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Speaker 1: How has this been viewed by people who've actually been

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Speaker 1: whistleblowers themselves. Patricia Machallo worked in the admin section of

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Speaker 1: the South African Police Service in the Free State Province.

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Speaker 1: She noticed things that she felt ought to be brought

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Speaker 1: into the light of day, and she paid a significant

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Speaker 1: price for that, being dismissed from her job in February

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and facing threats, she and members of

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Speaker 1: her family went into hiding. She joins us now on

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Speaker 1: seven oh two. Drive this man, Charlotte, Welcome and thanks

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Speaker 1: very much for giving us your time. So once again

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Speaker 1: we have an intention from government to give people like

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Speaker 1: yourself greater protection and to make sure that what you're

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Speaker 1: trying to bring into the light of day actually does

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Speaker 1: see the light of day. Well, what do you think

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Speaker 1: a bill, this bill or any other bill needs to

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Speaker 1: make its most important priority? What would have helped you

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Speaker 1: the most? Good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, John, and thank you so much to it

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Speaker 2: for having me a John. Always the most important thing

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Speaker 2: is the protection of what's all blowers, because the wars

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Speaker 2: all blowers are actually the people who are exposing order rot.

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Speaker 2: So if the wors all blowers are not protected, there's

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Speaker 2: no information. Remember, without wors all blowers, there's no information.

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Speaker 2: So the most important thing, the first thing that they

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Speaker 2: should do is to protect the worst of blowers because

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Speaker 2: currently insult everybody, is absolutely no form of protection for

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Speaker 2: worsfow blowers.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, when you speak of protection, miss Michelle,

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Speaker 1: I mean the one is obviously to protect your job security.

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Speaker 1: The others to protect your physical safety and the safety

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Speaker 1: of your loved ones or colleagues if perhaps they're facing through.

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Speaker 1: But what struck me is the other way to protect

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Speaker 1: you is for there to be quick and effective consequences

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Speaker 1: for the people who have committed the crimes that you're

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Speaker 1: trying to expose. I mean, isn't that ultimately what's going

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Speaker 1: to make the biggest difference if you bring something to

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Speaker 1: the light of day and John and his colleagues who

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Speaker 1: have been ripping the SAPs or anybody else of actually

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Speaker 1: find themselves in court.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course that also that is also one

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Speaker 2: of the most things, because it also doesn't help that

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Speaker 2: the words of blower is out there. The words a

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Speaker 2: blower may the protected disclosure. The information is our information

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Speaker 2: has been investigated by the person whom I blew there

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Speaker 2: was in my situation, all the people whom I blew

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Speaker 2: the whistle against are still in the same positions of power,

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't help. Those people must be dealt with

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Speaker 2: expeditiously as soon as possible, because we're then still there.

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Speaker 2: There's though, doesn't of.

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Speaker 1: Any pose in terms of what you've learned. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a question I'm sure you've been asked performers machalet.

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Speaker 1: Given all the consequences that followed from your taking a stand,

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Speaker 1: there must have been people who said to you was

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Speaker 1: it worth it? Would you do it again? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what would your answer be?

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Speaker 2: I would do it again. It was worth it. I

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Speaker 2: managed to save some life. Can I say, because I

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Speaker 2: remember whether there's functional police service, there's no service delivery.

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Speaker 2: People die because there's no vehicle to go out and

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Speaker 2: asserted victims. So yes, I would do it again, because

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Speaker 2: it's evident it is the writing to do that. People

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Speaker 2: should not actually ask themselves their question, will I do

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Speaker 2: the right thing?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: You must. You must actually have a conscience to do

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Speaker 2: the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Patricia Marshale whistleblower herself. She was

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Speaker 1: employed in the Free State as an administrative office in

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Speaker 1: the South African Police Service. She began exposing what she

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Speaker 1: felt were suspicious and unlawful activities, and was eventually fired

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Speaker 1: from her job in February twenty twenty two. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: have a story as a whistleblower or a family member

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Speaker 1: perhaps who took a stand in the place where they work.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be only in the workplace. There

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Speaker 1: are whistleblowers who act in religious organizations, sporting bodies, and

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Speaker 1: community organizations, maybe even in body corporates. I mean that

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Speaker 1: there are issues that arise in the place where people live.

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Speaker 1: So give us a call if you've had experience and

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