WEBVTT - KwaNtu feature: UFS unveils landmark Sesotho sa Leboa dictionary in historic double launch 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:01.440 One. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.320 All right, it's time for that feature one do feature 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.640 and joining us is doctor Elias Malde, who's the head 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.080 of the Department of African Languages at the University of 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.759 the Free State. Doctor Malade, Good evening and welcome to 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:18.160 the show. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.800 Good morning and good evening, and. 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.520 Viewers, don't worry, I understand it's that time of the evening. 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:29.440 Hey, were you not sure? 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.519 I mean, this is such an exciting development, you know 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.000 when I read about it and saw it, it's a 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:44.599 historic move towards the preservation of this beautiful language, Cesto 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:45.120 salid War. 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.559 It is the baby right, Yes, you're correct. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:51.159 I just talked to us about. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.400 The significance of having a dictionary in this language. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:01.200 Oh yes, it is so important to help the dictionaries 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:07.959 in the African languages in general, and particularly with this one, 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.720 especially if you think of the unvest of the Free 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:15.600 State and it is associated with Sisutu, which is known 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:20.240 as Southern Sutu. And now we did launch the nothing 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.560 so To dictionary. Maybe it is also important form so 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:29.560 to you know, have a background about the relationship between Sisutu, 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:38.640 Lebua and Sesuto. Maybe then it would for our listeners 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.080 will be able to relate to why it is so 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.440 important that we also as the unvest of the free state, 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:52.320 we did also help in publishing and launching that was 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:57.280 a prey dictionary. You see that the dis dictionary was 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:02.920 written by just an ordinary a teacher who is now 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.200 I think more than sixty years old, and he has 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:12.920 been collecting all this Siperi terminology. And when he was 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.079 just asking to say where can I get help, we 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:20.080 came in handy to say we cannot just let loose 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:25.960 of such a beautiful collection of superdi terminology. There's a 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:33.640 huge relationship between Sipedi and Sisuto. For example, the Bapedi 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:38.400 were the first people to be called Basuto Badanguni. Remember 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.760 from Mahuruza, we have Malope, we have the modern and Tavanni. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:48.160 And then the first son of moderna Tavani then produced 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.919 the nation that today called Bapedi. And when they moved 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.519 to the eastern part of the now the trans b 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.760 they met with the Angunis, and because of their addressing 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.240 they were known as to say, you guys, how do 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.480 you wear? You know, a cloth that covers and healthy 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:11.280 and not behind soon to abashould. But there are of 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.200 course two theories of the origin of the name Basuto. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.600 But I would say the first people to be referred 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:22.280 to as Godba Babi and those five sons of bad 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.320 look of Tavani had to move to the eastern part. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.640 Probably they were looking for greener pastures and because of 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.920 the temperatures until the Batropua also they moved to that 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.840 area before they came to the free stage. And Basta 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.960 also use this weight the name Basuto, which was also 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:46.520 officially used in eighteen twenty four when Mastrature came to Tabaos. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.040 So if I look at that dictionary, there are a 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.840 number of ways that are similar, and some of the ways, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.760 because of the land of the of the change in language, 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.040 we see that some insto some of the ways have 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.680 been lost. But if you look at this dictionary, we 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.920 can say that the number of ways that as we 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.680 translate some of the technologies in our sub subject that 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.240 universities and schools, we can refer to that dictionary. So 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.120 a dictionary is not only about the term least and 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.000 so forth, but you also help us with the primitive 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:30.400 vocabulary that we can now our tach in to really 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:35.920 try and equate or try to get equivalents for our subjects. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.279 That we teach our students that schools and universities. So 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.840 it is very important because it also carries the culture 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.400 and that's very same history of the way that we 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:51.200 come from. What is the relationship between these nations. It 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.000 was it tried really to know, to discriminate and so 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:59.120 that we look at each other with score while we 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.040 orientate from the same person and our language are so 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.200 related that we can learn from each other instead of 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.800 just coming up with strange you know, technologies. So it 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.440 is very important to we have very excited that we 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.400 did and I needed to help and that they want 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.919 to go. I need to publish the Disciperey Dictionary. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.280 Yeah, and you know, I'm interested in what prompted him 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:26.279 and prompted you also to endorse such a project after years. 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:27.640 You know, I know for a fact. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:32.000 That in terms of literature, even in church spaces, for example, 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.440 they will use to the Sussoto hymns in many churches 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.760 and they will just be extended to a baby and Bartswana, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.960 and the assumption is they should be able to understand 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:46.360 it because they are similar languages. But something prompted you, 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.760 you know, and the author to have a stand alone dictionary, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.280 particularly for this type of quote unquote sisto sal. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:55.279 What was that? 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.960 Yeah, now that is a very important question that you're 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.840 skin in the first place. It is not even the 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.279 this dictionary only I know that I'm also involved with 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:12.200 the dictioner's or the Situzalabua dictioner that is now at 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.279 the University of Pretoria, where a professor Gedrute is also 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:21.640 a professor Manpaka, Major Pilo and also Sadilla are looking 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:26.240 at the speritiction where we are now bringing Sisu to 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:33.680 the other languages, but this one in particular. There's Solomon 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:41.320 Mutroguani who comes from Sonova Arana in Limpopo, comes from 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:46.960 or originate from the place known as Bakropabahama Chak Sahama Chak. Now, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.840 he was telling us when we were launching the dictionary 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:55.479 that he when he was still young and at school, 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:00.839 he happened to meet with an African speaking person who 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:06.320 from time to time used to you know, scanned him 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:11.360 to say, you people, you don't write. I am with us. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.640 We have got everything to turn down and it would 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:20.800 always feel very little belittle the for the fact that 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.840 we the black people, we don't really resort to writing 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:28.240 we always are oral most of the time. And eventually, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.640 as he graduated from the college to go and teach 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:37.840 at primary school, he then collected all these terms into 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.600 into a into a book. You know when we try. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.119 We first looked at the first manuscript. It was hand written. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:49.440 It was so interesting, so we said, you know, looking 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.560 at the similarities that we have with the to group 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:59.720 languages and Susanna, this book, we said, no, this dictionary, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.480 it is very important. That is where the interest came 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:07.440 in to say, there are also technologists that we're so 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:12.600 surprising to say. I've been struggling myself alone about and 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.120 there is still a debate today. What do we call 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.520 a widow and a widow for an example, I know 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:29.000 that most of the people, yeah, I would, right, But 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.439 there's also a term that I learned from dig six 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:37.000 SCENARII about a divorce, and I didn't know about that. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:42.760 I said, well, what to do we have first hands? Yeah, 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.559 so I would. And also when I looked at that, 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:52.320 it says here chala, it is to divorce, yes, yes, 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:57.600 but if it is the person who have divorced is 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:07.760 a man. The dictionary is saysa but Masadi it says 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:13.719 had probably it is the stem it's about mosala. If 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:21.200 it is a man masalakadi masala. So for me it 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:26.320 was say, maybe we should then reserve, preserve this type 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.160 of terminology so that when we are busy with the 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:36.080 translation and terminology building, we're able to differentiate, we're able 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.320 to use this term. So so we did have them, 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:43.920 probably they did disappear, as will we interact with other people, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:49.160 and those languages always they just disappear with time. So 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:54.600 for me that was what brought the interest to say, 0:09:54.800 --> 0:10:00.360 it is always important to preserve whatever we have. I mean, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.480 what is an old guy a person? So it means 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:11.960 the vocabulary it might behaving, you know, primitive, the vocabulary 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.680 that we might also tap into when we're doing and 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:18.959 developing our terminal ladies, you. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.600 Know, I presume you have the dictionary there with you. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.079 Yes, okay. 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.480 I want to invite our listeners, particularly those who have 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:32.920 an interest in speed, that might feel you know, sometimes 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.480 you've got the word in English, but you just don't 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.520 have it, you know, in your language or in your 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.880 mother town. Or sometimes you have it in your mother 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.720 town but you just don't have the English word. It 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:52.000 happens a lot to people who are second third, you know, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.960 English is their second or third language. I'm going to 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.240 encourage you to get in touch with us and share 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.760 your views. Also under development zero double one, double a 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.280 three seven two. That's the number that you can call. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.520 What do you think of this new dictionary, this new project. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.560 I think it's very exciting and I think it lays 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:17.040 the foundation for lots more like it, particularly in other 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.880 languages that might not necessarily be considered official languages. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:21.080 You know. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:26.040 I'm thinking of dialects like Sipulan, you know, or talk, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:32.160 and I'd imagine those two might have interesting pieces of 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.400 their language that risk being lost if they are not documented. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:42.440 Maybe let's at doctor Militiam, Maybe let's go towards just 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.239 how comprehensive is this dictionary. I think the average dictionary 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.360 is what like five hundred seven hundred pages. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:51.679 That's a pocket dictionary. 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.400 How comprehensive is the dictionary that we're talking about here. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.760 Yes, that are quite a number of different dictionaries that 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.719 one can refer to. We might be having a multilingual 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:08.360 dictionary where it is almost with almost like just a 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:12.360 list of terminologies, and the other one that would also 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.480 be giving a synonyms. But this one is a more 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:22.520 nonlnual dictionary. It gives very short description of these ways. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.800 It does not even go into details, no describing whether 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.560 this wade is a noun or a verb, or even 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:39.040 showing the derivations from different if we apply a lot 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.000 of suffixes if you are a limit or gramarian. But 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:44.959 it is very simple. It can be a pot of 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:50.000 the dictionary. It can run two more or less more 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:55.200 than one hundred pages, just small. But of course it 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.840 can be very useful just to have. For an example, 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:08.920 here a heavyweight says a more too more really one 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:13.800 more yes, But here it says the explanation is more 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:19.400 to yo bot so bad one. Then maybe I might 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:25.120 be pronouncing it's differently here. And then if there's another 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:32.160 way here that says shi yeah. So it gives but 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:36.560 those short type of descriptions. So for us it was 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.520 important that we take it. We take it as it 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:44.640 as a manuscript, but it needs father development and that 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:50.200 is where also we can probably come up with the 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:56.000 grammatical descriptions of every weight and then how they with 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.520 the application of certain parts of speech, then they can 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.920 we can have different meanings. But then that will also 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:08.360 help us to have an a preamble where we discuss 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:13.240 and explain the relationship between this Suto group and maybe 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.320 also direct Arran to say, I know that there's a 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.640 controversy to whether the group, being that the Suto group 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:26.560 includes Vajana, Bapedi and Basuto, which of course I do 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:31.960 agree that it refers to Wapedi and Batu and not 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:36.160 Batana Vagana. They are stand alone because they are the 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.160 ones that produce the two groups. And that is why 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.440 if you are in Hawking and Limpopo, when you say 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:49.720 adam Mosto, the Vapi would say, oh, just to differentiate 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:56.440 between the two. So this dictionary, it is for a 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:01.000 little bit of more elaboration, is more linguistics. It is 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:06.240 a monolingual dictionary, but with short descriptions, but it is 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:13.240 more loaded with the M alphabet. But it is more 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.920 This is the case the same with all the the 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:23.360 African languages group. The M has got more terms and names, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:29.640 equivalents and so forth. Because the name as the noun 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.040 in English, then it is the one that is easily 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:38.320 land and the M it is heavily loaded with names 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.960 and so forth. Yeah, that is how I can explain 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:45.440 it that this dictionary, but it is important to really 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.840 encourage people to say, if we still have a list 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.960 of ways that with the short description, they can submit 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.560 them and be published so that we can have them 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.880 preserved for future reference generations. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:02.640 All right, I'm. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.080 Gonna go to the phone lines now. I see you, Sheldon. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.960 They're wanting to comment on the Khoisan language. I think 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.720 it's an important conversation that you want to introduce because 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.600 it leads us to where I was going in our 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.520 conversation here, the idea that you know there are other 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.920 languages too that need to be developed and preserved in 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:23.520 this way. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:24.880 Go ahead, Sheldon. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:33.200 Yes, yes, I'm yeah, I'm yes. The The only thing 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.200 that I would like to say is like the poison 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:46.920 was a very very important people you understand them. I 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:55.520 think you meanhow okay, yeah, okay. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.440 I think we're having a problem there with that line, Sheldon. 