1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Right, it's time to talk health and wellness, and today 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: we're putting the focus on teenage skin. Maybe you struggled 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: with acne and your teens yourself. Maybe you have been 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: tearing your hair out trying to manage your child's skin challenges. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Either way, you'll know it's not an easy journey. And 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm delighted to have two local dermatologists with us in 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: studio who've recently launched a skincare brand that is developed 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: specifically for teen and tween skin, and they're going to 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: talk to us about the issue of managing teens skin, 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: about some of the common complaints, what we can do 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: to minimize them, how we know when to go and 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: seek outside help, et cetera. If you have questions, you 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: are very welcome to send a WhatsApp to seven two 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: five six seven one five six seven as Lesliane has 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: already done. Thank you. I'll make sure we put your 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: question to our guests. Let me just introduce them before 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: we go any further though, Doctor Lauren Knight and doctor 18 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Tarren Jacobs are both specialist dermatologists and moms. They've got 19 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: extensive clinical experience in skin health and disease across all ages. 20 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: But what makes them particularly well qualified to speak on 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: teenage skin is that they've actually just launched the new 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: Beam skincare range, which we gave away some product for 23 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: in a week or two earlier, so you might recall 24 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: it's been developed here in South Africa specifically for teen 25 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: and tween skin. It is scientifically backed, well researched, The 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: ingredients have been very deliberately chosen for the kind of 27 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: skin type they're being directed at, and they are all 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: about cutting through a lot of the noise that is 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: happening on social media and on Instagram and the like 30 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: and influences sometimes well intended but quite often misguided and 31 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: not appropriate for teenage skins. So really really pleased to 32 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: have you both with us. Welcome, thanks for popping into studio. 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, yeah, and love you to chat to both 34 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: of you again because it is a welcome back to 35 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: both of them. Laren, let me start with you. I mean, 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: obviously we know hormones play a role into just about 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: anything involving teenager's body and mind, but specifically, shall we 38 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: start with what's going on in the teenage skin that 39 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: it misbehaves so often in teenager. 40 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I think the thing important thing to remember 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: that it is developmentally normal to have an increase or 42 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: a fluctu cuation in your hormone that then manifests with 43 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: these skin conditions. And one of the earliest things we 44 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: start seeing as a result of this adrenarchy or the 45 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: increase in your male hormones as you enter puberty is 46 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: the skin becomes a bit oilier, so but greasy skin, 47 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: greasier hair, and then obviously it can progress to having 48 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: you know, acne, whether it be mild early acne over 49 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: the tea zone or more severe nodular cystic acne. But 50 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: it is part and parcel of growing up. But just 51 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: because it is normal doesn't mean we shouldn't be managing 52 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: it and helping to control it to prevent those long 53 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: term seculae of scarring hyperpigmentation that often leads to long 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: term stigmatization around people with acne. 55 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a huge part of it. It's 56 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: not actually only about the skin. The skin and how 57 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: we look, and particularly the skin in our faces. It's 58 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: what we put out into the world and if that 59 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: is blemished and scard it can have huge consequences psychologically 60 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: and in terms of how kids are treated. And teased 61 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: at school unfortunately as well. So it's a multi layered 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: issue here, increase in male hormones and just size in 63 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: both male and female teenagers. 64 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 2: Exactly, male and female teenagers around the time of puberty, 65 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: you have an increase in your androgens, which is predominantly 66 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: the male hormone, but in females obviously it also peaks 67 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: at puberty. 68 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Okay, now, Taran, let's talk about the almost oversupply of 69 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: information out there, because we are in a world where 70 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: our teens are often on social media. They're on their 71 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: phones looking at influenza videos on TikTok and Instagram, and 72 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: they are being absolutely bombarded with messaging about products that 73 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: will work and how to do this and try this 74 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: home remedy and don't do this. And as I said, 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it comes from a place 76 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: of good intention, but a lot of it is actually 77 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: dead wrong, isn't it. 78 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely so, I think it's more like it's a cultural phenomenon. 