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Speaker 1: And we shift our conversation to things travel. Now, Paula

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Paula.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, and Barry. I just want to

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Speaker 1: Congress oh Man, thank you very much. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: Paula Martini is also an author. She wrote a Travel

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Speaker 1: with Purpose and it's a book I found personal inspiration from.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, that's not what this conversation is about. Paula,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, just on that what you just said about these

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Speaker 1: Purpose and it speaks on exactly that traveling with Purpose