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Speaker 1: Here with Balani bing seven or two weekday mornings six

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Speaker 1: to nine am.

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Speaker 2: A little earlier, of course, we spoke to the Portfolio

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Speaker 2: Committee chair in Parliament. This is of course on higher

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Speaker 2: education and training and the issues we were dealing with

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Speaker 2: were around the Auditor General's concerns around weak internal controls,

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Speaker 2: governance failures and a lack of consequent consequence management. This

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Speaker 2: is to do with the Higher Education and Training SEATA

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Speaker 2: where over six hundred million Rand cannot be verified or

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Speaker 2: at least expenditure thereof Gaboo is the DA's national spokesperson

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Speaker 2: and also of course is part of the Higher Education

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Speaker 2: Portfolio Committee and joins us. Now all is a pleasure

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Speaker 2: to have you on the show. Thank you for talking

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Speaker 2: to us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. A Bogan, good morning and good

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Speaker 1: morning to your listener.

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Speaker 2: What are your concerns around this? When we spoke to

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Speaker 2: Debojo Litzia, who is of course the chair of the

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Speaker 2: Portfolio Committee, he says, look, this happened in the last term.

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Speaker 2: There's still some questions to be answered, but yes this

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Speaker 2: was irregular expenditure. It doesn't mean the money disappeared, It

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Speaker 2: just means the spending cannot be verified. So more questions

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Speaker 2: to be answered, for sure, but perhaps not quite as

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Speaker 2: worrying as it may have been understood, at least as

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Speaker 2: I understand as I understood it.

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Speaker 1: So what must worry the Republic mods Debucho playing goalkeeper

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Speaker 1: for AMC caters who are toowing state funds like there's

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Speaker 1: no tomorrow. It is absolutely troublesome that a chairperson of

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Speaker 1: a portfolio committee will choose to guess like the Republic

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Speaker 1: instead of owning up to the fact that his organization

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Speaker 1: has stacked the status with caters that have only performed

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Speaker 1: one purpose, chowing state funds looting instead of skills development.

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Speaker 1: And while Debucho does what he does not Today, at

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Speaker 1: ten o'clock I will be at the Cape Town Police station.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to open a criminal against the accounting authorities

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Speaker 1: of the et DP seater because the Autoito General has

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Speaker 1: been clear up to Bungan the money there's you. There's

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Speaker 1: no trace of the money. The records of how that

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Speaker 1: money was spent are missing. The Autoto General can't even explain, guy,

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Speaker 1: I want to make it simple. If I give you

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Speaker 1: one hundred and I say go buy a loaf of bread.

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Speaker 1: Fully tire cuckoo and fish and chips. Right, you should

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Speaker 1: have a slip that shows that you bought those things.

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Speaker 1: On top of having a slip, you must have the bread,

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Speaker 1: cocoo and the chips. In this case, the Autitor General

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Speaker 1: is saying, she does not know where the bread is.

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Speaker 1: You can't see the breadge, you can't see the coke.

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Speaker 1: She can't see the chips. Now that can she see

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Speaker 1: the slip? But what she knows is that the money

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Speaker 1: is gone here. You wanna tell it? That's are you?

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Speaker 1: That's the guy?

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Speaker 2: So what about the role of the acting CEO, because

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Speaker 2: that's one of the questions that has been raised. This

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Speaker 2: is now one mister kokan Ma fIF who was the

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Speaker 2: chief Financial Officer throughout the period when this money would

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Speaker 2: have been spent.

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Speaker 1: So look, the terminal types that are belaying are against

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Speaker 1: eating every account or authority or executive that was at

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Speaker 1: the helm of the twenty twenty four twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: financial year, because this is the financial year that the

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Speaker 1: Auditor General has asked, has flagged, has found the findings

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Speaker 1: to relate to one. The CFO is responsible for the

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Speaker 1: records of the of the of the theater. The CFO,

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Speaker 1: the CEO, the Cooh. The whole lot of executives, including

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Speaker 1: the board, are responsible for making sure that they know

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Speaker 1: how the money is being spent and in cases where

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Speaker 1: there are questions around the money, the PSMA makes it

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Speaker 1: very clear counting authorities are supposed to be able to

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Speaker 1: flect this with the Auditor General and be able to

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Speaker 1: constitute consequence management or the association of public funds. This

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Speaker 1: has not happened. They do not even have an internal

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Speaker 1: audit structure that is able to at least the help

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Speaker 1: of the audits a general find out to order what

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Speaker 1: do you mean the money left to the bank account

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Speaker 1: but you do not know where the many when or

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Speaker 1: you can't produce to need proof of where the money is.

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Speaker 2: The Public Protector also looking into this. Tomorrow, I think

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Speaker 2: is the deadline for the submission of the receipts as

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Speaker 2: it were for the submission of documentation. If that deadline

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Speaker 2: is missed or the information is either incomplete or inadequate,

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Speaker 2: what happens next? And does Parliament have any leverage?