79 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: Now we are actually seeing what we reflected in clinic 80 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: is what we see outside, and young goals predominantly from 81 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: as early as the age of nine or ten, are 82 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: actually seeing these influences online using products that are inappropriate 83 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: or using these multi step routines. And I don't think 84 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: it's that our kids are looking to do any anti aging, 85 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: but they seeing this cool influencer using these things, and 86 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: they are obviously at an age where they are just 87 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 3: perceptible to that. And what we see in clinic is 88 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 3: kids coming in preteens and teens on all these ingredients 89 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: that is actually provoking a lot of sensitivity. We may 90 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: be seeing irritation, allergic or errit and contact dermatitis and 91 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: things like perioral dermatitis. 92 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: Sure, will you explain please? 93 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: What is datiti It is around the mouth even extended 94 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: up extending up to the eyes, something that we see. 95 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 3: We don't quite understand why, but one of the causes 96 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: could be from cosmetic products. So that's just some of 97 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: the issues that we sing surrounding this in clinic. 98 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: Lauren, Is I mean, are there specific ingredients in particular 99 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: that are maybe appropriate for an older skin or for 100 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: somebody who's got a menopausal skin, for example, to be using, 101 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: but really shouldn't be used by a teenager whose skin 102 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: is going through these changes. 103 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: You know, it's really nuanced because a lot of the 104 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: ingredients we are talking about things like retinoids, alphahydroxy acids, 105 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: salicylic acid typically perform better in older skin or better 106 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: tolerate about older skin. But it's not that they can't 107 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: be used in a younger skin, because if you've had 108 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: a teen with acne, you might have looked at your 109 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: prescription from your dermatologists. Then it does include these ingredients. 110 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: But it's about the appropriate use of them, and you know, 111 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: the use under guidance, because we are going to put 112 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: children as young as eight potentially on a topic or 113 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: retinoid to treat their acne. But it's the harm of 114 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: compounding ingredients, using multiple of these acids or you know, 115 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 2: exfoliant agents together, not understanding the nuances of protecting the 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: barrier while you're treating, because you're actually just stripping, worsening 117 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: the skin irritation, worsening your acne. So it's not that 118 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: actives aren't out, it's just appropriate use of actives. 119 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: Okay. Now, Leslie's question, which came in at the very 120 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: moment I said we were talking about this is really 121 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: it's the million dollar question. She says, I have a 122 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: thirteen year old daughter and thankfully she doesn't have any 123 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: major skin problems. Touch would leslie its home. It stays 124 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: that way, but she says, we're looking for the best 125 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: skincare routine without comment complicating matters, looking to use as 126 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: natural ingredients as possible, what is appropriate for her young skin. 127 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: Let's talk about a skincare routine, tarand I mean, firstly, 128 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: should a teenager have a dedicated skincare routine and what 129 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: should it look like? 130 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: I do believe that. I think that it's really important 131 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,559 Speaker 3: to kind of foster skin health habits, and I don't 132 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: like it to be you know, I think as parents 133 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 3: we need to help our kids understand that this is 134 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 3: not about appearance, right, but taking care of your skin 135 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: and skin care. It should be framed in a way 136 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 3: that is health focused. It's just another aspect of taking 137 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: care of your health, much like brushing your teeth or 138 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: eating a healthy diet. Starting these habits early can just 139 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: help to prevent further issues later on. So I think 140 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: for preteens and teens, the best is a simple approach, 141 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: something minimalistic. We should all be cleansing our face, moisturizing, 142 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: and using sunscreen as a daily consideration. And if you 143 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: think about maybe younger preteens, that's all they need. If 144 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: you are starting to see the first signs of acne, 145 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: which may be increased oil production or a bit of 146 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: black heads white heads, which we call comudonal acne, then 147 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: it's quite acceptable acceptable to be using a targeted treatment. 