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Speaker 1: This is capital.

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Speaker 2: I saw far too many social media posts over this

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Speaker 2: last week and on the celebration around the death of

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Speaker 2: alleged criminals, and as South Africans, I think it's fair

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Speaker 2: to say many of us are desensitized to violence and crime.

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Speaker 2: We see it every day and far too many of

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Speaker 2: us this is simply just our daily experience, particularly if

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Speaker 2: you live in an area that is under police But

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Speaker 2: what about the celebrating of the death of a criminal.

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Speaker 2: Is that a step is that not a step too far?

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Speaker 2: Is it a sign that we are losing our humanity?

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Speaker 2: Some of these questions were raised by Dear Elene James.

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Speaker 2: She is a senior member of the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee

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Speaker 2: on Police. She is now also acron Essays Western Cape Chairperson.

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Speaker 2: Last week, she posted, while driving home, terrible incident occurred

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Speaker 2: almost right in front of us. Here lies the lifeless

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Speaker 2: body of a young boy who was shot and killed

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Speaker 2: on Jake's careful drive after smash and grab incident as

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Speaker 2: he ran into the open field. The motorrous, open fire

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Speaker 2: response from the community as resorts, that's right. Reaction from

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Speaker 2: the kids, they continue to play around the body. The

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Speaker 2: response from law enforcement, well, this happens daily on this strip.

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Speaker 2: Is this really our new norm? Join now on the

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Speaker 2: line by Derri Lee and James. It has been our

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Speaker 2: known for the longest of times, the fed up oversaturation

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Speaker 2: of particularly violent crime, or should I rather say maybe

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Speaker 2: the exposure the perception of violent crime, because remember, not

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Speaker 2: all South Africans are exposed to the realities of many

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Speaker 2: people who live in our townships and our k flats

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Speaker 2: areas Dariling, good morning, good.

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Speaker 1: Morning, and thank you so much for having me and

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Speaker 1: having me up and about so early.

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Speaker 2: Just your thoughts and your experience. And you're an MP,

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Speaker 2: a member of the Police Portfolio Committee who I from

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Speaker 2: what I understand, not once but twice this week and

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Speaker 2: experiencing the aftermaths of smashing grabs, particularly on Jake's Airvil.

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Speaker 1: It's not even twice, it's just with both these incidents,

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Speaker 1: I actually decided to get out of my vehicle and

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Speaker 1: actually just bring some awareness to this issue. I think

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Speaker 1: when I just came to Cape Down. Whenever I drive

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Speaker 1: through that strip, there's a smashing crab. You when you

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Speaker 1: drive through that strip, even if you don't see the

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Speaker 1: witness the smashion crab, there's always sort of glass lying

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Speaker 1: on the road there in December time, I think we

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Speaker 1: had some family members over and we were sort of

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Speaker 1: driving in front of them and lo and behold there

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Speaker 1: was a smashing crab behind us. You know, our family

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Speaker 1: member was quite shaken up. They took her bag. And

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Speaker 1: then again this week. So whenever I drive through that strip,

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Speaker 1: I literally tell my and everyone in the car, okay, now,

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Speaker 1: it's like, we just be alert, we'd be vigilant. We

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Speaker 1: put away our stuff, you put your phone under the seat.

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Speaker 1: And it's been going on like that for the longest

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Speaker 1: time until the other day when we drove past and

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Speaker 1: there was this lifeless bodyline and I decided to get

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Speaker 1: out of my vehicle and just ask the guys what

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Speaker 1: had happened. You know, you see it happened, but you

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Speaker 1: year and you see there's something happening, a commotion in

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Speaker 1: the traffic, but you're not actually sure where it's coming from.

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Speaker 1: And then actually when I got out, they said, no,

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Speaker 1: the vehicle in front of us, actually someone just got

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Speaker 1: out of their vehicle after the smashing grab incident and

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Speaker 1: shot this boy. But was what was shocking for me

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Speaker 1: were the many kids almost playing around the body. That's

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Speaker 1: that's not meant to be a norm. What was shocking

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Speaker 1: for me was the community saying, as a rest you know,

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Speaker 1: so would they much rather have their children shot and killed?

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Speaker 1: Or would they point out these criminals and sort of

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Speaker 1: report them?

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Speaker 2: Because if I look at the facts of the Matteria,

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Speaker 2: and again before people call me a crime apologist here,

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Speaker 2: but if I look at the facts of the matter,

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Speaker 2: and Yaws you describe as someone who had ran away

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Speaker 2: from a scene, a motress getting out of its car,

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Speaker 2: opening shots, opening fire at someone fleeing a scene. The

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Speaker 2: way you describe that, that is murdy. You're only supposed

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Speaker 2: to defend yourself if your life is directly at risk.

