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Speaker 1: Across the Desk with Clem on seven to two, So

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Speaker 1: Across the Desk feature this morning, I'm hosting current affairs TikTokers. So,

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Speaker 1: as you know, for decades, current affairs in this country,

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Speaker 1: in fact globally lived in familiar spaces. So you're watching

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Speaker 1: the news on television, you're reading the morning newspapers, you're

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Speaker 1: listening to talk radio.

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Speaker 2: But today the news.

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Speaker 1: Conversation is increasingly happening somewhere else. It's on our phones,

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Speaker 1: it's in vertical video, often under a minute long. And

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Speaker 1: this is the age of TikTok current affairs. You've got journalists, commentators,

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Speaker 1: creators that are breaking down politics, they're breaking down policy,

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Speaker 1: global news for millions of young people that are scrolling

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Speaker 1: through social media. And I would like to hear from

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Speaker 1: you if you often rely on these TikTok accounts that

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Speaker 1: to break down the news, give you a summary of

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Speaker 1: what's happened, you know, some of the headlines. Because in fact,

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Speaker 1: across the continent and particularly in South Africa, the shift

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Speaker 1: is show that about thirty three percent of South Africans

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Speaker 1: now use TikTok to consume news, while even more more

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Speaker 1: current affairs updates. And I think this change really reflects

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Speaker 1: a broader global trend. So give me a call on

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Speaker 1: If you're one of those that follow some of these

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Speaker 1: TikTokers that give you a summary of what happened or

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Speaker 1: just what's in the headlines or some analysis, you could

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Speaker 1: send a WhatsApp as well on O seven two seven

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Speaker 1: oh two one seven oh two. I'm joined by three

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Speaker 1: voices who operated this intersection of journalism, commentary, and social media.

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Speaker 1: We've got Homoso Modise in studio with us, who's a

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Speaker 1: respected senior reporter here at Eyewitness News who always brings

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Speaker 1: us breaking news, an analysis, radio and digital audiences. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming through. Good morning, Good morning often on

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Speaker 1: this side of the.

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Speaker 2: Yes all right.

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Speaker 1: We also have Dan Koter, who's a TV, radio and

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Speaker 1: internet personality known for mixing shop commentary with satire and

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Speaker 1: deep dives into South African politics and culture on television

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Speaker 1: and online platform. Dan, you're also used to being on

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Speaker 1: this side of the mic. Thank you for coming through.

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Speaker 2: Man, So nice to be on the radio.

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Speaker 3: Again, this is my I always think that all broadcasters

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Speaker 3: have all of us, no matter how many different platforms

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Speaker 3: you'res on TV. Of course, we've all got almost like

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Speaker 3: a species of animal, one home habitat, and this is

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Speaker 3: my true habitat.

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Speaker 2: This is like come back to radio.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, ah, let me like crack my fingers,

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Speaker 3: get comfortable.

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Speaker 1: No, it's good to heavy man. We also have Amash Jack,

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Speaker 1: who is a digital digital voice and preaking South African

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Speaker 1: politics social issues for on line audiences, particularly through short

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Speaker 1: form video commentary. I'm actually thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: also joining us. Good morning.

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Speaker 4: Morning, How is it? Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Ah, we're good, We're good, We're good. I want to

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Speaker 2: kick off with you, homoso.

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Speaker 1: You already do news, your report on eyewitness news, your

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Speaker 1: report on breaking news. When did you decide, okay, I

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Speaker 1: have to do this because here's how I found out.

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Speaker 1: Now you are a trending superstar and a lot of

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Speaker 1: my friends rely on your videos like they'll send. One time,

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Speaker 1: a friend just sent me a video you had done.

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Speaker 1: I was like, isn't that I didn't know that's what

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Speaker 1: you do. When did you realize that, Oh, here's an

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Speaker 1: opportunity here.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think I just it's been what a year

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Speaker 5: consistent because I had been making content before last year,

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Speaker 5: the year before, but I started making content consistently about

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Speaker 5: a year ago. And for me, I just got tired

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Speaker 4: I was that girl, you know, I got so.

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Speaker 5: Tired of being the person saying that's not true, right,

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Speaker 5: And and what I what I realized is that the

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Speaker 5: video that you know, I had a lot of inaccuracies,

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Speaker 5: else was going with what this sometimes very well meaning

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Speaker 4: So I decided, you know what, maybe.

