WEBVTT - Alpha Ramuswana

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<v Speaker 1>Happening tonight at the Wits University and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>been really great. The EWN team has been leading a

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<v Speaker 1>town hall there with students at Wits, the Youth on

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<v Speaker 1>the Ballot Town Hall, that's what it's been called. If

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<v Speaker 1>you are watching the live stream online, then you would

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<v Speaker 1>see that it was truly packed with young people in

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<v Speaker 1>the room looking to make their views known, but also

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<v Speaker 1>to ask the difficult questions to the politicians, political representatives

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<v Speaker 1>that were there in that hall ready to take questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, This is all in preparation for the coming

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<v Speaker 1>local government elections. And I think it's important for us

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<v Speaker 1>to keep conversations going at this time so that political

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<v Speaker 1>parties have an opportunity to make their views known, but

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<v Speaker 1>also to make their promises known, but also that you

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<v Speaker 1>and I can make informed decisions. I don't know about you,

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<v Speaker 1>but it feels like the campaigning has started very late

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<v Speaker 1>this year. There's still some political parties that I just

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard from. And then there's the political parties or

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<v Speaker 1>the representatives in the city of Johannesburg people that we

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<v Speaker 1>understand are vying for the position of mayor that haven't

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<v Speaker 1>said a single word. And I think it's, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to see because I don't know, are they expecting

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<v Speaker 1>people to just vote because, you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if they vote because they like the party or they,

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<v Speaker 1>they vote with their emotions. I mean, if people don't

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<v Speaker 1>campaign and tell us what they are planning, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what the plan and what the idea there is. But,

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<v Speaker 1>It seems the political parties were very well represented there

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<v Speaker 1>at the town hall this evening. And our eyewitness news reporter,

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<v Speaker 1>who actually had the hat of the host there, is

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<v Speaker 1>Alfa Ramswana, who is co-hosting tonight, leading the conversation. Alfa,

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<v Speaker 1>good evening. Thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening, Kumut. It's always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it seems like it was an eventful

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<v Speaker 1>evening tonight at the Wits University event. The hall was

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<v Speaker 1>packed and from what I was seeing, it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>an electric environment.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly, Komutu. I think we as the Eyewitness News and

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<v Speaker 2>VOW 88.1 team were very... um intentional in that we

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<v Speaker 2>want this town hall debate to be very different and

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<v Speaker 2>how we managed to do that is to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that the majority of the people that were in the

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<v Speaker 2>audience were young people and i can confirm that the

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<v Speaker 2>venue was packed to capacity and more than 90 people

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<v Speaker 2>90 of the people who are there were young people

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<v Speaker 2>university students and young people who live in and around

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<v Speaker 2>the city of johannesburg of course The people who are

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<v Speaker 2>more older came with the political parties that were represented today,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was so electric because the young people were

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<v Speaker 2>so energetic and they asked those tough questions to the

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<v Speaker 2>political leaders that are in government and to those who

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<v Speaker 2>want to be in government.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to me about the political parties that were represented there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in the run-up to the election and in

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<v Speaker 1>the previous town hall that we've had here at 702,

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<v Speaker 1>there were questions around, you know, the political parties and

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<v Speaker 1>the actual candidates represented. showing up for these debates?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we had a total of seven political parties. The ANC,

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic Alliance, the EFF, Build on South Africa, the

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<v Speaker 2>Patriotic Alliance, RISE Mzansi was also represented here as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a total of seven political parties, a very,

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<v Speaker 2>very young also panel. that we had. We had some

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<v Speaker 2>youth leaders from the ANC and the EFF who represented

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<v Speaker 2>the political parties, but we also had Luko Namguni, Horizon Zanzi,

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<v Speaker 2>Build On South Africa's Nobanti Shlazu-Webster, who is also a

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<v Speaker 2>member of parliament for Build On South Africa. We had

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<v Speaker 2>the provincial secretary of the Patriotic Alliance, Solim Kiza, who

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<v Speaker 2>was also on the panel. So the The thing about

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<v Speaker 2>being intentional with bringing young people was not just with

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<v Speaker 2>the audience, but it also reflected with the type of

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<v Speaker 2>candidates that the political parties roped in for today. So

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<v Speaker 2>the panelists as well really realized that they are speaking

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<v Speaker 2>to young people and they needed to speak to the

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<v Speaker 2>issues that the young people wanted them to raise. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a very electrifying debate today because those questions came through.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to me, Alpha, about, you know, just how the

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<v Speaker 1>young people were approaching the session. You know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>saying in the intro earlier that what's great about young people,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when they are given an opportunity to engage in

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<v Speaker 1>political matters, is that they are very frank, they are

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<v Speaker 1>very direct, they don't hold back in the questions that

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<v Speaker 1>they ask. And sometimes people might call young people a

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<v Speaker 1>little disrespectful. What was the approach from the young people

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<v Speaker 1>in the audiences, especially as they were posing the questions?

