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Speaker 1: Everything you need to start your day. We all have

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Speaker 1: a voice.

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Speaker 2: six seven, join the conversation on KA Talk and by

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Speaker 2: Sunday night we will have a new Democratic Alliance leadership.

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Speaker 2: They go to a Federal Congress this week and it's

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Speaker 2: not just about choosing a new leader. It's a full

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Speaker 2: leadership reset across multiple power centers in the party. While

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Speaker 2: the spotlight will be the most slightly almost guaranteed elevation

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Speaker 2: of jordanill Lewis the Cape Town mayor to replace John

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Speaker 2: stirnas In, there are at least five other top national

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Speaker 2: positions being contested. Crucially, it's also power behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: that's also up for grabs. The chair of the Federal

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Speaker 2: Council currently held by Helen Zilla, the Deputy chairs, the

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Speaker 2: finance structures that all shapes the strategy, the candidates selection,

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Speaker 2: the internal discipline of the second largest party in South Africa.

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Speaker 2: Political analyst Professor Susan Boyce and joins me on the line,

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Speaker 2: just how much of wadorship Congress is this for the

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Speaker 2: Democratically Alliance new leadership will be about contesting twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six months, also about contesting twenty twenty nine. Good morning Suzann,

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Speaker 2: Good morning Vesta.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed this is a big moment for the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Alliance political party wise. It does to show that it

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Speaker 1: adjusts to that it's running with a new leadership, a

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Speaker 1: new leadership. Simultaneously, all I have a huge task of

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Speaker 1: pointing the DA's for the future directions, not just in

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Speaker 1: relation to the provincial, non national and before that local

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Speaker 1: government elections, but showing that in these elections to DA

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Speaker 1: can grow beyond the twenty percent range it has been

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Speaker 1: stuck for a number of elections. Now this is a

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Speaker 1: big task for the DA because it will have to

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Speaker 1: show that it has set down proper routes or is

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Speaker 1: setting down proper routes in beyond the minority communities South

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Speaker 1: South Africa. And that will be a character change, which

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Speaker 1: of course will also then coincide with the departure of

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Speaker 1: Helen Zenna after some formidable runs. She has dominated DA

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Speaker 1: politics for about at least two decades and she's risen

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Speaker 1: not just through the government. Possessions are Mayor of Cape Town,

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Speaker 1: Western Cape Premier, National Leader, National Council leader, all of

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Speaker 1: these have been in a mix. So it will be

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Speaker 1: a big change where for a change she heard her

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Speaker 1: name is not in a mix.

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Speaker 2: With the greatest of respect and well done to the

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Speaker 2: young man super Cisodio Nazi who has thrown his hat

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Speaker 2: into the ring for the DA federal leadership. He argued, well,

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Speaker 2: no position should go and contested. Shouldn't be an anointing

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Speaker 2: of Jordania Lewis. He should contest, but let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: By by Sunday night we will have a new DA leading.

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Speaker 2: Jordania Lewis a thirty nine year old South Africa, a

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Speaker 2: born free who in nineteen ninety four was probably about

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Speaker 2: eight years old, probably someone around my peerage who drunk

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Speaker 2: the Rainbow nation. Coolly, what does that represent for the

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Speaker 2: second largest party of South Africa. Maybe someone not as

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Speaker 2: encumbered with the baggage of pre nineteen ninety four South Africa.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is a very significant change that is unfolding

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Speaker 1: in the current group of GA contests. They're all relatively young,

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Speaker 1: if not very young, compared to the average age of

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Speaker 1: politicians generally in South Africa. And these are young people's

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Speaker 1: new orientations with new perspectives, new values in a way

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Speaker 1: and ways in its which they relate to the South

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Speaker 1: African the Golled rainbow, and that's just going to be significant. Though.