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Speaker 5: Let me just start making content and and people will

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Speaker 4: So that's that's how it started.

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Speaker 4: It was really just about how's about we create.

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Speaker 5: A platform where when people want to know the truth,

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Speaker 5: accurate information, information that they can rely on. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I was already making that type of continity. I say

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Speaker 5: you know. So I was already doing this and it

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Speaker 5: It was a really seamless you know, shift or move

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Speaker 5: for me to start doing that on on TikTok, And

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Speaker 5: that's how it started for me.

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Speaker 1: I come to you as well, because I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's like Mazana, then there's ad hoc, like you have.

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Speaker 2: To choose one. Sometimes they're both hot in one day.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm stuck at Mazana, And sometimes I come

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Speaker 1: because I really like that. Sometimes you you take the

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Speaker 1: key important stories and you just summarize that. And even

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know what it is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the summarizing and then the contextualizing, which I

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Speaker 5: think is when people sometimes struggle. So they might understand

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then you you've built an audience across TV, radio,

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Speaker 1: social media. How different is storytelling on TikTok compared to

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Speaker 1: the traditional broadcasting that you've done for many years now?

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Speaker 3: Just checking my TikTok comments sections to see whether or

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Speaker 3: the genesis of your outrage and then your creativity. You

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Speaker 3: know what's so interesting, and both of you will understand

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Speaker 3: this is that TikTok is fundamentally like radio in terms

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Speaker 3: so the word economy and the efficiency of humor and

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Speaker 3: they swipe their thumb. I write differently for YouTube and

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Speaker 3: times of attention economy, practices, and fundamentally, what I realized

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Speaker 3: their algorithm operates very similar to TikTok. It used to

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Speaker 3: be that Instagram suppressed political content, suppressed news content, suppressed

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Speaker 3: So my videos performed similarly on Instagram and TikTok. But

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Speaker 3: the lesson here is that the people doing their absolute

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Speaker 2: That's interesting for me at least, that's yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what about you like when, because what

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Speaker 1: you do as well, your content really breaks down these

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Speaker 1: complex political issues, whether it's on YouTube, it's on TikTok,

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Speaker 1: and it's in a way that actually resonates with online audiences.

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Speaker 1: What inspired you to start doing current affairs content?

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Speaker 8: Well, for me, it was a disconnect with my brother

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Speaker 4: I'm a millennial who is very.

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Speaker 8: Much disinterested in politics, and I find politics and current

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Speaker 8: Myself, Okay, how can I break down these topics so

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Speaker 4: She was like, are you the housed lady.

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Speaker 8: Doesn't anticipate that at all, So that was for me

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Speaker 8: because I find politics and current affairs to be so

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know then one of the things I mean,

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Speaker 1: just like the satire that you add, and of course

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Speaker 1: the political analysis as well, because you you know, you

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Speaker 1: which is why like, like myself, we end up getting

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Speaker 2: But how do you balance that.

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Speaker 1: Have you found that that's gotten into trouble a lot,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're doing issue on ANC and you're inviting

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Speaker 3: Well, I do not get politicians because unfortunately, like unlike

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Speaker 3: have not yet understood that the performance art of effective

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Speaker 2: They're fearful.

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Speaker 3: I was once told by somebody who I'd invited on

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Speaker 1: Ten thirty one Across the Desk feature. This morning, I'm

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Speaker 1: hosting Current first TikTokers. Are you one of those who

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Speaker 1: It's more it's in I mean their tension span. People

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to some whatsups coming through and oh

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Speaker 10: I think with me, there's two people who I listen

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, sham, you have three of my favorite

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Speaker 4: I love the intro. I love all three of them.

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Speaker 1: you always say, so like you know, so I'm were

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Speaker 1: you intentional about that? Like or was it just this

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Speaker 1: is how I'm getting started? And then it cut?

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Speaker 8: No, I mean they scream at me in traffic, they

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Speaker 8: scream house it for me. They scare me all the time.

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Speaker 8: And it was not intentional at all. It's how my

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Speaker 8: friends and I read each other so much. So now

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Speaker 8: me and my friends have to find another greeting. It's

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Speaker 8: just I don't know, I don't know how's it has

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Speaker 8: always been something we've always said, just like how's it

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Speaker 8: tell you? So it wasn't intentional at all. It was

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Speaker 8: just me being a South African. We know South Africans

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Speaker 8: love to greet You cannot get anything done in South

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Speaker 8: Africa if you don't.

