay, it must be so Frustra.

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Speaker 11: Lodger mister Mania Taylor on the war in Iran. I

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Speaker 11: agree with you that there's no clear objective there, hence

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Speaker 11: why Congress still has not approved the war. By the way,

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Speaker 11: Trump is there without the approval of Congress. He's pulling

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Speaker 11: other countries, but Congress still has not approved this thing.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's about the oil.

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Speaker 11: Hence why Trump has given an instruction that he runs

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Speaker 11: oil infrastructure should not be destroyed because that's what he

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Speaker 11: cares about, that's what he's in. Therefore he wants their oil.

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Speaker 11: Same reason why he he did the operation Go Go

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Speaker 11: goven Azuela.

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Speaker 2: It's all about oil.

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Speaker 11: He did say, drill, baby, drill, that's what he wants.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it's quite extraordinary. Let's go to you some

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Speaker 4: more worsp voice notes on seven seven You want seven

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Speaker 4: o T you're responding to. Yeah, the situation in Sonny.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Clement, Clement.

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Speaker 12: We are in a we are in a problem, big problem.

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Speaker 12: You know, this country is run by criminals.

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Speaker 2: Facts.

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Speaker 12: Just imagine a long drinking sergeant controlling all these general as.

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Speaker 12: There's no respect. I mean, you don't know what times

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Speaker 12: in the police, my Brad, we used to respect. If

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Speaker 12: you're a surgeon, constable or round officer, there is a respect,

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Speaker 12: your respect from captain upwards.

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Speaker 2: You don't even mix up with those people. But today

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Speaker 2: it's just business as usual.

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Speaker 16: Just imagine the mayor, the deputy mayor of Twine. He's

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Speaker 16: implicated in a lot of mess in this country, but

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Speaker 16: we continue to say, no, this is our country, this

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Speaker 16: is our South Africa. No, it can be thank you,

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Speaker 16: let me choose to me anonymous.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 17: Hey exament. Yeah, no about this corruption in municipalities. And

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Speaker 17: I actually think even proper auditing, proper since here responsible

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Speaker 17: auditing of these these government entities would yield results without

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Speaker 17: even spending on another commission.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, team, good.

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Speaker 18: Morning Clement auto formality. You know, Inspector Cossie about this

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Speaker 18: Matthew Person municipality.

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Speaker 2: You might find that it's a ghost municipality. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 2: can we look into it?

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Speaker 18: You know, let us not take it lightly. There might

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Speaker 18: be a lot of coast municipalities known to the governing party,

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Speaker 18: So may we may we check into that. May we

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Speaker 18: may our investigators go into that, look into the tip

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Speaker 18: and find out how many more municipalities are there that

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Speaker 18: are post of course, I can imagine how much money

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Speaker 18: is going into those municipalities, Yeah, that are not existing

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Speaker 18: in Clement auto formality.

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Speaker 2: Man and Clement. It's a player from Clement.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 2: If we yeah, we were about to.

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Speaker 19: Establish a commission for every municipality and then for every

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Speaker 19: government department. I'm telling you most of the people will

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Speaker 19: lose their jobs because like the previous collar set, we

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Speaker 19: know these things happened like they happen every day, like

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Speaker 19: with other Africans. Knows whose corrupt, knows who's who's not corrupt,

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Speaker 19: like we know them. And then, like I said, I

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Speaker 19: don't know if I'll be exhilarating to say seventy of

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Speaker 19: them they are corrupt.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 19: But then I wish such commissions can be established so

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Speaker 19: that we can we can take out the road of

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Speaker 19: the offices and then of the municipalities. Thanks creature as always.