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Speaker 1: We've had several people describing this bart of changes now

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Speaker 1: happening as organic, and that is I quite agree with that,

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Speaker 1: because it has come from the route where we see

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Speaker 1: new leaders, younger leaders, or new or leaders beyond the

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Speaker 1: minority groups or most prevalent white minority groups emerging this

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Speaker 1: time around. It isn't much more natural natural process. We

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Speaker 1: of course in the past, are seen in the DA

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Speaker 1: the projects around mossing my money and the way as

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Speaker 1: Ibu go and bringing them into leadership possessions. But those

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Speaker 1: that all had the character of planned projects to bring

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Speaker 1: in these new leaders. I think the current range of

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Speaker 1: changes across the different structures for which elections are being

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Speaker 1: held is indeed more grants up, more gradual and guys

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Speaker 1: got I believe it has a better chance of taking

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Speaker 1: taking roots.

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Speaker 2: Helen's Ada will not contest in a DA federal election

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Speaker 2: because she will contest the morality of the city of Joeburg.

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Speaker 2: As you say, for the first time in two decades,

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Speaker 2: she's not part of a leadership structure in the party.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you have two young people, Na Horne and

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Speaker 2: as Sarapin who contests for that FEDIX position. When we

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Speaker 2: talk about the DA's leadership structure, let's merit on the

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Speaker 2: ANC's top six, now top seven. Let's we're talking about

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Speaker 2: a DA almost top ten in how they shape this party.

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Speaker 2: What's it going to take for the DA after this

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Speaker 2: conference to firstly lay the ground for a twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty nine. There have been plenty of talks about if

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Speaker 2: the DA needs to grow, particularly about young black voters

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Speaker 2: in South Africa, they also need to reflect that that

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Speaker 2: electorate is a DA strong enough. Is this the moment

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Speaker 2: for the Democratic Alliance to grow, to start reflecting that

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Speaker 2: majority of the South African electorate and maybe in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty nine contest competitively against the likes of the ANC.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is indeed the road that the VAC is

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Speaker 1: ahead for itself. And if it is going to make

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Speaker 1: any headway, if it's going to penetrate that broader vertic

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Speaker 1: community beyond its traditional minority targets, then this is very

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Speaker 1: much the time when it will have to start happening.

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Speaker 1: Even if much of the leadership will still be right

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Speaker 1: or with some sprinkling of other minority growths in it,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps more than indeed more than a sprinkling, they

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Speaker 1: will have to show that indeed they relate in a

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Speaker 1: big time to the issues of the day, the big

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Speaker 1: issues of poverty and unemployment and government governance and service delivery.

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Speaker 1: If they can make breakthrough in projecting new enthusiasm, new

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Speaker 1: image for the party among those fronts, I think they

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Speaker 1: could make a great and they could make great headway

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Speaker 1: in penetrating those communities. But of course, and the bus

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Speaker 1: is another big challenge for the new emerging leadership where

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Speaker 1: perhaps we also need these threshold perspectives and younger perspectives,

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Speaker 1: is the challenge of balancing showing the strength as an opposition,

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Speaker 1: as an alternative party, as a party that maybe we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen evidence yet can match they in see although

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Speaker 1: it has been catching up on AMC, that can match

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Speaker 1: the A and C and bring in a new character

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Speaker 1: of fighting for people, fighting for majorities that still remain

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Speaker 1: excluded and in dire circumstances. And that will be the

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Speaker 1: big bug challenge to balance that mission with being a

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Speaker 1: constructive part of a government of national intel coalition style governments,

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Speaker 1: and that that is a big tension for any party,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps that is exactly where new vision, new inspiration,

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Speaker 1: new enthusiasm is required of the DA, should you want

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Speaker 1: to make that further headway.

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Speaker 2: Professor Susan Boyson really appreciate your I'm sure you'll be

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Speaker 2: following the DA's Elective Conference Congress at the weekend. I

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Speaker 2: will too, and I'm quite certain that we will have

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Speaker 2: a new DA leader on air with us come this

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Speaker 2: time Monday Day morning,