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Speaker 4: Start with a greeting. So that was kind of like.

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Speaker 8: The intention that I'm just going to start the video

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Speaker 8: every day by greeting, but the hous it just took

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Speaker 8: to go a life of its own. It was never

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Speaker 8: intentional that I'm where. I was deliberate, like this is

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Speaker 8: going to be my intro.

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Speaker 4: I say, how's it with you? Jack's Actually you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm just like it right.

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Speaker 5: No, it was very intentional for me, and it was

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Speaker 5: because I wanted people to know what I do and

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Speaker 5: why I'm here follow yes, so, yes, it was this

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Speaker 5: is hi, this is who I am, this is what

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 4: I remember to follow. It was very intentional for me.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, now I just I say it without thinking

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 1: Do you find that you've built like communities on this platforms?

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Speaker 1: Then like there's a because that's how we feel on radio.

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Speaker 1: You would know this as someone you'd know that when

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Speaker 1: you do this, you know, the people who listen to

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Speaker 1: you that you talk to you every day, they become

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Speaker 1: family to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny like that.

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Speaker 3: If I could just mention a WhatsApp that I just

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Speaker 3: got from my own brother James, who's my collaborator on

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Speaker 3: our YouTube podcast show, he says, why are you interrupting

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Speaker 3: my Clement's time? Which shows how you've built community. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: So for example, just to tap onto what you guys

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Speaker 3: were saying me starting every one of my podcasts would

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Speaker 3: settle down brother happened to me. It was not a

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Speaker 3: choice or intentional at all. After that infamous Piers Morgan

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Speaker 3: appearance when I did not remember that I said that,

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Speaker 3: and the interview happened on a Monday, and it came

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Speaker 3: out on a Thursday. And then I kept getting tagged

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Speaker 3: and this phrase on Twitter and it went viral for

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Speaker 3: a few weeks or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I had to go and look it up.

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Speaker 3: And then people just demanded on our WhatsApp line and

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Speaker 3: our comments sections that that become a hallmark phrase at

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Speaker 3: the top of the show. And that's a perfect reflection

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Speaker 3: of like how you can build community. So Clement, you

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Speaker 3: will know this, Commoso, you will know this. Like I

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Speaker 3: take a radio community building approach to the podcast, because

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Speaker 3: podcast is just radio undermand It's as simple as that.

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Speaker 3: And so we have a WhatsApp line. We we broadcast Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: and Thursday. We feature people's comments from the previous day.

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Speaker 3: We try to have conversations the last days, if not weeks.

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Speaker 3: We tried to use personality to be normal people. That's

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Speaker 3: why we tell our jokes and have some fun and

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Speaker 3: are silly and our self deprecating, and that is how

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Speaker 3: you build community. Jax does exactly the same thing a

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Speaker 3: Matle in her comments sections, and what Amatle is doing,

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Speaker 3: by the way, is extraordinary because on a social media

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Speaker 3: platform like I use jokes to get people to keep watching,

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Speaker 3: A Matle uses deeply reasoned thought out almost like Ted

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Speaker 3: Talk University lectures that she's built, but she's making them

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Speaker 3: successful on a social media platform that prioritizes if you

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Speaker 3: make a video longer than two minutes, it had better

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Speaker 3: be jaw dropping the good and a Matle is making

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Speaker 3: eight to nine minute videos that are getting enormous and

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Speaker 3: extraordinary views. So Matle has actually managed to break through

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Speaker 3: the wiring of TikTok for her success. Jackson know, I'm

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Speaker 3: just gassing you up now, but we've we've done radio

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Speaker 3: before together, so like, so, like you know how I

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Speaker 3: feel about you. Like it's all good, But like, what

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Speaker 3: what a Matley has been able to pull off on

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Speaker 3: a platform which actively penalizes long form video is absolutely

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Speaker 3: outraged either way.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of your WhatsApp, Shinghy on WhatsApp line, says high Clement.

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Speaker 1: I also love what Den has done with these WhatsApps.

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Speaker 1: I get immediate notifications of his latest content. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: then the question is does Homoto and am as have

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Speaker 1: that too?

