Speaker 1: All right, My next guest wears many many hats. Comedian, singer, songwriter, sketchwriter,
Speaker 1: filmmaker award winner, and she's passionate about sharing stories that
Speaker 1: reflect the African experience beyond the stereotypes. Born in the DRC,
Speaker 1: raised in South Africa, has spent time in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and now it's back here. Her work is really a
Speaker 1: candid and very very funny look at identity belonging the
Speaker 1: African diaspora experience, and her solo musical stand up show
Speaker 1: Bad African recently won the Standard Bank Ofation Award at
Speaker 1: the National Arts Festival in Makanda. I am thrilled to
Speaker 1: welcome Selene Chica two Weekend Breakfast.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I've wanted to have you on the show for so long,
Speaker 1: and in fact, I think my friend Nina said.
Speaker 2: You've got to get her on. You've got to get
Speaker 2: her on so long. So there we are.
Speaker 3: She's here.
Speaker 2: Nina.
Speaker 1: You've got such a fascinating background, interested by how we
Speaker 1: end up all over the world as Africans and what
Speaker 1: that means, and how we moved through parts of the
Speaker 1: world as African people, particularly as African women born in
Speaker 1: the day, I see, yeah, right, okay, And at what
Speaker 1: point did you leave?
Speaker 3: I left. I was the youngest, so I was a
Speaker 3: baby when we left. I only went back for about
Speaker 3: a year when I was between thirteen and fourteen, and
Speaker 3: then I would go back because I made friends and
Speaker 3: I'd go back on holidays. But I am South African.
Speaker 3: I grew up here. I grew up in Johannesburg, right, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: so that is my story. I'm the last born of four,
Speaker 3: so yeah. My siblings have more of an experience of
Speaker 3: you know, being children and being young in Congo. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I only have the I guess the teenage experience.
Speaker 2: Right yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then in terms of you as a as a
Speaker 1: young person growing up in joe Burg, what was your
Speaker 1: what what was your thing?
Speaker 2: What was it? Were you always writing? Performing?
Speaker 3: Yes? But I was. I grew up quite a shy kid.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so I didn't like acting. Was not in
Speaker 3: the realm of possibility for me. I wasn't. I was
Speaker 3: like the drama kids are outgoing kids, not me. But
Speaker 3: I really loved dancing. That was the first creative thing
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed. And then I started singing and then writing,
Speaker 3: So yeah, it came to me quite late, and it
Speaker 3: was only in high school, like in my trick, that
Speaker 3: I thought I really have enjoyed this drama thing. I
Speaker 3: think I wanted, I want to act. But yeah, but
Speaker 3: then you know, the parents worked very hard sent me
Speaker 3: to that school. Yeah, you're gonna have to get a
Speaker 3: real degree first, please, So yeah, So then I got
Speaker 3: the engineering degree. It was very hard not to drive
Speaker 3: out eventually.
Speaker 1: Hey, like when you're when you're doing that, when you're
Speaker 1: doing the engineering degree, you're just not.
Speaker 3: In the first two years, Yes, I think I was
Speaker 3: in my like.
Speaker 2: Apart from the fear of your black parents.
Speaker 3: Mostly the fear of the black parents, I must say,
Speaker 3: and my older siblings being like humbling me, like I
Speaker 3: don't know who you think you are, but we all
Speaker 3: have to do this, so you know that's I respect that.
Speaker 3: But I think I did. I do really enjoy I
Speaker 3: did enjoy science in school, so you know, there was
Speaker 3: a part of me that did find the joy in engineering.
Speaker 3: And then by the time after second year, I'd threatened to,
Speaker 3: you know, drop out so many times that I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm halfway, I might as well see it through. And
Speaker 3: the exchange was that then I could then they would
Speaker 3: support me and going to film school. So yeah, it
Speaker 3: was kind of like we need this so that we
Speaker 3: feel better about like what the job that we did
Speaker 3: for our kids, and then you can do what you want.
Speaker 2: So I'm fascinated by the comedy.
Speaker 1: I think comedy is such an interesting, such an interesting
Speaker 1: thing for me because the end product, the end product
Speaker 1: of the comedy is the laughter. Yeah, but there's so
Speaker 1: much psychology. Yeah, it's for that point, Like an awful
Speaker 1: lot of the commit I've interviewed many comedians in my time.