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<v Speaker 2>We had a plethora of very interesting questions. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>there's one young man who asked an Action SA candidate tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>about the appointment of Shadrach Sidiya to the Johannesburg Forensic

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<v Speaker 2>Investigation Services by Herman Mashaba when he was mayor between

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<v Speaker 2>2016 and 2019, of course, under the DA government. And

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<v Speaker 2>the question he asked was, should Herman Mashaba take accountability

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<v Speaker 2>and action as they say, at large, for his appointment

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<v Speaker 2>of Shazak Sivia, who's in court today for rape and

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<v Speaker 2>has been accused of corruption at the Marjana Commission of Inquiry,

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<v Speaker 2>should Mashaba take accountability for bringing a person like Sivia

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<v Speaker 2>to the government of the city of Johannesburg? And quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>the Action SA candidate, Levumu Koka, said that the party

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<v Speaker 2>cannot be held accountable for that because this was before

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<v Speaker 2>all these allegations were came to light against Shadrach, Sivia.

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<v Speaker 2>We also had, of course, people who were really concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about the electricity crisis in the city of Johannesburg, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>the inner city. You would know that throughout September, large

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the CBD and Marshall town have been in

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<v Speaker 2>the dark. And this is because of the fire at

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<v Speaker 2>the central substation, which supplies electricity to the CBD. The

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<v Speaker 2>majority of the young people who came today live in

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<v Speaker 2>and around the CBD because this is where they school.

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<v Speaker 2>They haven't had electricity. Of course, their student accommodations do

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<v Speaker 2>have alternative power sources. But at some point, they ran

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<v Speaker 2>out because it was an entire month of no electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>And they took the ANC, the EFF, the PA, which

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<v Speaker 2>are in the city of Johannesburg's government, to task about

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<v Speaker 2>the constant power outages in the city of Johannesburg and

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<v Speaker 2>that people still have to live in the dark even

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<v Speaker 2>when they are paying for electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, on that note, let's take a listen to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you might have heard, the EFF has occupied the

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<v Speaker 3>position of public safety in the city of Johannesburg for

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<v Speaker 3>a number of years now. And the question that Obakeng

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<v Speaker 3>poses is, why is there no security at these substations?

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<v Speaker 3>As someone who's from the EFF, which occupies the public

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<v Speaker 3>safety position, which then deals with JMPD, why isn't the

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<v Speaker 3>security there?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>We as the EFF acknowledge our responsibility in providing safety

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<v Speaker 4>and security in the city of Johannesburg. And what we

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<v Speaker 4>have engaged through JMPD and City Power, number one, is

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<v Speaker 4>that there should be a public-private partnership with all the

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<v Speaker 4>stakeholders that are involved in the tunnels that lead to

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<v Speaker 4>the cables that power the city. And part of those

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<v Speaker 4>stakeholders being Prasa Tunnels that are underground, transnet tunnels that

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<v Speaker 4>are underground, and also including the city power tunnels that

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<v Speaker 4>are underground. With that partnership, we can be able to

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<v Speaker 4>provide sensors that will sense the danger or the movement

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<v Speaker 4>of criminal activity underground will provide 24-hour surveillance systems that

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<v Speaker 4>will be monitored by a central command team or a

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<v Speaker 4>central command center that will make sure that it will

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<v Speaker 4>respond within a second whenever there's a situation of theft.

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<v Speaker 4>And thirdly, we have engaged with the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Power and said that.

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<v Speaker 4>There are only three biggest institutions that are remaining in

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<v Speaker 4>the inner city and that have 24-hour security in the

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<v Speaker 4>spaces that surround the residential areas, that surround business areas,

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<v Speaker 4>and that surround the central substation. Number one being ABSA,

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<v Speaker 4>number two being Standard Bank, number three being FNB in

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<v Speaker 4>Bank City, with a collaborated effort to make sure that

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<v Speaker 4>we resolve the criminal activity that happens underground, we believe

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<v Speaker 4>that as JMPD, with the 104 billion budget that comes

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<v Speaker 4>to the city, there should be a percentage that comes

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<v Speaker 4>into making sure that safety and security in the inner city.

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<v Speaker 2>Is provided accordingly.