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Speaker 2: Do you guys do like do you have notifications? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, so just to let you know, we have a

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Speaker 3: WhatsApp channel, so you can text our WhatsApp line, but

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Speaker 3: you can also join our WhatsApp channel and then we

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Speaker 3: will post on there when we have liveer than tickets,

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Speaker 3: when we have merchandise for sale, when we have new shows.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe you guys should do that as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that sounds good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How long does it take you, guys, am at and

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Speaker 1: to put together those videos? Because sure, I mean you

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Speaker 1: might say you said you listen to radio, you get

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Speaker 1: the but do you actually.

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Speaker 2: Script it and edit it?

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Speaker 1: How much time does it take you to really put

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Speaker 1: up that eight minuta?

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Speaker 8: So I would say it takes like four to five

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Speaker 8: hours the morning, right, So it would start when I'm

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Speaker 8: going to gym, I'm listening to seven and two in radio,

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Speaker 8: and then I come back and I watch TV in

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Speaker 8: the background, and then I read all these different articles

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Speaker 8: and then I do script it, but I don't edit,

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Speaker 8: so I do everything in one take because I want

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Speaker 8: it to be as authentic as possible. So if I'm

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Speaker 8: making a mistake of the video, I also correct myself

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Speaker 8: in the video.

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Speaker 4: And so that's a whole morning process.

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Speaker 8: And then I will shoot the video, that eight to

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Speaker 8: ten minute video, and then post and then just add

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Speaker 8: sap titles because I've noticed that people on TikTok want

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Speaker 8: subtitles and so yeah, it takes about a working day essentially,

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Speaker 8: And that's why I can't do breaking news because I'm

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Speaker 8: a finicky about detail and making sure I get different perspectives.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, very similar. But yes, so I do a

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Speaker 5: lot of a lot more breaking news, so it wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Take as long. I also have a cheat code.

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Speaker 5: I have a current affairs junkie husband who is.

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Speaker 9: Who switched on one of those, so he is always

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Speaker 9: switched on.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, you know, we speak about the commission

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Speaker 5: and at OK and how it's so hard to keep

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Speaker 5: tabs on both. Yeah, you know, I keep tabs through

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Speaker 5: him as well, and he'll say, oh, listen, this just happened.

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Speaker 4: We need to check it out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you need to do a video.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, and he'll say, listen, they said this,

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Speaker 5: remember what they said yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we need to put this in context. Yes, we

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Speaker 4: need to do that.

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Speaker 5: So that is my my cheat code. But yes, there

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Speaker 5: is a scripting for me as well. There's a lot

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Speaker 5: of reading that goes into it. And you know, I

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Speaker 5: just I wanted to say earlier, when Dan is sitting

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Speaker 5: there circling articles, I'm sure it's not one article, right,

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Speaker 5: it's articles from a number of news sources. You're sitting

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Speaker 5: there comparing what would naturally happen with stories. You see

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Speaker 5: it all the time on the Sunday papers where they

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Speaker 5: might run the same story, but there's you know, different

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Speaker 5: information in the stories, right, So you're sitting there really juxtaposing.

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Speaker 5: You're sitting there comparing and then thinking of how to

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Speaker 5: you know, package this in a way that is palatable,

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Speaker 5: in a way that resonates, in a way that speaks

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Speaker 5: to the people and they'll understand.

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Speaker 4: And sometimes it's it's stories that.

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Speaker 5: Are investigations, right that need you Also, I mean I

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Speaker 5: found myself educating myself a lot about things that know

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Speaker 5: nothing about because your contrary to popular belief, journals don't

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Speaker 5: know everything about everything.

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Speaker 9: We do.

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Speaker 5: We are learning a lot of what we're doing is

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Speaker 5: learning systems. You know how companies run. So a lot

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Speaker 5: of it is reading for me and a lot of

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Speaker 5: it is writing things down. And I find when I

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Speaker 5: write things down, I find out and I get to

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Speaker 5: know how much I know about the story and what

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Speaker 5: more I need to know.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I've got some questions coming from some of

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Speaker 1: our listeners. On oh seven two, seven two and seven

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Speaker 1: oh two, we'll get to your what's ups and costs

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Speaker 1: after the break. It's seventeen before eleven.

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Speaker 4: Across the Desk with Clement's Montela.

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Speaker 1: On seven o two, it's fifteen minutes before eleven outlog.