148 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: But we don't want to complicate things. You want to 149 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: keep something the routine sustainable, so we do just want 150 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: to focus on those basic three steps initially, cleanse moisturous, 151 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: and sun protection. 152 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: You and I just want to pick up on something 153 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: that's asked there the most natural as possible. I think 154 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: there's a lot of fear mongering around these ingredients and 155 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: these products, and natural does not always mean better. Natural 156 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: ingredients aren't often as subject or as stringently tested as 157 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: our chemical options, so people feel natural is safer, but 158 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: natural is often not as strictly tested in terms of 159 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: sensitivity broking. It's a common allergen or irritant often, so 160 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: we kind of fall on natural as this feels better, 161 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: not necessarily always better. 162 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, yeah, so cleanse moisturized sunscreen. There are 163 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: two words missing from that straight away that I can 164 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: think of, which is tona and exfoliation. So let's talk 165 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: about that. Are they no nos for teens, or they're 166 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: just not necessary yet. Is it a don't do that, 167 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: or is it it's not really needed. 168 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: I think the first, like the overarching rule is not needed. 169 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: Tona's we generally say, if you've got a very oily skin, useful, 170 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: And the traditional tona has actually changed. It used to 171 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: be like a step in between your cleansing and moisturizing. 172 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: But the tona now is more of a way of 173 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: a formulation or a means or a vehicle for transmitting 174 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: an active often so it's a little bit of a 175 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: nuance different from the three step routine that we were 176 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: brought up with. And again, your toner and your exfoliator 177 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: really is targeted at treating a problem. It shouldn't be 178 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: a part of your getting into skincare routine. 179 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I'm sitting here with the opposite problem 180 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: of too of a dry skin, and I know so 181 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: a tinner and exfoliator are things that do not appear 182 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: in my cup because it's terrible for my skin. It 183 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: strips what little barrier protection is there already. So it 184 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense to me to say, I know, 185 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: to avoid those products. But a teenager, again who's on 186 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: Instagram seeing influencers going through this whole rigmarole of these 187 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: other products you must have and this is part of 188 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: my beauty routine. Doesn't necessarily understand Taran that their skin 189 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: might not be like that person's skin and might not 190 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: react the same way. 191 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: And I think it goes back to what are the 192 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: needs at different ages and an adolescent in a preteen 193 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 3: probably not that much unless there is an underlying condestion. 194 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: So you don't need a moisturizer that's promising to be 195 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: anti aging or boosting your skin radiance or you know, 196 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 3: treating hyper pigmentation, whereas an older skin warm, mature skin 197 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 3: type will have those advanced concerns. So you kind of 198 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 3: need to justify those ingredients. Yes, we do use them 199 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 3: in adolescents, but if you don't need them, then why 200 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: be using something that can potentially provoke irritation and sensitivity. 201 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: And why add more expensive products that aren't needed into 202 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: the mix of ECCA lifetimee addiction to them? Just for 203 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: anybody coming in midway to this conversation, our guests with 204 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: us in studio, doctor Lauren Knight and doctor Tarran Jacobs, 205 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: both specialist dermatologists, and they recently launched the new skincare 206 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: range called Beam b EAM, which has been developed specifically 207 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: for teen and tween skins and your range. Literally they 208 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: walking the talk. The range includes exactly what they've just said. Cleanser, 209 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: moisturizer and sunscreen are developed specifically fourteen and tween skins. 210 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: If you have questions around managing teenage skin problems, you 211 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: are very welcome to send a WhatsApp to seven two 212 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: five six seven one five six seven. You can also 213 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: do what Melissa's done and send an email to pipper 214 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: h at Cape talk dot co dot Melissa writes, my 215 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: daughter absolutely refused to see a dermatologist during her teen 216 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: breakouts and now has some scarring in her twenties. It's 217 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: not too bad, but I wonder if there is anything 218 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: that can be done to reduce it now is a question. 