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Speaker 1: Seven o two Weekend Breakfast Motoring.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen minutes after seven o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to seven oh two weekend Breakfast with me

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Speaker 3: Go and Stogwam. Time for us to talk motoring for

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Speaker 3: this week and this morning. We have two topics to

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Speaker 3: have a look at. We'll start by looking at the

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Speaker 3: potential new dispensation for speeding finds and also how that

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Speaker 3: could affect your license and finds sac or Barry Bierman.

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Speaker 3: He said that the end of speeding finds is coming

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Speaker 3: because motors and the way that we know then is

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Speaker 3: coming to an end. Our new traffic laws will catch

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Speaker 3: up with those who fail to pay on time. So

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Speaker 3: we'll have a look at what that new dispensation might be.

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Speaker 3: Don't look at some of the most fuel efficient SUVs

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Speaker 3: in the car in the country at the moment, and

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Speaker 3: especially with that projected hike next week, I think we

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Speaker 3: could all do with a more fuel efficient vehicle. Telling

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Speaker 3: us this morning is Convin Chakazi. He's our resident motoring enthusiast.

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Speaker 3: Can be a very good morning too.

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Speaker 1: A very good one into you and the listeners goods.

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Speaker 2: Oh is a pleasure having you on the show.

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Speaker 3: So headline as saying that there is an end of

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Speaker 3: an eraror for spilling fines in South Africa.

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Speaker 2: What do we know about that can be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think something that I've mentioned quite a

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Speaker 1: lot over the over the past year actually in terms

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Speaker 1: of you know, we need to now start making sure

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Speaker 1: go check where your traffic finds their websites where you

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Speaker 1: can check your traffic friends and actually potentially pay them.

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Speaker 1: So what's going to happen now essentially is that your

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Speaker 1: traffic fines are now tied to your ID number or

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Speaker 1: your business illustration number or whatever like basically that that's

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Speaker 1: how it's tied to and whether they don't just disappear anymore.

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Speaker 1: You know, back in the days, you know, you could

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Speaker 1: not pay a fine for a while and then I

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Speaker 1: think it will just kind of fall away after a

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Speaker 1: few years or a few months. Right now, it's just

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Speaker 1: going to be tied down to your eye, to your

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Speaker 1: ID number or your business or legislation number. And this

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Speaker 1: is the what I personally feel like is the right

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Speaker 1: thing to do. And you know, with so many laws

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Speaker 1: the then you are to act, these are going to

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Speaker 1: make sure that people are always you know, paying their

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Speaker 1: find I mean, the demerit system is coming soon, and

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Speaker 1: I know it's been you know, held off for parta while.

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Speaker 1: It's been should have been implemented already, and this is

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Speaker 1: just part of those measures to ensure that when the

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Speaker 1: demeritor system comes into place and everybody or anybody with

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Speaker 1: the traffic find will be accountable. And it also helps

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Speaker 1: with people, you know, googs that you know, when you

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Speaker 1: do sell a car, sometimes the traffic fiind have been

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Speaker 1: attached to a car and you usually sell a car

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Speaker 1: and it you know, it eraises and then you know

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Speaker 1: it's just going to ret your life like that. But

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Speaker 1: right now you won't be able to do that because

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Speaker 1: should you have fins and you are trying to sell

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Speaker 1: your car, you will not be able to sell that

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Speaker 1: car utun you have cleared up your fines. So that's

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Speaker 1: another thing that we peoples need to look at that

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't just get rid of rid of

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Speaker 1: the finds anymore. And you know, I mean the one

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Speaker 1: thing for me is the fact that even with cameras

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Speaker 1: isn't any you know, police visibility in terms of somebody

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Speaker 1: the roads. And I think this for me is taking

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Speaker 1: with Easter coming up as well.

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Speaker 3: So if I'm understanding you correctly, I guess in contrast

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Speaker 3: to the current system, right, the idea is that the

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Speaker 3: new system is going to be tied to your ID number,

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Speaker 3: not your license plate, because currently the thing that gets

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Speaker 3: would then be moving away from that system towards an

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Speaker 3: still only the license plates of the car outside of

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Speaker 3: So I'm trying to figure out how then this new

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so when we do register, I mean your lessons

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Speaker 1: plate is attached to ID number and yes I do

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Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, your lessons plate is I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you own the vehicle, the lessons is attached to to

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Speaker 1: to to to to your ID number. And I mean

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Speaker 1: if people think not I'll be driving someone else's car,

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Speaker 1: it will still be attached to their to the owner

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Speaker 1: of the car. And whether you're working for I think

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Speaker 1: a delivery person or you know, any just driving anyone's car.

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Speaker 1: This is where part of the fleet owners or anybody

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Speaker 1: who owns the car will constantly to check their finds.

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Speaker 1: And you know what I do like is that the

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Speaker 1: CoA has mentioned that, you know that the website like

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Speaker 1: the fines because if your cousin or you know, if

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Speaker 1: you own a business rather I mean it's a business example,

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Speaker 1: drivers assigned to each of these vehicles. But what you

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Speaker 1: need to do is that check those fiends and you

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Speaker 1: will see whoever was speeding or ever I did any infringement,

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Speaker 1: this is where you not need to start, you know,

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Speaker 1: doing some good diligence as a business owner to ensure

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Speaker 1: that those traffic finds are paid because they are attached

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Speaker 1: So that's what they're essentially trying to implement here.