Speaker 2: An awful lot of them are miserable.
Speaker 1: But oh but by their own admission, like manic depress it,
Speaker 1: you know, like dealing with some serious mental health staff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't really like people a lot and criticism because I
Speaker 1: relate quite hard to a lot of that. But just this,
Speaker 1: it's such a it's such a juxtaposition of the end
Speaker 1: result being that you are bringing joy and laughter to
Speaker 1: another human being, but the process to.
Speaker 3: Get Yeah, And I think that's because of it's the observation,
Speaker 3: you know, Like I think anyone who you know is
Speaker 3: a comedian is observing society and is noticing things so
Speaker 3: that we can make fun of them. And you know,
Speaker 3: there's a downside to noticing things is that you you're
Speaker 3: affected by them, like oh that's you know, that's really
Speaker 3: horrible that's happening, or that that happens. How can I
Speaker 3: feel better about it, you know, is to find the
Speaker 3: irony in it and all that. But yeah, it is
Speaker 3: very interesting about comedians and I uh, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not beating the stereotypes. There definitely also struggle with mental health,
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's mostly from that. And I think particularly
Speaker 3: with like satire, when you're you know, you're poking fun
Speaker 3: at you know, people in power and all that, that
Speaker 3: is just about paying attention and that's not fun. I'm
Speaker 3: almost like, know what's going on right.
Speaker 2: Right in terms of that, like who who were you?
Speaker 1: Who were you looking at when you were kind of
Speaker 1: coming up as inform.
Speaker 3: Or you know. Yeah, I think in terms of my
Speaker 3: comedy journey is quite long. But I think the first
Speaker 3: thing I ever watched was Chewing Gum by Mikaela Cole
Speaker 3: where I really felt represented for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a Netflix show and I think seeing someone
Speaker 3: who was of African descent as well starring in a
Speaker 3: comedy and it was so silly and her mom looked
Speaker 3: like it is Yeah, and that was it was Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, I'd never thought of screenwriting. I'd never thought
Speaker 3: of writing comedy at all. And then from there there
Speaker 3: was Tina Fey as well with Unbreakable Commishiment, and that
Speaker 3: was there was a whole episode that was just a mockumentary,
Speaker 3: and I think that was when it really clicked for me, like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is the kind of comedy I want to do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I did a lot of little satirical
Speaker 3: like sketches. Yeah, and it's all from before. It was
Speaker 3: just like poking fun of gender norms, you know, Like
Speaker 3: I did a sketch called Stank Like a Man that
Speaker 3: was just like a masculinity affirming body wash that was
Speaker 3: just kind of making fun about why do we need
Speaker 3: to have like cool sport rush, you know, like as
Speaker 3: a as a flavor profile for men's body wash. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it was just like fun to kind of poke
Speaker 3: fun at things like that. And yeah, and then stand
Speaker 3: up was kind of the last thing for me to think, Oh, Okay,
Speaker 3: I think that's something I want to try as well.
Speaker 3: So it's a different form of comedic storytelling, right, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to me about the stand up because again
Speaker 1: that that is a that is an area of performance
Speaker 1: that makes me sweat.
Speaker 3: I do understand.
Speaker 1: It's so remarkable to me. I think there's anything I'd
Speaker 1: rather do. And I consider myself to be quite a
Speaker 1: funny person. But she said modestly, But that's not it.
Speaker 1: It's not about are you a funny persons? Again, the
Speaker 1: psychology behind it, and the psychology of standing on stage
Speaker 1: and doing one of the hardest things on earth to
Speaker 1: make another connect with somebody in a way that what
Speaker 1: you're saying connects with something relatable, the observation thing, which
Speaker 1: then forces them to force them.
