1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Now. Then, from this coming Thursday, the nineteenth until Saturday, 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: the twenty first of March, Cape Town will be alive 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: with hip hop as three major events converge under one 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: platform at the Artscape Theater and joining us in studio 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: to tell us more about it. I'm absolutely thrilled to 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: welcome producer and performer Buntu Jobila and stage manager and 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: sound technician of the festival Bonganni. It's great to have 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: you with us, gents, Thanks so much for coming in. 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: Morning. 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: Listen. Let's start by talking about the Cape Town hip 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: hop scene. I don't know much about it, honestly, I 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: know a little bit more about Joe Burg perhaps and 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: maybe people tend to think of the Joe Burg artist. 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: But what is the lay of the land in Cape 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: to Wigani? Can I ask you to move a little 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: bit to your right just so I'm not seeing you 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: see you over my computer screen. 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. 19 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: There we go fantastic, So just trying to picture if 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: you will a bunch of. 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, I'll be honest with with your with your 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: with your question. 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 4: We are very secrecated. We are not connected. 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: We do not collaborate much as much as the job 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: and gen start are doing it. We turn to do 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: our own thing in our own corners, in our own communities. 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: We don't come together and then and then and and 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: and be uniformed. And as a culture of Kepta on 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: hip hop we have united in the past, But I 30 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: don't know what's happening. Man, We're very secrecated. Everyone is 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: doing their own thing in their corner. They're pushing themselves. 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: What do you think that is? I really don't know. 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 4: Everyone is the unified ideas unified. That's that's that's true. 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: What I've noticed is the new the new generation, like 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: the new what they do is like they separate themselves 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: from the ogs, like, you know what, we can't work 37 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: with them now because now we the ones who's holding 38 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: down with the new waves. So now and they didn't 39 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: do nothing for us in a person, now, why it 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: should be collaborate with them, so like now we don't 41 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: need those so and then the old gesus also be 42 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: like this is new kids, the young kids and all 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 3: that and all that. So yeah, so it's been like 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: that for the person. 45 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: I guess the problem with that is that the the 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: spirit of the thing gets lost and the passion and 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 1: the the real the real heart of the music and 48 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: the art gets lost in this strange no man's land. 49 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 3: And not working together. 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you could both tell us a little 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: bit about yourself and your own I love I love 52 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: hearing about people's own history and and relationship with hip 53 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: hop because we've all got our own stories when it 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: comes to that. 55 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 4: Yes, my name is Bundu. Surname is Trabella. 56 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: I was born in Kaylicha and then later relocated to 57 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: Delft in nineteen ninety eight with my family. In two three, 58 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: I met the guys Bongani and the other guys and 59 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 2: we started doing hip hop as young kids. That's when 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: we started falling in love with hip hop in two 61 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 2: and three and then we made a group called it 62 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: Dso that was me, Bongani and the other fellas that 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: unfortunately stopped doing the music, but we kept on doing 64 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: it from then until now. Along the way, I fell 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: in love with theater as well. I became a stage 66 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: manager at the Atscape Theater Center. I was once an 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: intern there as well, but now I'm also a procucer. 68 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: But I'm still doing hip hop. Yeah, and I'm also producing. 69 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 2: I'm producing events. I produce theater events. I produce musical events. Yeah, 70 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: that's me, that's going to. 71 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: Your Your love of hip hop began where like what 72 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: was there? Was there a track? Was there an artist? 73 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: Was there a period in time where the love affair began. 74 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: It began with the guys, because the guys used to 75 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: do music in front of us. And then there was 76 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: a group in Delft called Abati. There were all the 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: guys then us. So I used to be friends with 78 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: one of their siblings. So every time we'd visit my friend, 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: his older brothers were doing hip hop. So we used 80 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: to be fascinated when we get there rehearsing, they're playing drums, 81 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: they're making beads, so we we fell in love. That's 82 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: how I fell in love with hip hop. And then 83 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: obviously I met Bong Annual along the way at school 84 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: they're also doing hip hop as well and recording in cassettes. 