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Speaker 1: It was reported yesterday and confirmed yesterday that saw Romopause's

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Speaker 1: invitation from the French apparently originally an invitation offered in

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Speaker 1: a conversation between President Macron and President Rama Pausa and

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Speaker 1: subsequently formalized, has now been withdrawn G seven meeting happening

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Speaker 1: in France in Evian in the not too distant future.

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Speaker 1: And immediately the thought was and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: original reporting said this was because the United States was

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Speaker 1: putting pressure on France to disinvite South Africa for the

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Speaker 1: reasons we've all come to understand, although we don't agree

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Speaker 1: with them. And I was a bit puzzled because I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, the French are kind of standing up to

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Speaker 1: Trump when it comes to Straits of War moves and

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Speaker 1: much more important stuff than South Africa's presence at a

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Speaker 1: G seven summit. But maybe this was a kind of

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Speaker 1: sop that they were throwing to the Americans and no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to provide you with warships in the

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Speaker 1: Straits of War moves at the moment, but don't worry,

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Speaker 1: we won't invite South Africa. And then the French said, naw,

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Speaker 1: that's not the case, not at all. Yes, we did

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Speaker 1: invite him, but you know, given the fact that we're

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Speaker 1: going to be having this big Africa summit in Kenya,

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Speaker 1: we thought it more important and useful to invite the

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Speaker 1: Kenyan President William Ruto to come along and sit on

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Speaker 1: the sidelines of the G seventh summit. And subsequently the

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Speaker 1: French have said through their foreign minister, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we are actually putting the US under pressure to get

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Speaker 1: South Africa back into the G twenty fold. The G

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Speaker 1: twenty presidency at the moment held by the Americans. They're

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Speaker 1: having a summit later this year as we held last

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Speaker 1: year in November, and the French is saying we're putting

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Speaker 1: pressure on the US to make sure that South Africa

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Speaker 1: is represented there. So makes sense of all of this

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Speaker 1: for us? Will you please? Foreign correspondent Peter Fubricias Salopeter Hi,

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Speaker 1: John Hoy. Yeah, I'm good in yourself, I'm making I

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Speaker 1: was hoping for a lot of the more enthusiasm about

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Speaker 1: your state. But anyway, so.

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Speaker 2: I must make sense of this. Who do you believe, actually,

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I believe the South African

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Speaker 2: presidency on this one. I think that that they did

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Speaker 2: come under pressure from Trump because I think that too,

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Speaker 2: for the it would be a more of an affront

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Speaker 2: in a way to just say, sorry, we invited you,

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Speaker 2: but you think it's that it to invite ken you,

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Speaker 2: because in fact you can invite both. You might have

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Speaker 2: seen in the statement which the foreign minister, French foreign

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Speaker 2: minister made, he said we're trying to streamline the summit.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, gosh, you know these things are big, sprawling,

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Speaker 2: kind of fuzzy at edges kind of occasions. You have

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Speaker 2: the G seven, you have outreached people. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be more than, as far as i'm aware,

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Speaker 2: more than just Kenya in terms of you know, non

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Speaker 2: G seven member president's attending. So I think they came

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Speaker 2: under pressure, you know. And I mean you saw the

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Speaker 2: statement by it to mcgreenia, he said that that's what

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Speaker 2: they're told by the French ambassador and they understand, very

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Speaker 2: understanding and quite obliging in a way. That's how I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what mcgwenya was quoted as saying seemed to

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Speaker 1: me to be not particularly angry at all. You know,

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Speaker 1: we used to this from the Americans, So it's just

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Speaker 1: another example. And you know, maybe being on the sidelines

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Speaker 1: useful for US, So why make a big fuss about it.

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Speaker 1: But the French now seem to be trying quite hard

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Speaker 1: to convince us that this has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: the US pressure, and in fact they are the ones

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I mean, it never looks good to be

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Speaker 2: to have it publicly known that you came under pressure

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Speaker 2: from Trump and you cave in. I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 2: an embarrassment, would be an embarrassment for mac drunk generally,

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Speaker 2: everybody is, and they're trying to resist the pressure, or

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Speaker 2: at least look like they're resisting pressure. So it's yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: it is true. I think as a bit of an

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Speaker 2: right back in December, I think, you know, when the

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Speaker 2: A few a few other countries did express their their

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Speaker 2: their objection to South Africa being excluded, maybe not very vehemently.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who knows. That's that's the sort of

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Speaker 2: the key question in a way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know whether Trump said to somebody who

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Speaker 1: said to the French, don't you dare invite si ramapause

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Speaker 1: oh you have already invited him, disinvite him, or whether

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Speaker 1: somebody thought that's what would like. So did it acting

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Speaker 1: on behalf of the king with other the king having

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Speaker 1: expressed his wishes. But again, you know, given what the

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Speaker 1: there's anybody in that administration that cares enough about South Africa, yeah,

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Speaker 1: to put pressure on the French. Do not have us

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Speaker 1: there on the sidelines of a G seven summit. Man,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy, It is crazy, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean there are certain people who are you know,

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Speaker 2: watching us very closely from the State. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: have an ambassador here, they've been I was thinking there's

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Speaker 2: been certain things which they've they've objected to, and I

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Speaker 2: was wondering whether the shoe was going to fall on

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Speaker 2: the out of foot, you know, the the the marsh

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Speaker 2: against the new ambassador the interview with the New York

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Speaker 2: Times where they said that we're run approacheship, that that

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Speaker 2: Trump had been racist and informed when they met at

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Speaker 2: the Wise. So you know, I don't know, and and

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Speaker 2: and the thing about Trump, he just doesn't like being

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Speaker 2: counter you know. So if he got a sense there

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Speaker 2: was somebody conveyed to in the sense that this is

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Speaker 2: Macron is taking up the sum of Ramaposa's G twenty

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Speaker 2: agenda items in the G seven, which is what the

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Speaker 2: French ambassador told me in an interview last month. So

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Speaker 2: in other words, there will be some continuity. It's not

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Speaker 2: just you know, complete loss of South Africa's developmental G

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Speaker 2: twenty agenda. Some of it will be taken into the

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Speaker 2: G seven. And maybe he decided no, hang on the moment,

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Speaker 2: I didn't want South Africa for that reason, so they

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Speaker 2: can't be there. I think that.

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Speaker 1: Peter for British thank you very very much. Indeed, foreign

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Speaker 1: correspondent for The Daily Maverick