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Speaker 3: And so the other big question is around traffic traffic fands.

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Speaker 3: So you you were speeding or whatever, you get you know,

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Speaker 3: pulling cars aside and checking for traffic fines. If I

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Speaker 3: I can be arrested by JMPD at for instance, a

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Speaker 3: roadblock where they would have flagged, flagged me down and

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Speaker 1: So not necessarily, Well, you can and you cannot. Then

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Speaker 1: let me explain this quite simply. If you have traffic

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Speaker 1: If you do have obviously a built up of traffic fines,

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Speaker 1: but there isn't any warrant on those traffic files. They

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Speaker 1: thing that we've been seeing around going around rather within

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Speaker 1: being made to pay on the spot, or they're being

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Speaker 1: forced to say, listen, pay your fines right now. They're

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Speaker 1: not allowed traffic off is that not allowed to make

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Speaker 1: advise you that listen, you need to start paying these

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Speaker 1: fines because they're going to accumulate and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a problem for you in the future. But they

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Speaker 1: cannot arrest you. They cannot make you on the spot,

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Speaker 1: and you can only pay should you have a warrant

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Speaker 1: of arrest on any one of those of those fives.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so if there's no warrant, then you don't have

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Speaker 2: Police, correct, right, Okay?

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Speaker 3: And so that system, even as we phrase in the

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Speaker 3: new system that links that uses your ID number oversee

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Speaker 3: your driver's number, the ability to still be stopped at

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Speaker 3: a roadblock, have your ticket to check to see how

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Speaker 3: many they are, and then the cops say, well, do

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Speaker 3: you want to pay now? Although sometimes I think they're

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Speaker 3: a little bit more forceful than that.

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Speaker 2: That will still exist in the new dispensation.

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Speaker 1: That will still exist, Yes, that will still exist just

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Speaker 1: to in so I think that's just to ensure some

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Speaker 1: people to play to pay. However, they cannot force you,

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Speaker 1: and I will need people to be very strict about this.

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Speaker 1: They cannot force you to pay, and you can only

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Speaker 1: be arrested regardless of the number of tickets you have.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is from what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 1: So if you've got one ticket Googs, and that one

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Speaker 1: you can understand that you have to be arrested, right

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Speaker 1: And if you've got one ticket, or if you've got

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Speaker 1: twenty tickets and none of them is a warrant for arrest,

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Speaker 1: you cannot be arrested and you cannot be forced to pay,

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Speaker 1: even if you know the accumulation of is you know,

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Speaker 1: essentially maybe twenty thousand rands. You cannot be made to

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Speaker 3: What's the message is, check the Innatus site first for

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Speaker 3: your find don't trust the party they mentioned if it

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Speaker 3: be specifically here says it has listed a vehicle that

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Speaker 3: I've not driven or not owned for more than fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Intus does not reflect the spine. There's something fishy with it,

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Speaker 3: and it never hindered and it has never hindered renewals.

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Speaker 3: The message also comes on to say stop using the

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Speaker 3: third party websites. Use the source which is Inatus. And

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Speaker 3: just on that, I mean on my banking app there

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Speaker 3: is a section where my bank keeps track of my fines.

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Speaker 3: But they also say that they might not have all

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Speaker 3: the fines. If I got to find in some random

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Speaker 3: doorby in Boma Langa, it might not be listed on

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Speaker 3: my third party site. And so in that instance, is

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Speaker 3: there a way to see all of your finds as

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Speaker 3: opposed to seeing them in kind of these pits and drives.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So there is an actual website which is fine

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Speaker 1: SA and this is where every find that you've accumulated,

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Speaker 1: is that this is where it will populate essentially, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I do know. Some of us use are banking apps

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Speaker 1: and it's much you know, it's much easier to renew

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Speaker 1: a disk, et cetera. But Finds SA is where you

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Speaker 1: can find every find that you'd have accumulated in South

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Speaker 1: Africa on any vehicle, as long as it's registered to

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Speaker 1: your name.

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Speaker 3: There's also a question on WhatsApp that a ask how

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Speaker 3: far back will traffic finds be retrieved with the new system?

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Speaker 2: Do we know?

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Speaker 1: Currently? We have not been told in terms of how

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Speaker 1: far back it will it will be dating back to However,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming the fact that every find that you currently

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Speaker 1: have will essentially just be you know, hopped onto the

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Speaker 1: new system and it won't necessarily be erased. I do

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Speaker 1: know that with a demerit system, what they're trying to

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Speaker 1: do is that everybody worth that at zero demerit. So

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Speaker 1: this is for me where it kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody's getting kind of a king slate. I'm just not

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Speaker 1: too show at what, you know, how the king state

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Speaker 1: will essentially work, because I mean, you can imagine Cooks

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Speaker 1: if you've got you know, three Warranter Forrest, because if

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Speaker 1: you've been doing two hundred and eighty five kilometers in

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Speaker 3: Now come be as always, it's a great pleasure to

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Bevan Good, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: This is because the first ever Marks by Mark Jacob's

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