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 4: Sure I'm going for you God. In this place, we 86 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 4: used to use his mother's what is this hi fi? 87 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: We used to put a broomstick, put a microphone and 88 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: started recording cassettes and then we drop out. 89 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: You're run in relationship with with. 90 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: With my name is said all the way from Delft. 91 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: I was born in Johanna's begging Timbie's, and then moved 92 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: to Cape Town in kayle Leech, then moved to Delft 93 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, then went to Primary Combetter from there 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: to high school. That's where this whole thing started for 95 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: me in two thousand and three when I met a 96 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: friend called Mutember a K A M T MT. Before 97 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 3: the empty there was MT, you know, so, yeah, I 98 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: met him. He's the one who introduced me to this 99 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: shandy that's called hip hop because he used to rap 100 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 3: in front of me in school. I used to be 101 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: the one who's beating down the table for him to rap. 102 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: And then I got inspired. And then after school we 103 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: go to his place and then we started recording there, 104 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: like he says. And then from there we started using 105 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: my mother's house and then that's where we started recording 106 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: over gospel cassets. 107 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: Take over them. 108 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, yeah, because he plays it like what 109 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: is this. 110 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: Master Mill State Street next to mine? So I used 111 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: to hear this loud and then I would go and visit, 112 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: and then we decided to make. 113 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: A course and then we made a group QUAL that 114 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: stands for del self origin, meaning like we originated from 115 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 3: the South and then along the way I feel in love, 116 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: me and him started moving solo like we started as five. 117 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 3: Then in me and him started moving solo, and then 118 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: we fell in love with the theater music theatre, and 119 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: then we met Tamimbono, So he is the one who 120 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: introduced us to to to to like Baxter Theater and 121 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 3: started doing started using our music to to to create 122 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: this plays and this the productions and stuff and stuff 123 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: and stuff. And then from the love group. 124 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: It's it seems like such an obvious marriage between hip 125 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: hop and theater actually because of the storytelling, and it 126 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: seems really obvious. But I wonder if people who maybe 127 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: aren't familiar with hip hop but it's not there, maybe 128 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't put those two together. But to me it makes 129 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. So talk a little bit about that. 130 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: The festival that's coming up and and the piece and 131 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: and how the two work together and the events that 132 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: are coming up. 133 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the events that are coming up, they're under the 134 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: Capetian Hip Hop Festival. Yeah, we have the Cape Down 135 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: hip Hop Festival that's shutting nine x from Cape Town. 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: And then we have it's a hip hop poetry and 137 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: movement production. It's infusing hip hop and storytelling. 138 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: So that's a theater piece. 139 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: The theater piece, but we we we we we. The 140 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: dialogue is REP with web music. The dialogues in REP. 141 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: And then we have the third segment. 142 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 4: It is. 143 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: That's that's a talk that we're going to do. That's 144 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: the way we're going to sit down with artists, creative 145 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: upcoming artists and talk about these issues. Why are we 146 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: segregated in Cape Town? What is what is the cause 147 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: that that's that's that's what is causing this the segregation 148 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: in Cape Town? And how can we overcome it? And 149 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: how can we sus in ourselves and and and continue 150 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: with with with with hip hop. So we have three 151 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: main events that that are happening. 152 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: What goes into producing a festival like this? When did 153 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: you start planning? 154 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: I started planning it last a year in April. I'm 155 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: in partnership with a company called the Theater Backyard that. 156 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 4: Is Sham George. 157 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: So we sat down last year and I told him, listen, man, 158 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: I've always had this plan of bringing a festival. We 159 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: have a lot of festivals in Cape Town. We have 160 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: drama festivals, we have music festivals, and I and I 161 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: told him listen man, we don't have a hip hop festival. 162 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: We don't have a platform whereby we can take all 163 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: of these artists and bring them together in one platform, 164 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: be it the new guys and the old guys. Just 165 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: to just to eliminate this thing of there's a new 166 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: the new guys are doing their own thing, the older 167 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: guys are doing the own thing. How about now we 168 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: take some of them, we put them together in one 169 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: stage and see what it takes us. And then he 170 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: believed in the dream, and we started applying to National 171 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: Arts Council and AC We send out applications and then 172 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: luckily we got support from National Arts Funding p SP program, 173 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: and then they gave us little money to do this thing. 