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Speaker 4: Look, and you know, I'm not saying that if even

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Speaker 4: if the commission focuses on Swany or I mean on Johannesburg,

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Speaker 4: all the rod is going to be rooted out. I

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Speaker 4: mean on thinking Akurrillina for instance, we even have touched

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Speaker 4: or scratched the surface. I don't think so. I think

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Speaker 4: this is just this is really just a little bit

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Speaker 4: of what is out there. So but it's still important,

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Speaker 4: at least in my view, it's still important for this

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Speaker 4: to be revealed because at least we have taken out

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Speaker 4: some bad apples. Are people going to a lot of

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Speaker 4: people are going to be fired. Yeah, let people lose

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Speaker 4: their jobs if they've been found to be corrupt, if

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Speaker 4: they've been found to do things that are irregular and illegal.

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Speaker 4: What's that Latin legal principle principle again, that Latin legal

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Speaker 4: phrase feed justicia ruat salam meaning let justice be done

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Speaker 4: though the heavens fall. And what this signifies is the

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Speaker 4: belief that justice must be realized regardless of the consequences.

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Speaker 2: Your station, your line balked at all on seven eighteen,

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Speaker 2: it's going up to ten minutes before ten o'clock.

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Speaker 20: Clement is so fascinating how South Africans are always surprised

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Speaker 20: and shocked. We all know, guys, the rock begins at

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Speaker 20: the top. And there's all these coincidences that a distant

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Speaker 20: nephew of the president is milking so much money, and

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Speaker 20: his mom was the head of the Department of Health

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Speaker 20: in Glumbobo for the longest time, and then the president

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Speaker 20: had foreign currency tens of millions in rands. Till today,

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Speaker 20: there hasn't been any proper explanation of that money. Because

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Speaker 20: we all know Mustafa, the man who sells ancolies, does

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Speaker 20: not exist. So come on, guys, if that is happening

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Speaker 20: at the highest office in the land. Imagine everything something

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Speaker 20: else that's happening down here. Come on, yeah, we're still surprised.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 4: Eventually, just replaying Like guys, I think the country needs

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Speaker 4: a cleansing ceremony. Really no, not for the NC for

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Speaker 4: this country. We need a prayer. We need a cleanser.

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Speaker 4: Think of the scandals we've just dealt with in recent time,

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Speaker 4: like we had to deal with al Bashir, who whom

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Speaker 4: our government just let escape. Our government is the secretary

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Speaker 4: to the ICC. The obligation is that we have to

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Speaker 4: arrest this man if he lends and sets food here.

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Speaker 4: What did we do allowed him to come attend the

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Speaker 4: conference and we said just escape, go this way.

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Speaker 2: Hmm.

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Speaker 4: There was an embarrassment for us and then Profet Bushiri,

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Speaker 4: who can forget that he also escaped. We still don't

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Speaker 4: know how he left this country and how he entered Malawi.

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Speaker 4: What an embarrassment, Like we're a joke. The Guptas landed

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Speaker 4: their plane at Watercoof Air Force Base. That left us embarrassed.

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Speaker 4: Mustafa arrived here without declaring his money and went to

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Speaker 4: buy kettle from the President's farm. Kettle he's never even

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Speaker 4: collected after years of having purchased it cash with money.

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Speaker 4: He didn't even declare, how's that not embarrassing? What else

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Speaker 4: has left us with? Eg on our face Grace Mugabe

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Speaker 4: assaulted someone, was given a warning statement and had to

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Speaker 4: hand herself over to a police station. She didn't She

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Speaker 4: left just like that. We Tabobesta. Oh my god, we're

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Speaker 4: in an embarrassment.

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Speaker 2: We are.

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Speaker 4: It's just so shocking that these are the things we

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Speaker 4: deal with. Now we have someone who tells us it's

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Speaker 4: clear he's talking to a CF all about tenders and swan.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to deflect and says, no, no, no, this

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Speaker 4: was about something else in a municipality, a municipality that

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Speaker 4: he must now provide proof exists. Ah, We're a joke.

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Speaker 4: Please pray for this country.