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Speaker 1: I'm hosting current affairs TikTok has on our Across the

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Speaker 1: Desk feature. These are people who will do videos to

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Speaker 1: tell you what's happening in the news, but they make

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Speaker 1: it digestible, they make it palatable, and people like Dan

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Speaker 1: Kotter will make it funny in the process as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you follow them on Instagram on TikTok and what

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Speaker 1: do you like about that shot form sort of news

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Speaker 1: pockets of information? Give us a call, send us a

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Speaker 1: what'spp version, and I've got a few questions coming from

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Speaker 1: our listeners, and one of them was when I'm atually

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Speaker 1: said five hours like tweet came in and said that

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Speaker 1: sounds like a whole like a ninety five. Do they

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Speaker 1: get paid for it? Is there money on this platform?

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Speaker 8: No, but I understand that I now leverage myself and

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Speaker 8: my brand to get other work.

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Speaker 2: So I've done a separation Church and State.

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Speaker 8: Where my Instagram is a lot of brand work where

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Speaker 8: I'm working with different companies to influence and content create,

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Speaker 8: and then my TikTok is what my current affairs is.

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Speaker 8: And so I understand that I don't get that brand

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Speaker 8: work without having the platform that I have.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind.

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Speaker 8: Of how we are, well how I'm essentially making an income,

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Speaker 8: But no, TikTok is not it's not paying us yet,

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Speaker 8: I hope.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, same, exactly the same.

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Speaker 5: I mean I've been getting a lot more speaking engagements

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Speaker 5: through what I do on the on the platform, So

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Speaker 5: that's really my way of leveraging and how I monetize it.

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Speaker 5: But TikTok itself and Instagram really doesn't pay us for us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas YouTube does and they pay an iota. To

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Speaker 3: use a old, an ancient word that My dad loves

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Speaker 3: to use a tiny portion of what they paid to

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Speaker 3: American creators or British creators because they proportion that they

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Speaker 3: create a proportional percentage, what percentage of ad revenue total

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Speaker 3: from your videos goes to you versus them, But they

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Speaker 3: don't adjust for currency value, and then they pay you

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Speaker 3: in rants. So it's tiny, tiny, tiny. But I take

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Speaker 3: the approach and when I used to be on the

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Speaker 3: radio and good of Affem and five Effem and Cape

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Speaker 3: talking that because I developed this kind of like comedic

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Speaker 3: as well as informative reputation, it's allowed me to get

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Speaker 3: brand deals. But my model is now just a radio model.

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Speaker 3: So I now sell advertising campaigns on my podcasts for example,

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Speaker 3: that can run a number of weeks, just like I

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Speaker 3: would on a TV station or a radio station.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Something else that's been really great for me on those

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Speaker 5: platforms is the training that I've been doing a lot

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Speaker 5: of digital content training people that are interested in how.

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Speaker 2: You do it?

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Speaker 5: You know, how are you able to process all of

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Speaker 5: this information and tell these stories so effectively?

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Speaker 4: So that's another way of monetizing.

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Speaker 5: It's always so interesting for me to hear people saying,

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Speaker 5: oh want to come and share your thoughts on matters.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm on a journalist for ten years.

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Speaker 9: I've had thoughts all my life right, but now because

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Speaker 9: I'm on TikTok right sharing my thoughts and there's this

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Speaker 9: interest in it, don't you want to come and speak

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Speaker 9: about this?

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Speaker 4: Don't you want to share?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the conversations we've had, probably like two

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Speaker 1: years ago next to the lives ask me.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes about do I do this? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Speaking?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: It's also crazy how quickly we've had to learn how

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Speaker 3: to be entrepreneurs. Yes, I have a company. I have

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Speaker 3: two full time staff. They make no money, but the

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Speaker 3: money I pay them like their rent and their mortgage

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Speaker 3: and their like. And then I've got one part time

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Speaker 3: staff and they work and I have to pay their

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Speaker 3: salaries every month, and it completely changes my relationship with

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Speaker 3: money that I'm responsible for staff.

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Speaker 1: Here's a question as well from one of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: What has been the most surprising reaction you've received at

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Speaker 1: your online commentary so far? And what's that one video

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Speaker 1: that really gwent god like I don't know views or

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Speaker 1: a million two brilliant?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Which one was that?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 5: I think so I had one that I that I

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Speaker 5: made about I think it was about the occurrency manipulation.

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Speaker 4: I think yes.

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Speaker 5: So that blew up on Instagram a lot, and that's

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Speaker 5: because the constitutional court case was going on for days

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Speaker 5: and I happened to be covering it already, so I

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Speaker 5: was sitting in court all day and I was able

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Speaker 5: to put that together and put it in the video,

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Speaker 5: and people were like, thank you so much. I've been

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Speaker 5: wondering what's going on, and I just haven't been able

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Speaker 5: to figure it out, even though I've read so much about.

