1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Usually I talk Stormers Rugby with coach John Dobson on 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: a Wednesday or a Thursday. We look behind us at 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: the weeks the weekend's match that is done, and we 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: look ahead to the weekend's match that is coming. But 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: given the fact that tomorrow, either John Dobson is going 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: to be very involved with the massive logistical challenge of 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: getting about sixty people on a plane to Amsterdam and 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: from there to Marseille and from there in a bus 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: or on a train to Toulon, or he's going to 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: be ducking that responsibility one way or another. He's not 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: going to be available for us. So let's do it today, Hello. 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: John, John H. Jackie. 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean it is you just think about it, And 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it more than usual because I'm going 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: to be on the plane as well. But I mean 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: it's a heck of a thing taking You're more than 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: you'll probably take thirty or thirty two players and all 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: the support staff, the assistant managers and so on, plus 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: all of the kit that's needed. It's a massive undertaking. 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's become so we're so blase there and 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: for such a short time. I mean, yeah, if you're there, 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 2: literally we're going to arrive Wednesday, train, Thursday, captains Friday game, 23 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: Saturday and all that. It's and all the detail, and 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: I think you have witnesses in the past are down 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 2: to the amount of strapping recarry and the physio bitch. 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 2: It's a nice one and to take it for granted 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: now that are we going to turn up? But I think, yeah, 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: he be lifting to be fair. And you see the players, 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: they've got their duty bags and they do a lot 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: of lifting themselves. 31 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: A thirty three seventeen, so the score is a lack 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: of one bonus point five points second on the log. 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: That all looks good, But for the first sixty minutes, 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: I think you probably would have been quite frustrated with 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot of what you were seeing on the field. 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: Or are you going it's the condition, so I'm going 37 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: to excuse it. 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: No, at sixty minutes fourteen twelve downe unacceptable and put Yeah, 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: the first half I thought, you know, we made that 40 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: crazy decision under their polls at seven mil. We've got 41 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: a formation that you go over picking U close to 42 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: the line which is called cut called cobra, and you 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: literally pick away and that and we went to that 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: crazy long pass, you know, and they scored, so it 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: became a fourteen point turnaround. But up until then I 46 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: thought I planned for thenditions who were winning the contest, 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: Toby and winning the scraps. We looked okay, But I 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: can't say fourteen, twelve down or twenty to go that 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: we went in trouble. I thought we were in proper trouble, 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: which which we were just pree per. So it was weird. 51 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: I'll come really poor at sixty minutes, but some of 52 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: the process was okay. 53 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: Lineouts didn't work, such a mystery kicks for goal put 54 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: he missed two penalty kicks that he didn't put into touch. 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: There were quite a few kicks downfield which went directly 56 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: into touch back. The scrum was working on The scrum 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: continued to work in the second half, but then there 58 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: was something about that second try that just I don't know, 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: pulled everybody together again. And once that fairly lengthy defensive set, 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: once we were nicely up, but they still had a 61 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: chance to come back into the game. There was enough time, 62 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: and if they had scored, then maybe people get unsettled 63 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: and start to get worried. But that defensive set persuaded 64 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: me that we were going to run away with it. 65 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: No, I think that's Saird. But it was like the 66 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: Dragon's game last week even though the school was finished, 67 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: and we think, you know, we haven't got a divine 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: right to win every game against sixty noughts and to 69 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: be the team like Edinburgh like that. But with the 70 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: last two games have been similar, it's feel like you 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: one thing away. So it's like we hadn't the thing 72 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: that set you're talking about, which is I think the 73 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: ends ofsty On Stield, doesn't it. Yeah, we haven't got 74 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: that in their score and they were within thirty years, 75 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: within seven and then we kick off and they get 76 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: a pen on we make us to need like a 77 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: no armspecker like tooks and to the diner whatever we do, 78 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: but they've got three two meter entry. Then we really 79 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: is brooks kar stuff you know to periost Rugby, isn't 80 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: I know? It's two scores that were one and a 81 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: half scores. Is no longer anything like Stafe, but sort 82 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: of felt like we were, by probably the score margin, 83 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: the better team. But it's made it really uncomfortable for 84 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: a long time. With those mistakes. I think you've veiled 85 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: spot on that though, the one I'm talking about in 86 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: the first half and what you're referring to. 87 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and now it's Champions Cup against Toulon in Toulon, 88 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: and they have a glorious history in the tournament. They 89 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: won it three years in a row. Nobody's ever done that. 90 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: But they're not doing well in the French Top fourteen. 