219 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: I mean one hundred percent. Scar management is probably the 220 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: hardest aspect of acne management. But there are a number 221 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: of things you can do, and the first thing you 222 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: really want to do is sun protection. So the sun 223 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 2: is our biggest propagator of extrinsic damage the skin, so 224 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: it's going to break down any collage and elasson that 225 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: you have in that scar tissue, and then they are 226 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: lovely over the council formulations for example retinal which is 227 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: really our hero in terms of stimulating that collagen and 228 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 2: elastin to improve the appearance of scars. And then there's 229 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: obviously a number of in office treatments she can do. 230 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: But we really, I always encourage patients. We want to 231 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: get on top of your acne, so we limit the scarring, 232 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: but there is something to be done for scarring, and 233 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: rather see someone and have a routine or a regiment 234 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: tailored to you so you don't do more damage, so 235 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: that we can really sort out things that are holding 236 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: you back. 237 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: Thanks well, Melissa, I hope that's helpful. Thank you very 238 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: very much for asking. Okay, and then Sally has a 239 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: daughter of fourteen. She just cannot seem to stop it 240 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: picking her pimples. Oh that's a tough one. I mean, 241 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: that's a behavioral issue as much as it is a 242 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: skin issue. But aren't any any suggestions. 243 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: It is something that is really common. Sorry, don't worry, 244 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: You're not alone. And we actually have a very long 245 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 3: medical word for it acne excorier de genderfield. So we 246 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: see it in girls excoriated acne. It's it's almost like 247 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: a habit, habitual habit, and then you really my approach 248 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: always in clinic is to really treat the acne effectively 249 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: because you want to get that under control so that 250 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: the stimulus is no longer there. So I usually would 251 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: go for medical therapy ceodomatologists to get that acne while 252 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: treated is the best approach. 253 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people have deep seated fear about 254 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: some of the acne treatments and maybe let's just and 255 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: I was one of them, and I was very, very 256 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: hesitant when I had to face the possibility that a 257 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 4: child needed to go on a racuitane for example. 258 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: And Lauren, let's talk about that. It comes from a 259 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: lot of fear mongering and mythologizing around these products, maybe 260 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: from poor management in the early days. Do you want 261 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit. Is it still I mean, 262 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: maybe I was just overcautious. 263 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: But I mean it's probably the elephants in the room 264 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,479 Speaker 2: when you sit down with any parents in acne consultation. 265 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: So there's some parents who walk in and say, my 266 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: child needs rakutan, can you just write the script? And 267 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: there's some parents that it takes not a lot of coaxing, 268 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: but a lot of explaining, and I think it is 269 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: one of the medications that I always tell my patients 270 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: that is so well studied and you'll know how long 271 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: it's been on the market for and it's never really 272 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: been changed, so we know it works. Yes, it does 273 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: have negative side effects, particularly around trying out of the skin, inflammation, 274 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 2: of the liver, inflammation, and the joints. You know, it's 275 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 2: obviously very taracogenic. If you're pregnant, it's a problem. You 276 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: can't feel pregnant on it. But we know what these 277 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: side effects are. It's like the devil. We know what 278 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 2: to watch for, we know what to check for. Our 279 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: dosing has also changed, so a lot of the negative 280 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: around it was that we used to use much higher 281 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: doses and we typically use in practice now, so we 282 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: dose at more comfortable doses because a lot of those 283 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: side effects are dose mediated, and there's also adjutant things 284 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: we can put together. So there's good evidence around Omega 285 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: three's and zinc to support that drying of the skin, 286 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: and then again our Dermo cosmetics, so our washes, cleanses, 287 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: moisturizers that we are using to support the skin barrier 288 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: often does really improve one's experience on racketan. 289 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean the bottom line here is going 290 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: with an open mind of hearing you said, don't come 291 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: in closed off to it, or don't come in demanding it. 292 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: Obviously it should only be prescribed in certain circumstances, and 293 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: you're going to manage those potential side effects. 