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Speaker 2: It's such a complex story.

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Speaker 5: It is a complex story, and it's been going on

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Speaker 5: quite literally for more than a decade.

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Speaker 4: So people appreciate it that. That's a big one. The

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Speaker 4: Malanka content always does amazing.

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Speaker 5: But I'll tell you i was at the Mare a

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Speaker 5: few weeks ago and i'd done a video about Gweman.

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Speaker 4: Dad was a guadaman.

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Speaker 5: Dasha's comments yes about employment right, and quite frankly, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I put on a bit of a dan on that

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Speaker 5: one because I went beyond telling you the facts in

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Speaker 5: that one, and I really did weigh in and because

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Speaker 5: I was actually a little upset. I'm still very upset

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Speaker 5: about that, and I came through on the TikTok and

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Speaker 5: I actually remember having a conversation with my husband about

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Speaker 5: it and.

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Speaker 4: He was like, are you sure you want to speak?

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Speaker 5: And I said, you know what, this is actually what

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Speaker 5: I want to go here because I feel so strongly

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Speaker 5: about this. And there's a lady who bumped into me

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Speaker 5: at the mall and we stood there for thirty five

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Speaker 5: minutes where she was ranting and raving and telling you

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Speaker 5: why everything I said is exactly how she feels about

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Speaker 5: the situation. So there's the impact that you see online.

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Speaker 5: That video also really did well. But then there's some

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Speaker 5: people that will stop you at the shopping center, in

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Speaker 5: the queue at the till and want to have the conversation.

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Speaker 4: I think that's really hard warming for you.

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Speaker 1: Danny and Namacha. You'll told me about, you know, the

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Speaker 1: videos that have also gotten the most use. After the break,

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Speaker 1: it's nine minutes before eleven.

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Speaker 4: Across the desk with Clement's Mania Tela.

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Speaker 1: I'm seven seven minutes before eleven oatclock. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: go to you first.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ashal.

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Speaker 1: What's the one video that you remember like went crazy

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Speaker 1: on social media?

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Speaker 8: So I think the one that has the highest views,

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Speaker 8: which is one point six million. Is the video where

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Speaker 8: I was explaining General Quanazi's press conference, and I had

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Speaker 8: done it in a split if he was this movie,

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Speaker 8: like like a blockbuster, So I was like, he's number

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Speaker 8: one on the call sheet, and I'd basically broken it

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Speaker 8: down like that. But more recently, before I became popular,

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Speaker 8: I had done a warning to Cape Town residents in

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Speaker 8: like twenty twenty four about how you know, the international

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Speaker 8: immigrants were living in kepe Down illegally were going to

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Speaker 8: cause a rental crisis, and I was warning, Yeah, I

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Speaker 8: was warning white South Africans that they needed to do

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Speaker 8: something about it. And recently another video about at this

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Speaker 8: girl was saying that she's now homeless, she's struggling to

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Speaker 8: find a home, and lots of people were tagging me,

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Speaker 8: and so I had a little bit of an I

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Speaker 8: told you so a moment that two years ago, I

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Speaker 8: told you this would happen if you guys did not

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Speaker 8: lobby your government to introduce rent.

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Speaker 4: Controls or whatever.

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Speaker 8: And so I think that has been the recent one,

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Speaker 8: and it was a very short two minute video of

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Speaker 8: me just laughing and saying I told you guys, this

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Speaker 8: would happen. But I think the general one is my

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Speaker 8: most viewed quite literally, I mean that, I think that

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Speaker 8: is the biggest story we've had in the country for

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Speaker 8: the last five years, you know, since Stay captured.

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Speaker 3: I think listen it is indeed Dan Okay, so a couple.

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Speaker 3: So the obvious one is just the Piers Morgan feature.

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Speaker 3: And I think that was quite simply because South Africans

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Speaker 3: are the most fearsomely patriotic people on Earth. If you

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Speaker 3: touch us on our studio from it beyond the borders. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it's a very much a no, there's problems in

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Speaker 3: our house, but if you're not part of our house,

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Speaker 3: don't you dare talk on our problems? Like and there

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Speaker 3: was a lot of country duty. You've seen that country

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Speaker 3: duty energy. Thank you Dan for fighting for the truth

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Speaker 3: about the country or whatever, when I guess I was

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Speaker 3: kind of doing that, but I was also.

