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Speaker 1: The Money Show take Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Well matter has now been in order to pay over

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Speaker 2: six million US dollars to a young person because a

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Speaker 2: court found that she had become addicted to social media

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Speaker 2: at age six and that these platforms were deliberately engineered

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Speaker 2: to make that happen. YouTube also found guilty of the

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Speaker 2: same thing. You've never seen a young person hitting YouTube

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Speaker 2: and just watching again and again in again, or just

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Speaker 2: watching the videos go scroll past their screen. It's astonishing,

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Speaker 2: it's scary. See Pumalelea Zandie is a tech expert joining

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Speaker 2: us now see Pumalelo. Good evening. So what exactly was

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Speaker 2: the accusation against these social media networks?

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Speaker 1: Hello Stephen. So the young person is basically as saying

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Speaker 1: or are suing them for saying one, she's been addicted

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Speaker 1: to to meta products since the age of six, and

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Speaker 1: she's been addicted to YouTube since the age of ten.

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Speaker 1: So the lawsuits was basically on how they are designed

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Speaker 1: an engine need to make young people addicted to them,

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Speaker 1: and once you've created an account, it's very difficult as

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Speaker 1: a young person or as anybody really to leave these platforms.

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Speaker 1: And so it's not a landmark case because they've all

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Speaker 1: this been conversations around this, but not quite a lossuit

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Speaker 1: to this level on social media addiction, and it seems

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Speaker 1: like lobby groups. I decided to support the case, and

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Speaker 1: very many lobby groups were testifying on her behalf as well.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, just to be clear, what I find

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Speaker 2: so staggering about this is you had adults, you know,

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Speaker 2: grown people in a room at Meta and at Google

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Speaker 2: trying deliberately to make very young children keep watching. So

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Speaker 2: trying deliberately to keep my children, your children, Siper maleele

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Speaker 2: addicted to their service. I mean the words for that,

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Speaker 2: but the word I'm just going to use on the

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Speaker 2: radio is evil.

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is they I suppose they can always

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Speaker 1: say that they have age restrictions, and it's often thirteen

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Speaker 1: on a lot of these platforms. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: you also do know that, and I think when this

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Speaker 1: is being done, there is a knowledge that, yes, in theory,

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Speaker 1: you might say that there's an age restriction of the

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Speaker 1: thirteen and to block them out if they say that

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Speaker 1: they are younger than thirteen years old, But who checks that.

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Speaker 1: That's also another thing because they can put in any

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Speaker 1: date of birth and suddenly they're hooked they have friends

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Speaker 1: in school that help them with these accountants, Suddenly they're hooked.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the other thing is that you're putting content

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Speaker 2: on four people younger than thirteen, and you know you're

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Speaker 2: doing that, so I think, you know, I think I'll

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Speaker 2: probably throw that back in their face. So, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the other argument would come that the parents, the care

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Speaker 2: give us, the guardians had a responsibility here.

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Speaker 1: Totally. Yes, the care give us do have a responsibility,

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Speaker 1: and that's often been said, but how many caregivers can

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Speaker 1: actually say or how many parents can actually say that

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Speaker 1: they know that their children don't have access through a

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Speaker 1: device when they're not around, when they're at school, that's

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Speaker 1: there isn't another child who brought a device into the

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Speaker 1: school that they could be they could be checking when

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Speaker 1: there are wherever where there's a computer, lap that they

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Speaker 1: are not secretly looking at YouTube by logging on with

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Speaker 1: an account that has an age restriction that they made up.

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Speaker 1: It's all these things, and interestingly as well that this

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Speaker 1: is also not the only case right where this one

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Speaker 1: was looking at addiction, that there has been another case

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Speaker 1: where they have to pay. I believe it's about six

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Speaker 1: billion rand in South African terms. In New Mexico again

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Speaker 1: also in the United States, and this one is on

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Speaker 1: content and on the fact that they knowingly ignore the

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Speaker 1: fact that there are people who pitch adults contents to

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Speaker 1: young children. One of the people testifying their said there

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Speaker 1: was even a sex proposal to an undera child that

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Speaker 1: they also ignored. And there are mainly such cases that

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Speaker 1: they're accused of. And they also lost that case because

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Speaker 1: they said, listen, they need to pay an equivalent of

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Speaker 1: what would be over six billion rand in South African terms.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, do you think Meta and YouTube are

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Speaker 2: they're going to change the way they do things because

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Speaker 2: this is I mean, this is certainly bad for their image,

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Speaker 2: for their pr And this is a court finding, and sometimes,

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Speaker 2: particularly in the States, one court finding can lead to

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Speaker 2: other court findings can lead to all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: Well, in these particular cases, it seems like they're saying

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Speaker 1: that they're not at fault here. They feel like they've

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Speaker 1: been found guilty of something that they shouldn't have been

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Speaker 1: found guilty of. So in all nightiness, you we're going

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Speaker 1: to see appeals. They are trying to fight this and

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Speaker 1: saying that wait a minute, we've created all sorts of

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Speaker 1: mechanisms to ensure that safety is their children are not

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Speaker 1: their children are not exposed to the content that they

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be exposed to. So already, from the statements that

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Speaker 1: they are releasing and from the spokespersons that are seeing,

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Speaker 1: they're saying, well, they're not at fault here. They've been

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Speaker 1: found you to something that is not they're doing so.

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Speaker 2: I mean, see Pumela. It's difficult to read this, but

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Speaker 2: you get a sense that bits of the world are

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Speaker 2: beginning to really turn against social media for people under

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Speaker 2: the age of eighteen or sixteen. Things Australia that did

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Speaker 2: this first, Other countries are looking at it. I'm almost

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Speaker 2: certain that if you went into South Africa and asked parents,

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Speaker 2: that would be an overwhelming ban until the age of sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as the balances the tide, let me use

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Speaker 2: that phrase, turning against these organizations a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit, well totally. It almost reminds you of some of

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Speaker 1: the cases, for example, the turn against the cigarettes industry,

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Speaker 1: the tobacco industry in the nineteen nineties, for example. This

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Speaker 1: is sort of similar to that where something that was

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Speaker 1: one socially acceptable is being seen to have massive repercussions

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Speaker 1: and negative repercussions. And in this particular case, the young

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Speaker 1: lady who was sewing in that particular case said, it's

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Speaker 1: severely impacted her social skills and herself socially, and she

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Speaker 1: fell into a deep depression because of her addiction to

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Speaker 1: these social media platforms. So that definitely is a turn,

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Speaker 1: and it's sort of like similar to a turn that

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Speaker 1: once upon a time we saw against the tobacco industry.

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Speaker 2: See permellla Zandi. Thanks so much to take a expert.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not one to give parenting advice. I

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Speaker 2: know how difficult it is to bring up kids. I

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Speaker 2: know keeping them busy helps, but keeping them busiest hard work, pattish.

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Speaker 2: How you keep them of social media advice?

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Speaker 1: Please