Speaker 2: To a lot like that. There's so much pressure in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is, for sure, it is. It is scary,
Speaker 3: and in the end of time, I think that's not
Speaker 3: that scary. Five minutes before I'm on stage, I think,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, my gosh, am I doing this? Why
Speaker 3: I'm doing this? One of this could go so terribly
Speaker 3: every single time that I don't know that's ever going
Speaker 3: to go away because it could go terribly, you know it. Really,
Speaker 3: it's always definitely, Yeah, it's part of like we call
Speaker 3: it dying on stage. Yeah, part of it is is
Speaker 3: just part of the job. Sometimes you will be haunted
Speaker 3: by it four days to come and you won't want
Speaker 3: to leave the house. And then eventually you'll think, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: you know I'm still funny. Technically, hopefully someone will.
Speaker 1: I'm still I wonder to what degree you like, what's
Speaker 1: the what's.
Speaker 2: The turnaround time from a bad show?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the hope. Actually the cure for that is to
Speaker 3: just do another show, to just go go deserving us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel sick talking about that's that's how much
Speaker 1: I promise you.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm about that.
Speaker 1: It's like you said to me, well in five minutes time,
Speaker 1: you're going to go on before I need to talk
Speaker 1: myself off the ledge because it's fine.
Speaker 3: I don't have to do this.
Speaker 2: This is where I am. It's all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I think that, you know, people laugh
Speaker 3: for so many different reasons. It's not always like haha,
Speaker 3: that's funny. You know. Sometimes you just fully understand that
Speaker 3: experience and so that's why you laugh. And sometimes you
Speaker 3: like the person that's why you laugh. You know. There's
Speaker 3: there's so many reasons that someone would laugh. Sometimes they
Speaker 3: might find something funny, but they're here with someone and
Speaker 3: they worried about what they're going to think, and you know,
Speaker 3: there's there's so many aspects to it. So I think
Speaker 3: it's just you don't know what you're going to get. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and there's a little bit of fun in the risk.
Speaker 3: I think, I just you know, let's try it out.
Speaker 3: Might work out, might not. But I think just telling
Speaker 3: a story, you know, if you find the joy in
Speaker 3: telling a story and sharing a thought perspective. I think
Speaker 3: when I started treating open mics as like a feedback session,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to try a new joke, I
Speaker 3: have no idea if it's gonna work. Okay, they laughed
Speaker 3: at that part and not at that part. Okay, let
Speaker 3: me go home and cut out the other one and
Speaker 3: change this.
Speaker 1: And to what extent does your audience determine? To what
Speaker 1: extent does your does your audience determine where you.
Speaker 2: Explore your work further?
Speaker 3: I think that is I guess what I want to say.
Speaker 3: What the audience will tell me with laughing or not laughing,
Speaker 3: is like they relate to this or they don't.
Speaker 2: Relate to this African context.
Speaker 1: That's gonna change, depending yes, depending on where.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely for sure. So I think that's why it's
Speaker 3: a numbers game. It's just you go do all these
Speaker 3: open mics, you go to you know, perform all these
Speaker 3: shows so you get a good perspective of Okay, seven
Speaker 3: different audiences laughed at that part. None of them laughed
Speaker 3: at this part. Okay, let's maybe reconsider. So I think,
Speaker 3: you know, like I would say that artists and comedians
Speaker 3: and stuff, we reflect society. You know, we reflect where
Speaker 3: we're at. So if I'm experiencing something in the last
Speaker 3: year or two and I want to talk about the
Speaker 3: chances that someone else has experienced it as well, and
Speaker 3: it's just about finding the best way to tell the
Speaker 3: story and making sure that the joker is on the
Speaker 3: right person, you know, the jokers. Yeah, but there's also
Speaker 3: just an art to the performance of emphasizing a particular
Speaker 3: word or syllable or you know, saying things in a
Speaker 3: particular way. There's so many nuancewers to it. So I
Speaker 3: think there's always this like endless way of improving your
Speaker 3: set that Yeah, it can be a really fun experience.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to what you just said
Speaker 1: there to make sure the joke is on the right person.
Speaker 1: That's another This is Another conversation I love having with
Speaker 1: comedians is around.
Speaker 2: What's okay, what's not okay?
Speaker 1: How How I look at stuff that I laughed at
Speaker 1: and found funny fifteen years ago, and.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's not okay. Yes, yeah, it makes
Speaker 2: me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Like there's some early kind of Ricky Gervat's stuff that
Speaker 1: I'm like, actually agree with that and find that funny.