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.560 But we'll come back to you and just hear properly 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:05.320 what you have to say there. You know, I want 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:10.240 to ask your doctor, because you work in the space 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.199 in terms of the other languages, the official languages that 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.679 we have in this country. I mean, how do we 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.360 find dictionaries of this kind regularly? You know, when I 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.679 was reading about this. It really surprised me because you'd imagine, 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.679 because Sabati is one of the most one of the 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.440 official languages, they would have already be happy, you know, 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.600 this type of literature available, and then you would expect 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.880 with some of the smaller quote unquote or the ones 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:43.160 that are less spoken of, then you would imagine that 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.000 we're still lagging behind. But the sense I'm getting, doctor, 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.600 is that we're lagging behind generally with many of our 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:53.320 African languages in preserving the languages through this form of literature. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:18:00.119 When you know, Luckily in Love comments so we our 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:06.600 country has got legislations and institutions that mandated to develop 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.720 and preserve the African languages, and one of them is Penciled, 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.760 and I must just point out that it has done. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.119 The pencil has done a great deal in regard to 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.240 the development of African languages. I think Pey is one 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:29.560 of the languages that has got more dictionaries. Unfortunately, they 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:36.359 are written not by the native speakers of those languages, 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.960 and that is what is important to here. The trogon to 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:43.440 say he's a Spaedish speaking person, and he is he 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:47.040 has lid write this dictionary. We did have for an 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:51.639 example in so Soto got Paroles that is an old dictionary. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.680 I think we published through pencil the Socuti dictionary also 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:00.600 that was developed by Elexocratic Unit the universt of the 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:07.280 Free State. So yes, we are doing well in terms 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.520 of you know, the development of dictionaries, but we are 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:16.760 still leaking, especially if with regard to monolingual dictionaries where 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:25.000 which are written by the African people themselves, because like 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:30.439 this one, this person, he didn't go to school to 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:36.840 learn about this these terms. It is the terminology that 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.399 is developed because of the experience when they are still 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:46.239 and also learning from the environment how they we are 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.720 used by the other people in the same community. So 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:56.000 for me really it is also to say and this 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.679 is what we are also looking at the our you 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:04.359 know programs as well that you know, with with with 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.840 the within the University of the Free Stage, I see 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:11.040 more speaking people coming down to the university here to 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.200 such an extent that we are also thinking of when 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:19.119 we read language. We made an example in English Spedians 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:25.080 as well, so that the study guide becomes multilineoirs. So yes, 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.960 I think that we still have a long way to 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.280 go where we will have the multilinual dictionaries as well. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:38.159 You said something here that there are times where you 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:45.000 would want to know a or Sipedi term, but you 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.320 know it in English. We should have such dictionaries where 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.200 we have a list and a description in soto or sapedi, 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.879 but we also have a list of what does that 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:00.439 way to mean in English? That could also be very useful. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.400 That that that, you know, I I long for the day. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:10.359 Who are more of our languages have those resources, you know, 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.600 because it's important for us to get to the point 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.879 where our languages are preserved through literature. 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:18.880 All right, let's take a call from Bullet. 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.040 You're in boxburd then you also want to speak about translation. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.480 Good evening, Good evening? 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:25.080 How are you? 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.400 I'm good? How are you? 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.840 Yes? No, man, you know, I just want to ask 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.560 the professor there, because you guys have been a very 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.800 interesting to be you know, I did once called, but 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.359 I wanted to to to to know how it can 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.560 heat perhaps or where can he direct me to because 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.800 I have got a collection of extra I've came up 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:54.360 with about more than four hundred ten or or where 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:59.840 to that sort of explain this, you know, technological ten 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.159 like the meanings of this technological change the terms that 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:08.960 are used today but in my own life like for example, 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.000 your sim cards, your memory cards. 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:14.359 You know what language is that. 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:21.359 I want. I've got like a translation in my language 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:28.760 for those terms, like those technological terms. It is Ryana. 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.840 So I've got all those language and in those terms 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:39.280 in in Chanaana. So what I need sort of from 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:44.240 from from the professor is perhaps where can where can 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:50.479 he guide me to sort of make my my my 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.320 sort of findings to be you know out there, so 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:57.160 that can be test published in in a way because 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:01.840 I believe that it can sort of contributing to grow 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.600 into us in helping grow in my language and also 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:09.080 other language that are you know, our native language, because 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.480 it's going to be easy if if if if if, 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:18.719 if something is translated into the sec A language like 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.359 a native language, then it can be easy to be 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:25.280 transcered to other native languages. And like they say, if 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.240 there is no term for that at all, for me, 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.800 I found it, you know, to to to to have 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:37.240 needed where for myself to sort of get get those names, 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:42.320 those difficult terms that can can explain the technological terms 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:45.960 that we are using on a daily basis, like your smartphones. 