174 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: And so now we're able to hire artists, and we're 175 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: able to hire rappers, We're able to hire stage managers, 176 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: were able to hire coordinators and and visual artists that 177 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: can come and be part of the of the movement. 178 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: Hopefully we want to crow the fest of all as 179 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: well into a bigger thing. Whether we can feature artists 180 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: from Joburg, feature artists from Eastern Cape as well, because 181 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: there isn't masch platforms in the Eastern Cape as well. 182 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 2: That are focusing on hip hop. As I said before, 183 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: there isn't in Joe work. There's a lot of people face, 184 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: but we won't have that in Cape down. So I 185 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: think it's time we get up as the people who've 186 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: been doing this thing for longer. We we open such 187 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 2: platforms for for ourselves and the upcoming artists. 188 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to know more about I'm just wondering what 189 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: you can tell us about about that as a As 190 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: a the piece is a theater piece. 191 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: It's a hip hop driven production. It's also driven by 192 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: by by poetry as well. The dialogue is in hip hop. 193 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 2: There's a lot of music that's that is hip hop 194 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: based in the production. It's a story about a young 195 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: man who lives with his girlfriend for many years and 196 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: they and he's pushing music, he's doing hip hop. And 197 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: then she realized this thing is not working for it 198 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: for for her anymore, and she decides to to to 199 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: leave him and and then but unfortunately, the guy loses 200 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: his mind, ends up killing the girlfriend, and then the 201 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: girlfriend haunts the guy and he starts going crazy. But 202 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: now he's he's telling this thing over music, the love 203 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: that he has for her. I loved you. Now you're 204 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: doing this to me, and now this is what is happening, 205 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: and it becomes a very messy situation for for him, 206 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: and then he ends up killing himself. 207 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, powerful stuff. 208 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: Listen. 209 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: I wonder when it comes to when it comes to 210 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: the identity of hip hop. I think initially when we 211 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: when we think of hip hop, initially we're often thinking 212 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: about the United States, Yes, and and and for a 213 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: long time that had that had almost been the north 214 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: Star and everything was about doing what they're doing over there. 215 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: I think times have changed enormously in that regard. And 216 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: our previous guests are mentioning Brooklyn, how that they got 217 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: married in Brooklyn. I was thinking, you know, you can 218 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: you can you trace a history. I'm not going to 219 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: say the history trace a history of history to you know, 220 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: to there. Do you think we're moving away from that? 221 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: Have we as South Africans, even as Cape Tonian's, begun 222 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: to begun to own our own hip hop identity? 223 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: I think for me, when I first got introduced like 224 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 3: to to to to really dig in deep in what 225 00:11:54,760 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: I could find. So I started digging of ourn, DJ 226 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: Ready Thing, Jets, Finger, Treman's Gap d T. It's what 227 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: I can prover pro ky I can keep going. So 228 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 3: those hip hop ex had like an identity and the 229 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: music speak to the soul and you know, and the 230 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: poetry driven you feel. So today I would say, like, hmm, 231 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: it's it's it's more of of a lifestyle today than 232 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: than being a culture you know, because it was a 233 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 3: culture thing, it could speak to the soul before it's 234 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: now you just need to bounce it beat and the 235 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 3: message is gone. For me, that's the thing for me, 236 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: But for but his music, his music is more like 237 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: it speaks to the heart and soul. And if if 238 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: you watch on this production, it cuts deep in it 239 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 3: reminds you of what what what we lost? What yeah, 240 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: and what we miss and what we need to bring 241 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: back and even if we don't bring it back, but 242 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 3: what we can fuse within your sound that that is 243 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: out to date and with the o and even if 244 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: it's a bouncy beat, but you can at least be 245 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: something positive, you know what I mean? But speak to me, 246 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? 