Speaker 2: I find that ridiculous or whatever, and I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: I think it's okay to be self reflective in what
Speaker 1: is you know, and you grow and you change and
Speaker 1: things become but where do you how how has your
Speaker 1: what's your barometer?
Speaker 3: Hmmm? I think that okay. Well, humor changes over time, right,
Speaker 3: and that's okay, That's that's normal. And you know, things
Speaker 3: jokes I'm making today are just not going to be
Speaker 3: that funny in fifteen years, right. So I think it's
Speaker 3: just about adapting and yeah, understanding that we have different
Speaker 3: conversations as society, so you know, we're just more aware
Speaker 3: of certain issues. So there was even a joke I
Speaker 3: had written about Congo, you know, just about like electricity
Speaker 3: in Congo versus South Africa, you know, and when you know,
Speaker 3: more people started finding out about, you know, the situation
Speaker 3: in Congo, I thought I had to reconsider how I
Speaker 3: was telling this joke so I could make sure that
Speaker 3: the nuance was there, you know that It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: now I'm no longer talking about a country that like
Speaker 3: no one knows anything about. Yeah, more, it's not just
Speaker 3: thing that me and my family and my community know.
Speaker 3: A lot more people are understanding, so the tendency will
Speaker 3: be a bit more compassionate. It won't be like, ah,
Speaker 3: this random country in Africa as oh, no, I know
Speaker 3: what's happening. I read a news story, you know, so yeah,
Speaker 3: I need to be just a lot more careful about
Speaker 3: how I tell that story so that I I allow
Speaker 3: them to feel safe enough to laugh, you know, as
Speaker 3: opposed to yeah, but how I frame the story so
Speaker 3: that they understand that I'm not I know what I'm
Speaker 3: making fun of, and it's not Congolese people or you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's it's Yeah, making sure the joke is on
Speaker 3: the right person is always just about And that's how
Speaker 3: that's the basis of satire is is that it's the
Speaker 3: powerful people that you need to be making fun of.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're if you're comparing to population groups,
Speaker 3: the more powerful one is the one that the joke
Speaker 3: needs to land on, right, because not the vulnerable community,
Speaker 3: because then that's just bullying, right, you see?
Speaker 1: And this is I was there was some debate around
Speaker 1: an issue, an issue to do with I can't even
Speaker 1: know who it was, had told a joke. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say a trans joke. It wasn't a trans joke.
Speaker 1: It was it was a joke in which trans people
Speaker 1: were spoken about, and and and the comedian and I
Speaker 1: can't remember who it was. Well, just because you're offender
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's not still funny. It's like, but
Speaker 1: what you're doing there is you are?
Speaker 2: You are?
Speaker 1: The first of all was it wasn't funny, But the
Speaker 1: second of all, like you are, you are making a
Speaker 1: marginalized group and you're you're making the joke about their
Speaker 1: their life experience.
Speaker 2: I can't find that funny.
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't think that's okay. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a I'm not saying that there can't be joke
Speaker 1: jokes about being chance. That can't be funny. That isn't
Speaker 1: one of them. Yes, right, and and like you say,
Speaker 1: it's all about nuanced, right, And I'm fining trance because
Speaker 1: this was the thing, but I mean it could be anything, race, gender, yes,
Speaker 1: whatever the story may be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. And especially if you are not in
Speaker 3: that pretty that community, it's you have to be really
Speaker 3: very careful. Yeah, exactly. They are at least one straight
Speaker 3: comedian who made a really good trance joke because it
Speaker 3: wasn't about the person being trans. It was like the
Speaker 3: joke landed at the right place. And a lot of
Speaker 3: times I find people laugh out of relief because when
Speaker 3: he starts talking about it, they tense up. They're like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: what is the straight man gonna say about a trans person?
Speaker 3: And then he makes the joke lands at the right place,
Speaker 3: and everyone's just like kind of exhaled. Right, So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just about nuance. It's just if people can see that,
Speaker 3: you see the humanity in this in this group, you
Speaker 3: understand the struggle, and you know, you know that's you're
Speaker 3: you're not speaking against them, You're not you're not encouraging
Speaker 3: people to, you know, perpetuate stereotypes about them.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Tell me about your time in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: Right, I had a great time. Let's say I did.