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<v Speaker 4>Because 45 billion of that 1.4 billion gets to be misused,

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<v Speaker 4>gets to be misplaced, and gets to be misdirected instead

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<v Speaker 4>of supporting the city institutions that should be providing the

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<v Speaker 4>adequate security.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Alpha, you know, another interesting or an important

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<v Speaker 1>question that's been asked is around crime in the city centre.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, you would know from the crime stats in

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<v Speaker 2>Haoting that the city of Johannesburg contributes 26% of the

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<v Speaker 2>overall crime rate in the Haoting province. That is more

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<v Speaker 2>than a quarter of the crime in the province comes

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<v Speaker 2>from this one city, the city of gold. And the

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<v Speaker 2>Johannesburg Central Police Station is one of the police stations

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<v Speaker 2>that are inundated with the highest number of contact crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and contact crime reports. And this only tells the Okamoto

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<v Speaker 2>that the issue of crime in Johannesburg is so dire

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<v Speaker 2>that it's contributing very, very much to the provincial crime

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<v Speaker 2>rate in the Houteng province. The people who were present here,

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<v Speaker 2>majority of them being young people, live in and around

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<v Speaker 2>and study in and around the city of Johannesburg, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>the city center, which is where most of the contact

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<v Speaker 2>crimes are happening. Surely most of them have in some

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<v Speaker 2>way been victims or know people who have been victims

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<v Speaker 2>of these crimes in the inner city of Johannesburg. And

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<v Speaker 2>so one of the questions that were posed to the EFF,

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<v Speaker 2>which occupies the public safety position and by extension the

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<v Speaker 2>JMPD in the city of Johannesburg, what have they done

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with the issue of crime? The response that

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<v Speaker 2>the EFF candidate, Mr. Sambo, gave was that the issue

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<v Speaker 2>of crime has been an issue way before the EFF

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<v Speaker 2>entered the city of Johannesburg's local government. So according to him,

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<v Speaker 2>The responsibility for the crime issue needs to come also

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<v Speaker 2>from the parties that have led the city of Johannesburg

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<v Speaker 2>way before the ANC-EFF coalition in the municipality. The other

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<v Speaker 2>issue about crime that was very interesting had to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the Patriotic Alliance. It's a controversial statement and some

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<v Speaker 2>argue that it's also unfair. The question of both leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>Kenny Woonen and Clayton McKenzie, having been accused of crime,

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<v Speaker 2>having been arrested, also passed through the rehabilitation system in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>so they are rehabilitated. Should the city of Johannesburg trust

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<v Speaker 2>them to deal with the issue of crime if the

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<v Speaker 2>PA is elected into government? And the response that we

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<v Speaker 2>got from Solim Kize, from the Patriotic Alliance, was that

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<v Speaker 2>they Gaten, McKenzie and Kinugunen have been rehabilitated. They went

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<v Speaker 2>through the rehabilitation and correctional system. So they do have

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<v Speaker 2>the constitutional right to be in government and to lead

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<v Speaker 2>a political party. And they say that. them having history

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<v Speaker 2>in crime also doesn't mean they can't fight crime. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was a really interesting conversation that we had with

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<v Speaker 2>the PA as well about crime in the city of Johannesburg. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it wouldn't be a town hall or a

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<v Speaker 1>debate without moments of cheering and moments of shouting and,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe booing. Was there a particular moment tonight, Alpha, where,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, those who were in attendance felt very strongly

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<v Speaker 1>to boo a statement that's been said on the stage?

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly. I think two minutes within the panel discussion, the

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<v Speaker 2>ANC candidate wasn't necessarily booed, but people were really not

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<v Speaker 2>impressed with what he had to say. And you could

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<v Speaker 2>get a sense. that the young people who were in

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<v Speaker 2>the room perhaps aren't the biggest fans of the African

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<v Speaker 2>National Congress. The question he was asked was, does the

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<v Speaker 2>ANC take accountability as the party that's been in government

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<v Speaker 2>in the city for the electricity shortages, the power outages

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<v Speaker 2>in the city of Johannesburg. And he did not necessarily outline,

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<v Speaker 2>did not want to outline if they do or don't

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<v Speaker 2>take accountability. What he did say, though, is that the

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<v Speaker 2>ANC inherited a system that was on its way to

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<v Speaker 2>being broken back in 1994. So according to the ANC

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<v Speaker 2>candidate who represented the political party today, Mr. Machiza, the

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<v Speaker 2>ANC inherited a city that was already heading to infrastructure

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<v Speaker 2>that was about to collapse. So according to the ANC,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an issue that has been their way before them.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me let you go. I know that it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a very busy evening for you there and the EWN team.

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<v Speaker 1>Well done to the EWN team.