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.120 You know, we don't we normally don't have those names 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.080 in our native language. So I have managed to find 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.480 the meanings for those terms. 0:23:54.480 --> 0:24:03.119 So I just want ye smartphone I found out for smartphology. 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:11.080 Calls talisy, but yeah was talis. It's just something like that, 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:17.000 so so and bobo like sim card, yes, Jim super 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:23.919 harla and then exactly and then compute. I just lo harmano. 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:31.320 You know laptop gari. You see things like that sim card, 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:41.080 capa and and and I mean America, you see. So 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:42.960 I want to put things out there so that it 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.119 is we must know this thing once and for us, 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.880 you know, so that our language can be like move 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.160 forward whole lot. 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:52.320 I love that idea. 0:24:52.880 --> 0:25:00.680 Doctors in this patalas you know, yeah you even. 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.560 Yes, what's YESTV like this? 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:10.280 It's such a light this theme. 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:18.080 Let's hear from the doctor. 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:22.399 Yes, you sounds like you have a comprehensive list a doctor. 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.320 That sounds like a good opportunity. 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:35.560 Yes, I'm also excited, and I'm gonna say, you know, yeah, 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:39.320 he must have you know, get assistant, because it's very 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.040 important to have such terms. You know. There are, of 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:47.320 course stages that have such technology. Would have to go through. 0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:51.439 And what I like about it is that it should 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:56.200 be the terms that are used every day, and that 0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:02.680 terms that are not formulated by academics when we are 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:06.560 sitting in office, because we have a lot of such 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:11.320 tereminology that just sitting there in the shelves, but are 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.600 not useful because those are they they are not being 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:20.359 used in every day line. I was listening a student 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:24.159 from one of the stations who said, well, because I 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:27.639 have this list, but we rarely use such you know, 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:33.040 temninology that has been produced. But now if I'm listening 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.840 to just a few of the terms that and that 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:41.159 have just alluded to, it's quite interesting. He has to 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.520 come up at least when he sign it to the publisher, 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.679 he must just make sure that he keep a copy 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:52.360 with himself. And then but that terminology has to go 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:57.720 through maybe to the National Language body. They look at 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:02.040 those terms and the space and so forth, and then 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:07.480 they can publish its through pencils as well, and you 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:11.199 will find that it is it will be useful in 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:14.600 this in the sense that instead of just cracking your head, 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:20.120 we already have people who have formulated as these terms. 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:23.840 Because this one I can understand that because in the 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:28.880 terms of technology in formation, it's either you have an equivalent, 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:36.480 but because we the our in life, you know, these 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:40.199 technology developed, development and so forth, so we realize that 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.280 there are no terms that are coming in and we 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.880 have to come with innovations. If we can't have an equivalent, 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.840 you innovate like the examples that that have now used. 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:56.960 So in that way it is we can have you know, 0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:02.480 if in as much as we would say, how do 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:08.840 we publish them? But I think wherever he is, where 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.440 he can, if he can go through the pencil, we 0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:15.360 can get maybe some contact details there where he can 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:21.000 submit the times. But like we did with the superio, 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.800 even if with this mostly where mostly soudents begin the 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:30.760 free stage, we can also assist with the building of 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:34.600 the terminology or see if maybe the dictionary is I 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:38.040 mean the technology is authentic. We have to have it 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:43.240 often authenticated by one of the structures of pencil process. UNA. 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.400 For an example, I'm going to ask you for a 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.480 step by step approach. You know that he can take 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:52.920 and others who are listening, you know, where do they start, 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:54.880 how do they go? But also at the end of 0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.440 the conversation you'll give us your details so they can 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.000 get in touch with you as well. Let's take another 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.400 the call from Tabiso in Kimpton Park. 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:11.080 Jumela, Yes, lay no, thank you and also thanks for 0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:16.320 the top there said doctor, thank you very much. Look doctor, well, 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.480 I think maybe for the fault of not of our own. 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.040