247 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: How important for you? And it's so interesting you said 248 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: that because these are conversations. I think this is a 249 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: similar conversation that could be had anywhere in the world 250 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: when you're talking about hip hop, is that there's the 251 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: there's the struggle from which gave birth to the thing, 252 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: and then commercialism comes in and again the bouncy beat 253 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: thing comes in, and popularity comes in, and and what 254 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: sounds nice and what will get airplay and all of 255 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: these conversations that impact perhaps the original message in. 256 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: The original thing. 257 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: I wonder then, if what would need to happen to 258 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: get back to something more ofthentic in that regarde day. 259 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: We used to we used to have workshops, we used 260 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: to have hip hop cams. Nowadays there's there's no such things. 261 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: There's no there's no a place where you can go 262 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: in and and learn deeper at hip hop. 263 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: Uh. The the youngs, they just come up and then 264 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: they just decide I'm a rapper. Whereas back then we 265 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: used to attend workshops. We used to attend open miccepts, 266 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: open mic sets, way by you you you shopping your 267 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: skill and then you get home you've learned something new. 268 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: And nowadays theres and such things. So that's why even 269 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: they kept doing hip hop Festival. It's featuring this. We're 270 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: bringing either the youngs they need to come in and 271 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: then and then and then listen to has been doing 272 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: it also since twent and in two up until now. 273 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: They're still consistent and they still are getting gigs all 274 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: over South Africa and and touring over overseas as well. 275 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: So it's something that, uh, that's gonna help us now 276 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: and and and then and then say look now we're 277 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: gonna learn something from from all of these things. So 278 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's it's it's it's something we need. Man, 279 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: we we we've lost, we've lost the culture. There isn't 280 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: much connection that we is now in the in the 281 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: lapop scene. 282 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: And and like there's that thing that is called like 283 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: even when it gets signed by a record label, they 284 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: first give you that maybe six months on the bench 285 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: for for for for artists development. Now the new wave 286 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: they just because of the internet thing. Well now we 287 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: have like try I can record now tomorrow. I'm famous myself. 288 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: I mean influence without being properly like developed. And it 289 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: doesn't last. You understand, it doesn't less because you're not 290 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: trying to to to keep it going, to keep it going, 291 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: keep it keep it going. So so now we're just 292 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: chasing trends. And if my song isn't. It doesn't have 293 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: a tense move. I'm not putting it out, you know 294 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: what I mean. So it's just it's it's a mess. 295 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: It's a mess. So for us to to to to 296 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: to to to like find ourselves back to to where 297 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: we need to be. I think they they really need 298 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: that Morabolo workshop to come through and just and and 299 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: and and educate themselves. 300 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: I want to get some details in just a minute 301 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: about where people can get the tickets, how they can 302 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: turn up. Before that, though, we've got to track trust issues. 303 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: That is me, that is me. 304 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: Trust issues is speaking about the production. It's speaking what 305 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: is said in the production about a young man that 306 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: is conflicted, facing dark thoughts, facing suicide thoughts, facing depression. 307 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's it's me featuring Maliki, one of 308 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: the poets in the production. Uh, it's produced by wang 309 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: Any mixed data recorded. There's a stuard at home. So yeah, 310 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: that's trust issues. 311 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: It flukes and for the week, even the strong well 312 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: lose trust issues. 313 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 4: No feather info Judge informed. 314 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 3: In the comedy Gigle would ann. 315 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: The Cape Town and Hip Hop Festival kicks off this 316 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: coming Thursday, March nineteenth, and runs until the twenty first. 317 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 1: There's more information at Artscape dot Cosa and you can 318 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: get your tickets via web tickets. And we must, of 319 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: course just say thank you to our guests who have 320 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: joined me on the show this morning. They are producer 321 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: and performer Buntera Jubela and also stage manador and sound 322 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: technician of the first of all at gentlemen, it's been 323 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: an absolute pleasure to have you in studio. Thank you 324 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: so much. We wish you all the very best with it. 325 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: Make sure that you go and give your support. And 326 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: if you are somebody who is involved in at the 327 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: local hip hop cy and go and go and take part, 328 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: go and support and even if you're not, even if 329 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: you're not somebody who is involved, go and see Yeah, 330 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: come and support. It's been fantastic gentlemen, Thank you very 331 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: much done, appreciate it.