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Speaker 2: There were two crimes then committed in this instances, Dearly.

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Speaker 1: You know, definitely the fact that he was shooting. This

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Speaker 1: is what we were discussing the vehicle driving home, and

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Speaker 1: I almost said that, you know what, it would be

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Speaker 1: said that this guy, he did not protect himself. He

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Speaker 1: basically shot and killed someone who was running away from

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Speaker 1: the crime scene. But also you know what, you have

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Speaker 1: to wait, you know, to see happening here. We heard

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Speaker 1: in December how our lady was also murdered on this strip,

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Speaker 1: and who knows if it wasn't the first, the second,

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Speaker 1: this motorist and you just thought, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 1: now hat full of this incident. I'm gonna I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do something because I actually want to visit the

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Speaker 1: local police station and just find out how many of

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Speaker 1: these cases actually get reported and how many of these

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Speaker 1: cases are actually being investigated, because you see law enforcement

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Speaker 1: there every day when I drive past there, but these

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Speaker 1: incidents continue to happen.

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Speaker 2: I dropped the stats from the third quarter twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. We have this this interesting way of

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Speaker 2: classifying murder cases, arguments and misunderstandings. That's forty four percent.

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Speaker 2: That speaks to me in that South Africans don't know

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Speaker 2: how to handle a great they don't know how to

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Speaker 2: handle interpersonal behavior. And then vigilantic killings, mob justice communities

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Speaker 2: taking the law into their own hands. That's thirteen percent

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Speaker 2: of the number of reported murders in South Africa. If

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Speaker 2: we deal with vigilantic killings and we deal with people's

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Speaker 2: relations with each other, we have crime by more than

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Speaker 2: fifty percent in this country. It's so bizarre that how

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Speaker 2: the metric of how we fear crime can be evaporated

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Speaker 2: almost immediately if we just deal with how communities interact

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Speaker 2: with violence, but then also how we intact with each other.

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Speaker 2: There's a sociological problem, not a criminal logical problem in

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Speaker 2: South Africa.

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Speaker 3: Dearly, Yes, there's a lot, you know, when one looks

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Speaker 3: at the deeper issues here, the social issues. If you

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Speaker 3: look at the socio economic challenges within our communities, what

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Speaker 3: has unfolded days just as a result of someone just

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Speaker 3: going and smashing and grabbing. If you also look at

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Speaker 3: the fact that you know, but communities have had enough

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Speaker 3: of reporting incidents to steps and just nothing happens to

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Speaker 3: their cases.

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Speaker 1: This has literally become the norm in our country. Communities

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Speaker 1: have lost faith based if you heard and what is

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Speaker 1: happening and what came out of the ADDOC and Madlanga commission,

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Speaker 1: you know, where you find that the ones that's meant

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Speaker 1: to serve and protect us are actually the ones embroiled

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Speaker 1: in all of these crimes. So obviously, when you year

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Speaker 1: about cases such as mob justice, when you're calling the

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Speaker 1: police station and they're taking hours to respond, sometimes not

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Speaker 1: even respond, this is why communities and I'm not condoning this.

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Speaker 1: But this is why communities are We are seeing acts

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Speaker 1: of mob justice unfolding in our communities, and we see

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Speaker 1: incidents such as motorists returning opening fire on criminals on

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Speaker 1: Jake's hadlock. Because whether you report these incidents or not,

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Speaker 1: you know, it just goes like like nothing gets done

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Speaker 1: about it. So I understand that we also have deeper

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Speaker 1: issues in our community that has basically led to what

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Speaker 1: we see unfolding now, heightened crime, kids getting embroiled in

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Speaker 1: gangs and so forth, the social and economic challenges within

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Speaker 1: our families.

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Speaker 2: Very quickly we have we have thirty six, we have

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Speaker 2: thirty seconds. Derylyn you now the chairperson of Action Essay

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Speaker 2: in the Western Cape Your thoughts on the City of

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Speaker 2: Cape Town last week and its budget proposing one hundred

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Speaker 2: and forteen million rant for some sort of into edge

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Speaker 2: project what's been known as the end to Barrier Wall.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts in that project in trying to curbor address

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Speaker 2: smash and grabs violence on the end too?

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Speaker 1: Family walls are we going to have to build? Are

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Speaker 1: we going to have to build walls around the entire

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Speaker 1: Cape Town? How sustainable is that? Which side of the

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Speaker 1: wall are we're actually protecting. Are we protecting both sides

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Speaker 1: or are we just protecting one side? That is my view.

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Speaker 2: DERYLN. Janes really appreciate your time. She is a member

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Speaker 2: of Parliament's Portfolio Committee on Police