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Speaker 2: Just equally outraged by.

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Speaker 3: The lies and the disinformation that were peddled to even

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Speaker 3: cause that interview and that kind of broadcast to happen

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Speaker 3: at all. And I think South Africans also have a

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Speaker 3: pretty classic middle country mentality that when the great powers

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Speaker 3: look at us and give us attention, like Piers Morgan,

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Speaker 3: the most influential and famous conflict entertainer in modern history.

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Speaker 3: We all turn up in the same way as when

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Speaker 3: Tyler wins a Grammy or the Spring Boks win a

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Speaker 3: Rugby World Cup or something like that. And so that

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Speaker 3: went very, very very far. The most surprising comment that

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Speaker 3: I get often comment you asked this earlier, is black

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Speaker 3: South Africans going, oh, you your brethren are going to

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Speaker 3: come for you over this. There's like this mentality that like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you're white, you're supposed to fight for the white team.

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Speaker 3: There are still teams, and to be fair, all the

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Speaker 3: death threats I've ever got have been from white people.

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Speaker 3: But there's this odd kind of like, how dare you

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Speaker 3: suggest any idea that is not in the interest sort

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Speaker 3: of broadly wealthier paler people or exposes the serious immoral

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Speaker 3: history of the wealth and privilege of historically paler people.

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Speaker 3: And I've always found that fascinating is in like white

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Speaker 3: people will be like, oh, you're just You're just trying

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Speaker 3: in exactly this accent, You're just trying to like you,

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Speaker 3: just you, and the black people like you just love

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Speaker 3: saying what they like, and you're just arguing nonsense. But

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Speaker 3: they like it because you want to be popular with

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Speaker 3: the black people and maybe you like find black people

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Speaker 3: attractive sexually. And I'm like, well, oh, Clement, my man.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that this is all white people,

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Speaker 3: but there is a rot online of vile, filthy, racist whiteness.

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Speaker 3: And funnily enough, I realized this. I made a documentary

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Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen called Laister It, which was about racism

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Speaker 3: and language exclusion at Selembosh University, and that's when I

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Speaker 3: first got death threats, and I realized that the greatest

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Speaker 3: threat to a racist, white supremacist or a misogynist is

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Speaker 3: not the opposition. It's the people within your camp who

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Speaker 3: are disagreeing with you. So for a vile misogynist, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure we've all about to watch Inside the Manosphere or

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Speaker 3: have already watched it Luis Throu's new documentary, what's really

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Speaker 3: threatening is not women saying that's disgusting. It's men saying

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Speaker 3: that's disgusting, because that means that men could influence other

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Speaker 3: men to disagree with you a man. And similarly, with

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Speaker 3: white supremacy, the most dangerous thing to a white supremacist

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Speaker 3: is not a black person disagreeing with them. It's a

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Speaker 3: white person saying no, no, no, no no, because it's

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Speaker 3: more likely white people will listen to a white person

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Speaker 3: in the same way it's more likely men will listen

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Speaker 3: to a man.

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Speaker 2: How do you find you guys on the socials?

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Speaker 4: All right, So at what's underscore?

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Speaker 5: At Morto, underscore was already taken, Clement.

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Speaker 4: You know a lot of people call me what's all?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Yes, why do you find that surprising? Yes? So at

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Speaker 4: what's underscore? What do you say? That's on Twitter? What's

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Speaker 4: it called?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 4: X right? No, it's not we own that.

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Speaker 3: It's a community owned platform. It does not matter who

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Speaker 4: It's Twitter, comod underscore z A.

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Speaker 9: That is.

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Speaker 5: I know you're gonna troll me for that. Also, Clement

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Speaker 5: that's my Instagram and I'm always getting.

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Speaker 4: My TikTok rock.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going to open it now and read it

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Speaker 5: to you at what's our underscore?

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Speaker 4: Abby?

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Speaker 5: So Abby with an ie zero don't ask me questions?

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Speaker 2: How about you?

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Speaker 8: and on Instagram. I don't have Twitter anymore. It's too

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Speaker 8: toxic for my my own good I'm.

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Speaker 6: About follow you, sister, Then how about you at dan

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Speaker 1: Perfect guys, Thank you so much, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: the incredible work that you do. It's a minute before

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Speaker 1: you least.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me