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Speaker 21: Clement, Good morning, Clement. I'm just worried about this faring

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Speaker 21: gossy guy. This guy has been employed as a say,

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Speaker 21: as a policeman, but he's spending most of his time,

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Speaker 21: you know, organizing tenders for this one being the meddlemen,

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Speaker 21: doing the opposite of what you were supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 21: So in another ways, you know, he has been stealing

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Speaker 21: money from the government, doing dogy things. So I also

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Speaker 21: think that they need to be charged for that, Clement,

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Speaker 21: You really need to be charged for that. Thank you, Clement.

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Speaker 2: We don't need a cleansing ceremony, a cleansing prayer. We

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Speaker 2: need a cleansing election. We can do it. The population

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Speaker 2: can do it. It's simple. Just don't fight for the n

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Speaker 2: c Miss Clement.

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Speaker 22: Just when I thought I've had enough, or I've had

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Speaker 22: the West from the likes of Synona and then boomboo,

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Speaker 22: here is this kind. I'm beginning to think. What about?

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Speaker 22: How about a maternal commission investigate like the whole of

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Speaker 22: South Africa, the whole of South Africa, all the municipals

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Speaker 22: this in South Africa?

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Speaker 2: How about that?

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Speaker 22: And I saw which before they could go focus on

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Speaker 22: Johannespect Municipality. Can they focus on c Cocune, feather Ho

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Speaker 22: Musuna Municipality.

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Speaker 2: What's day for?

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Speaker 22: That's where I am from. Feather Home Local Municipality, feather Homos,

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Speaker 22: Cocuna Local Municipality.

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Speaker 23: What y for?

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Speaker 2: The worst is happening in the mister Clement? Last one year?

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Speaker 23: Money?

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Speaker 2: Clement?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, point of correction, Clement, we don't need prayer anymore

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00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 23: prayers have been said and have been answered because the exposure,

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Speaker 23: it looks to me, it looks like the answers that

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00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 23: have been and then that has arrived. So now what

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Speaker 23: needs to be done is this, people should account. Now

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Speaker 23: we must take action and it is rittine most We've

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Speaker 23: got our constitution. We know what to do with those people,

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Speaker 23: so we don't need to ask ourselves what is happening

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Speaker 23: in play is if we we we are surprised and

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Speaker 23: not know what you are not surprise, we know what

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Speaker 23: Septing people are doing what they are doing because they're

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Speaker 23: taking advantage of us South Africa. They're not patriots enough.

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Speaker 2: People must account. Clement Lawrence on the water up lines.

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Speaker 4: As Clement, you forgot to mention tigera bill. I'm really tired,

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Speaker 4: you know when you're exhausted from confusion and betrayal.

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Speaker 2: Remember Tiger.

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Speaker 4: Tiger who was one of the kingpins in illegal mining

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Speaker 4: in the Northwest.

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Speaker 2: The police where it was it what's the name of

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Speaker 2: that mine in the Northwest where Tiger escaped still Fontaying.

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Speaker 2: The police were there in their numbers.

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Speaker 4: Arresting illegal miners who are coming out of still of

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Speaker 4: that abandoned mine. And when Tiger came out, they put

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Speaker 4: him in a nice fancy car and they took him somewhere.

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Speaker 4: He's probably sipping on some nice cocktails on an island

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Speaker 4: some way, because the police helped him escape. You and

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Speaker 4: I still don't know where that man is today. How

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Speaker 4: are we not a joke? And the examples have used,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I'm forgetting others. How are we not a joke?

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Speaker 4: When Bushiri can just escape, When Tawabesta can can escape

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Speaker 4: jail and get our government to believe he's dead until

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Speaker 4: a civilian sees him shopping at Woolly's. How can we

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Speaker 4: have a kingpin the police told us that's a kingpin

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Speaker 4: whom they help escape instead of sending to jail. How

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Speaker 4: do we have someone who has left millions here without

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00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: declaring that cash and we are told no, he came

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Speaker 4: to buy cattle, but he never came to fetch it.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever gone to a shop to buy a

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Speaker 4: couch and years later you still haven't fetched it? How

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Speaker 4: does that make sense? I clap once it's two minutes

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Speaker 4: before ten