Speaker 3: It was like weird, but just about two years. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I did a very truncated one year acting for
Speaker 3: film course and then where did you say, I stayed
Speaker 3: in Burbank? Yeah, yeah, so and then I stayed for
Speaker 3: a year and it was it was really good. I
Speaker 3: think that. I it was obviously my first time studying
Speaker 3: something I intended on using, so that was something new.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, this is a new feeling.
Speaker 3: I want to do my own work. And then it
Speaker 3: was do you have me like a very interesting experience
Speaker 3: with you know, American stereotypes of African people. So I
Speaker 3: think that so that's why I started my web series
Speaker 3: about those encounters that I had. There were it was
Speaker 3: pretty sad sometimes, I think hearing you know, like I
Speaker 3: was in it. I was getting my hairs done and
Speaker 3: the hair dresser's daughter was there just like helping to
Speaker 3: undo my hair, and she was asking me these questions
Speaker 3: were so ignorant about South Africa, like like the basic
Speaker 3: things that you know ten years like coming to America
Speaker 3: kind of humor, and you know, that was just very
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, is this the education system here? Like
Speaker 3: you don't know that we also have music. It was
Speaker 3: it was Wow, it really was And I was like,
Speaker 3: am I in a sketch right now? You're like, is
Speaker 3: this happening to me? So I think it was definitely
Speaker 3: a source of inspiration for, you know, a series to write.
Speaker 2: But what did you like about LA? What did you
Speaker 2: what did you enjoy?
Speaker 3: I like that. I guess my identity wasn't so much
Speaker 3: in question, like in terms of like everyone is from somewhere,
Speaker 3: and I think that that was I enjoyed that is
Speaker 3: that everyone has like a different story and everyone just
Speaker 3: comes here to just you know, figure out what they want.
Speaker 3: And I really really enjoyed that. So yeah, it was
Speaker 3: nice to just be It was definitely a big filmmaking community,
Speaker 3: a big independent filmmaking community, so people are just keen
Speaker 3: to hop onto projects and help out and that was
Speaker 3: that was very very cool. So I think when I
Speaker 3: put out my web series, just a lot of people
Speaker 3: somehow found me on the Internet and then just were like, Hey,
Speaker 3: do you want I can take photos for you on
Speaker 3: your on your next shoot. I can do this, I
Speaker 3: can do that. And it was a really great experience
Speaker 3: of just finding the right people and them sending me
Speaker 3: opportunities and sending me stuff. So it just felt very supportive.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I must talk about the Standard Bank Ovation Award
Speaker 1: for Bad African, which was the National Arts Festival.
Speaker 2: Did you did you think you were going to win? Honestly?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my director thought I was gonna win. Okay, I'll
Speaker 3: say that. Sophie Jones, she's one.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love Sophie.
Speaker 3: It was so wonderful, wonderful working with her, and she
Speaker 3: has faith in me, and I really appreciate it because
Speaker 3: I think that really kept me going through this whole process.
Speaker 3: There were definitely times of writing the show that I thought,
Speaker 3: I mean, I know what I was trying to say,
Speaker 3: I don't know how I'm going to say it, and yeah,
Speaker 3: but I think it was. It did mean a lot
Speaker 3: to be acknowledged, and yeah, it did was. It was
Speaker 3: quite something.
Speaker 1: So what is how does it help you? I don't
Speaker 1: mean that in a cynical way, but how does it
Speaker 1: help you?
Speaker 3: Right? It's it's validation, you know, it's just okay, cool,
Speaker 3: I'm on the right track.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Even though the show in my eyes isn't perfect, it
Speaker 3: isn't exactly where I wanted to be. They see what
Speaker 3: I was saying and they like hopped on board and
Speaker 3: they said yes, and that that's just a great feeling,
Speaker 3: you know that it's Yeah, it was quite a journey
Speaker 3: to get it to this place. So it was just
Speaker 3: affirming that what it is that I want to say
Speaker 3: through the show, it's it's hitting and yeah, and that
Speaker 3: was that was really wonderful, especially because my story has
Speaker 3: a very pan African message. Yeah, and and yeah, and
Speaker 3: I think that it could be validating to anyone really
Speaker 3: in the global South and anyone in the diaspora. So
Speaker 3: it just felt it's great to be recognized. I think assib.