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: They've lost more games than they've won. They down at 92 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: the bottom of the log. How do you treat this game? 93 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: If you win it, you either go to Glasgow to 94 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: play to play Glasgow or if the Bulls beat them, 95 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: then you come back here to play the balls. So 96 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, how do you treat this game? You've got 97 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: Connacht the week after at home in the u RC, 98 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: which is we've discussed before is bread and. 99 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: Butter, and that's that Connacht game is. It's a THEEO 100 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: rhythm game. It's absolutely critical, you know, if we want 101 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: to fish in the finish in the top two. But 102 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 2: I think we know this game we're going for. I 103 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: think obviously we can't not. We want to respect the 104 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: twinter Toulon like you're right with our on the logs, 105 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: So obviously short is a conference on their paper it's 106 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 2: a it's a super team. I mean that's a massive, 107 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: big we know them from playing them last year. But 108 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: we go for it, and then this pretty hope that 109 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: the Bulls beat Lasga, because I don't think for us 110 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: to go off to Scott's Tune and spend the week there, 111 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: which we don't look. We've got to serious ptsdcs for 112 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: the last couple of playoffs there and we don't particuarly 113 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: enjoy it. And then we'll get back to cache On 114 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: after conduct have got to capech On and I've had that. 115 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: We've had the scene that movie before when we lost 116 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: to Munster a couple of years ago, and so we 117 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: go for too long and I say desperately hope and 118 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: if we have to go at Lasgow, maybe we thinking 119 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: with a team a bit because we can't mess up 120 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 2: the Connacht game. But I think on a that's say 121 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: it's one of the great year that they say to 122 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: lose to Long Larachelle and beyond the Great Cathedral of 123 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: French Rugby to go and play and then find the 124 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: atmosphere's magic Saturday afternoon game in daylights against a really 125 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: good team. We go for it and try and put 126 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: our biscuits forward to the World Rugby and trying to 127 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: become the first African team to get to a European 128 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: semi final. That's our goal. Just worried about the conduct thing, 129 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: like you said. 130 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: So you are going to put the best available in 131 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: terms of thinking the tactics and strategy you want to play. 132 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: You're going to put the best available fifteen and back 133 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: up eight onto these onto the list. 134 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: Of names that. Yeah, I mean, everybody played on Saturday. 135 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: I think J J. Eircorts has got a saw bulging 136 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: disc in his neck, but everybody else who played on 137 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: Saturday's on the airplane tomorrow. So we're going for it. 138 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: How we structure it? You know, you might say you 139 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: want an impact from I am I not doing this, 140 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: but like Evan Lewis, maybe because I think where we 141 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: want to be in that game like we did in the 142 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: year for the sid Maybe we want to be competitive 143 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: of with hopping out to go and then get some 144 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: real impact off the bench. But definitely it shows with 145 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: a prism or what did is the best because it's 146 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: the best choice of winning. The problem is if we've 147 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: got at last. But yeah, I mean, what would you 148 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: advice would you give up this game to going to last? 149 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: No, no, absolutely not. Yeah, yeah no. And this is 150 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: probably the knockout game that is most winnable if and 151 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: I know we particularly because you've got that built in 152 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: memory now on the squad of winning as often as 153 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: you did in the beginning of the u RC season, 154 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: so that that sort of instinctive feel where overseas we're 155 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: going to lose, that's been knocked away, but that's been 156 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: chipped away. 157 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: And I'm spoken to you about this. They are hype. 158 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is the you know, we're 159 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: always champions cup boys sit here, sorry we go again, 160 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: and they think, no, this is an opportunity. So and 161 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: we have and to ya, Bon hadn't lost there except 162 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: for the one domestically for two or three years too, 163 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 2: and we we were there with Dylan Martin, Clinton Swat 164 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: and then so there's there's there's massive belief in this, 165 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: in this opportunity. So it's really all hold the hands 166 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: to the pumps and go through. But I think in 167 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: quite an exciting way. I don't think we're going to 168 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: go out there and try and grind or Edinburgh what 169 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: you saw in those first to sixty minutes. This game 170 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: is going to take a bit more than that. 171 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: To win, okay, And I'm going to do my bit 172 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: on Friday evening to do to de mystify the Billu 173 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: Billu chant for them, because it can be pretty scary, 174 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: so I'm going to do my best to de scarify it. 175 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: Can I tell you all your listeners that you you 176 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: played one, lost one, so you need to win as 177 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: much as I. 178 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Well, you know, we could put me into the dressing 179 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: room of Toulon and. 180 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: You'll do it for us. John. 181 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: There we go, Coach John Dobson, and see you on 182 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: the plain tomorrow.