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Speaker 1: For Parliament? I wrote to Parliament last week you're requesting

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Speaker 1: an agent meeting on the matter on Sunday. Actually I

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Speaker 1: wrote it to a book asking for an agent meeting

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Speaker 1: on this matter. They responded to me to say that

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Speaker 1: who will meet when we come back from IFTA. And

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Speaker 1: so whether or not they cook the books or produce

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Speaker 1: the truth of of the records, we are meeting with

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Speaker 1: them after they is the break in parliament. That's one

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Speaker 1: number two. I'm still continuing today at ten o'clock to

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Speaker 1: go lay those charges at the kids and perlice station.

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Speaker 2: Against whom will you lay those charges?

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Speaker 1: I said of Gangana is that the charges are laid

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Speaker 1: against the executives and the board of all the.

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Speaker 2: Officials, Yes, all of them.

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Speaker 1: So if one is the escapegoat or the other the

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Speaker 1: actual mastermind, the police and the hawks will force that out,

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Speaker 1: that information and get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 2: What would you like the minister to say around this

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Speaker 2: in terms of any reassurance, if any at all.

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Speaker 1: But there are a number of things right. One, the

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Speaker 1: current administrator of the local government see Times agains Zuzilimbano

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Speaker 1: was the d DJ responsible for skills development during this time.

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Speaker 1: I Wantis Samanamella when he appointed him as the administrator

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Speaker 1: to say, this man has failed to oversee the governance

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Speaker 1: of Sitters for eight years. There's no way he will

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Speaker 1: know how to be an administrator. So the fact that

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Speaker 1: this happened under his watching he did nothing about it

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Speaker 1: is call for concern, and so mustat by actually firing

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Speaker 1: his administrator because he has no accredentials, because it's already

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Speaker 1: failed to even see that sixteen of them, that is

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Speaker 1: seven bring six million rands of the country's many winiteness.

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Speaker 1: And that is step number one, step number two. The

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Speaker 1: DA has always maintained that citis are not contributing towards

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Speaker 1: skills development, they're not contributing towards job creation, they're not

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Speaker 1: contributing towards economic pross in our country. And so the

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Speaker 1: simple solution here is to scrub them. There must be scrupted,

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Speaker 1: and what must happen is that we must have the

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Speaker 1: strengthening of our TV sector. TE does already exists for

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Speaker 1: the sole purpose of technical vocational education and training, and

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Speaker 1: so there's no need to have a duplication in the

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Speaker 1: system when practical education, that is the bridge and gap

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Speaker 1: between the workforce and industry already exists legislatively in the

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Speaker 1: chiev sectem. So the taps of looting for for for

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Speaker 1: corrupt caters with in stus, we don't need orderings one

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Speaker 1: of them. They are a twenty billion rand annuine waste

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Speaker 1: of South Africa's tax payers money and so they must

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Speaker 1: be done with altogether.

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Speaker 2: Whilst I have you on an entirely different matter now,

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Speaker 2: just because you are there, you're officially withdrawn, of course

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Speaker 2: from the DA contest for the Deputy Chairperson of the

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Speaker 2: DA's Federal Council. And that was, of course for all

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Speaker 2: the reasons that were stated at the weekend. Is that

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Speaker 2: a reversible decision, Is that a permanent decision, Is that

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Speaker 2: a final decision? You won't be running.

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Speaker 1: I've moved on a level that it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: It is fine. Mine is not the politics of a position.

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Speaker 1: It's the politics of the Republic of South Africa. That's

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Speaker 1: why even now I'm just working to be the vanguard

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Speaker 1: of the republic. The republics that it wants an anti

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Speaker 1: that is anti corupt that wants a corruption free administration,

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Speaker 1: an administration that performs optimally, it is ethical and professional,

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Speaker 1: it is free of political manipulation, which is yet to

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Speaker 1: be realized as tatters, and that is what I'm focused

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Speaker 1: on right now.

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Speaker 2: Garabo. You were barred from the race because of a

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Speaker 2: dispute around financial standing within the party. You argued that

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Speaker 2: other leaders have been given more grace and the view

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Speaker 2: that many people will have is yet another black DA

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Speaker 2: leader being marginalized. What's your response to that.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, this conversation was not part of

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Speaker 1: the plan. There's the reason why I haven't been taking

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Speaker 1: interviews on this balhand. But I understand you have to

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Speaker 1: do your job. So everything that I had to say

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Speaker 1: in the statement has been said. It's true, it's the

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Speaker 1: bottom line, and there's nothing more other than what I

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Speaker 1: said in the statement that I'm interested to them relate

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Speaker 1: beyond I.

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Speaker 2: Just I just thought, as the national spokesperson of the party,

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Speaker 2: I hear you this view.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate that concern. I really generally do appreciate

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Speaker 1: the concern. But as the national spokesperson, I'm saying to

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Speaker 1: you the statement, at least in my personal capacity as

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Speaker 1: an individual, was enough. It contains enough information on it.

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Speaker 1: If the leadership wants to have a chat, they will

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Speaker 1: have a chat. But Meg, it's got de Loubers thats

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Speaker 1: got about?

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Speaker 2: How how is the Democratic Alliance national spokesperson