Speaker 1: By Selin chickens in the studio with us as our
Speaker 1: profile guests this morning. What are you enjoying entertainment wise,
Speaker 1: whether it be musically, whether it be television, whether it
Speaker 1: be film. What is tickling your fancy at the moment?
Speaker 3: Hmmm, film, film, film, I really okay, it's not at
Speaker 3: the moment, but I really did enjoy Centers. I watched
Speaker 3: The Studio as well on Apple TV. That was absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: The studio.
Speaker 3: The Studio. Yeah, it's a it's like a satire show
Speaker 3: by Seth Rogen about like oh yeah, about I guess
Speaker 3: the process of getting things made like a big studio,
Speaker 3: a big commercial studio.
Speaker 2: What about this? The other day was saying there was
Speaker 2: a role on the floor fun.
Speaker 3: Really it is such good satire. It is just incredible.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. So yeah, okay, I would definitely
Speaker 3: recommend that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, somebody had actually said to me that I
Speaker 1: needed Who was that, I can't remember it said that
Speaker 1: I needed it.
Speaker 2: And as soon as I'm so late to that policy.
Speaker 3: It's you know what, it's never too late. You can
Speaker 3: find it. You can find it, you will enjoy it,
Speaker 3: you'll be converted, you will have your life changed. I mean,
Speaker 3: watching it in a cinema was incredible. It was really
Speaker 3: really incredible. But but it's it's so it's such fantastic
Speaker 3: film making. And I must say that I don't want
Speaker 3: to pretend like I am just someone who only has
Speaker 3: the most exquisite taste. I have been strongly encouraged to
Speaker 3: switch off at night by watching reality TV, and I
Speaker 3: must say it's really good relaxation, you know, because I think,
Speaker 3: being a filmmaker, it's so hard to just fully enjoy
Speaker 3: something right, And sometimes when I just watch reality TV,
Speaker 3: I think, oh, oh my gosh, this is so stupid.
Speaker 3: This is a amazing I'm not thinking about my work
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: What do you watch?
Speaker 3: I was watching the ultimatum?
Speaker 2: Do I even know what that is?
Speaker 3: The ultimatum is like marry or move on. So couples,
Speaker 3: one of them wants to get married, another one doesn't.
Speaker 2: Healthy.
Speaker 3: It's so healthy, it's great. It's clearly they are all
Speaker 3: on the right track. They are in this relationship for
Speaker 3: the right reasons. On the show, for the right reasons.
Speaker 3: It is the purest of intentions, of course, and can't
Speaker 3: help it support.
Speaker 2: Can I agree with you on this? Though not so
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here like hi brow Sally.
Speaker 1: But the fact that is, I had this conversation about
Speaker 1: a year ago. What was the thing that we were
Speaker 1: talking about? Not Love Ireland. There's another one where your
Speaker 1: love was blind, Love is Blind? It was love is Blind?
Speaker 1: And our TV and movie review was going to do
Speaker 1: it one week and I thought, I really, it's not
Speaker 1: my thing, but I'll give it a watch.
Speaker 3: Whipped I mean, really compelling television. I was like, I
Speaker 3: am I'm sad. I'm sitting here and I'm watching this
Speaker 3: and I'm wow, I'm engaged.
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was possible to have such vehement
Speaker 1: feelings of hatred towards people, but I've never.
Speaker 3: Met mindless entertainment.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 3: No, I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm in for life. It has been so good having
Speaker 1: you in. I'm so glad I Nina, she's here.
Speaker 2: I did it. What's next for you?
Speaker 3: I am. I'm in a few writers' rooms. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I helped to co develop a skeared show, hoping that
Speaker 3: that goes somewhere. I am also starting a political comedy
Speaker 3: show that is in the works, so yeah, so that
Speaker 3: is really I'm having a lot of fun working on that,
Speaker 3: so I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that as well.
Speaker 1: It's absolute treat, really, I absolutely loved this conversation.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Anytime. You're welcome here anytime.