294 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: And I think he really want an individualized approach. There 295 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: are people who obviously need to go on ice treatno 296 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: and or racketan, but don't want to or there's a contraindication. 297 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: So you really want to routine that suits you and 298 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: your goals and your needs. 299 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: Another question, and this is what I've not heard of 300 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: before Fiona is she's been advised that her teenage orders 301 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: to change her pillow cases regularly because of a risk 302 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: of infection. I've never heard of that before, Tarran, Does 303 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: that bring a bell for you? 304 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: Definitely does come up okay on social media. Yeah. Look, 305 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna make or break something if 306 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: you're on medical treatment for your acne. But we do 307 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: know that there are some bacteria that live on our 308 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: pillow cases that may lead to skin infections. Acne itself 309 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: is more complex than that, so it's a multi factorial condition. 310 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: We spoke about the hormonal ships. There's also a bacteria 311 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 3: involved that is a bit different called sea acnes. We 312 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: know there's a process where the skin cells become really 313 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: sticky and on shed properly, and there's inflammation underneath. So 314 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: I mean, those are the main factors of acne. But 315 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: I do advise to my patients to change your pillow 316 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: case every week. 317 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: Every week. Okay, so just take I mean take awhere 318 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: one potential into aggravator. Okay, I don't think there's any 319 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: harm in doing that. Okay, thanks for asking. Were almost 320 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: out of time, and the one thing we haven't done 321 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: is told our listeners where to find your and talk 322 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: a little bit more about your range. So Beam skincare, 323 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: I mean, line you both sitting here as both doctors, 324 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: but also wearing a mom hat, and I know that 325 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: was a big part of why you chose to develop 326 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: this range. 327 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we wanted something that we as dermatologists 328 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: would give our kids, something that moms and tweens and 329 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: teens and our practice were asking for questioning what can 330 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: they use? Is this safe? And we just didn't really 331 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: find that there was an answer I mean, there's a 332 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: lot of great problem products on the market that are gentle, 333 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: non irritating, but there was nothing that was made for 334 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: tweens and teens. It was nothing that they could find 335 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: themselves in. And we really want to flip the switch, 336 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: promote health, move away from the appearance, really find somewhere. 337 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: I mean, the whole idea of beam is be who 338 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: I am taking away the filters. They're growing up in 339 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: a time when they're dictated what they should look like, 340 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: what you know, perfection looks like. And we actually want 341 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: to say bee, kids, don't rush to be mini adults. 342 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: But this is for you. It's not adult skincare that's 343 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: marketed at you. It is purely for you. 344 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Taran website up and running, are you able to 345 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: send people to go and order already. 346 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 3: As we speak as of Monday? 347 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: Okay? 348 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: And yeah, so the details is Beamskin. 349 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: A beam Skin, and it's b E A M. Beamskin, 350 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: dot co, dot setter and from Monday you'll be able 351 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: to go on and place an order. So our listener, 352 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of oh no I do. 353 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: It was Barbara who won the Barcher. Sorry, and I 354 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: met Barbara donating blood a week in am Africa. We 355 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: ended up on the next door bed from one another. 356 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: So Barbara, you'll be able to go and spend that 357 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: archer on a Beamskin dot co dot set. As of Monday, 358 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: you'll be the very first buyer I suspect on the 359 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: site and I think it's a wonderful thing that you've done, 360 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: and I think it's the message behind it is the 361 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: most important thing to me that we start just intervening 362 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: in that messaging around seeking perfect perfection and always worrying 363 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: about how you look and how you are seen by 364 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: others and actually just focusing on do you your body 365 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: needs at this point and find you where you are 366 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: in life. So I think it's fantastic. Thank you so 367 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: much for developing the range, but also thanks for being 368 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: with us today. Love you Tovey both in studio. 369 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 3: Thank you beam Skink. 370 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: Dot co dot z A. You've been listening to its developers, 371 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: doctor Lauren Knight and doctor Tarn Jacobs.