1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Seven. Let's walk, let's talk. Mister Malema. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back to seven o two. Yeah, we our listeners 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: have missed you so much. You haven't been around in 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: the number of years. 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: We're happy to have you here. Thank you for coming through. 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: And remember, if you want to watch this conversation, you 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: can just check out our YouTube channel because we're streaming 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: it live. So just go to the seven o two 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: YouTube page. If you want to follow this conversation, listen 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: and watch at the same time. Mister Alema, I want 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: us to start with, of course, what's currently happening. We 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: have a situation where the SAPs National Police Commissioner is 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: due to appear in court. We told the police Minister 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: confirmed on my show not so long ago that he's 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: going to be charged with violating the Public Finance Management Act. 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: What do you think of what's currently playing out now? 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 3: Well, I think that where there was doing Police Act, 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: if there are no ulterior motives, no one should be 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: above the law. Irrespective of the position you hold and 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: whatever is the opening, you will never have any impact 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: on the Malanga Commission or the Adult Committee and so 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: on and so forth. There's no way we can say 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: the law must not take its course because these other 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: processes that are happening. If these processes are showing us 25 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: some information police were not exposed to and now they 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: know they should act, it doesn't matter with the person 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: is we are all innocent until proven guilty, and if 28 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: he is innocent, he will be be able to exonerate 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: himself at the court of law. 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are number of political parties that are not 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: now calling for him to be placed on precautionary suspension. 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: Is that something you'd support us the eff? 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Well, this is the law. 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: Once the police missioner is before the court, it is 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 3: expected that you are put on a suspension. But it's 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: not an expulsion. I mean, once issues are convased and 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 3: things are in order, he will be able. 38 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: To return to his position. Yes. 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, though, around issues of the SAPs, we've got 40 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: twelve officers top corps to a period yesterday. I mean, 41 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: we have the head of Intelligence that was charged. We 42 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: have now the National Police Commissioner was about to be charged. 43 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: The Deputy National Police Commissioner for Crime Detection is suspended, 44 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: the Houting head of the organized crime is suspended, head 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: of the Hawks in Casata and is suspended. It really 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: looks like this is an SAPs in this array. Do 47 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 2: you think this speaks to the factions in no plice 48 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: you believe those exists? 49 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no, there are no fections. 50 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: Kanas exposed some of the road, which is a depending 51 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 3: in the police and this is just coming out, and 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: we should appreciate the fact that this thing is coming 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: out because to functionalize it is to suggest that certain 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: people are being accused of non existing things, and me 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: and you are not in a position to can pass 56 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: such a judgment. I don't think every time a person 57 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: is arrested we should be alarmed, because people get arrested 58 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 3: when there is some prima fac evidence, and that warrant 59 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: of arrest is ordinarily given by either the magistrate or 60 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: the judge, depending on the seriousness of the charges. And 61 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: there should be buena fides that are given to law enforcement. 62 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: But I don't think there is any factionalism. I think 63 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: there was a group of people who thought they were untouchable, 64 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: people who are doing things as they wish, and they 65 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: thought the way above the law. I mean, let's take 66 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: Severs for instance, and tumulus case. They buy fridges and 67 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: to award good performing police officers in the Nan provinces 68 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: and Matala sponsors them with ten fridges. They give nine 69 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: to police officers and give severe the remaining fridge. So 70 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: once a person starts stealing even such smallest things, you 71 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: must know they've been doing big things and and they've 72 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: been behaving like no one can touch them, and now 73 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: things are coming out. If you can steal a fridge 74 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: at that level and not stealing as and you went 75 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: to steal it, they said no, it was the remaining one. 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 3: He was a good police officer, a senior, and then 77 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: we gave him a fridge out of his own conscience, 78 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: he should have said, they are more disaving police on theerground, 79 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: Let's identify one and give this fridge to that person. 80 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: But that is a demonstration of to what extent is 81 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: the road in the souther policies. 82 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: And speaking of General khanas have you buried the hatchet 83 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: with him? I know you were unhappy about what he 84 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: said about your relations with General Khan. What exactly were 85 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: you unhappy about regarding the statement he made? 86 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: You know Kans firstly, he is very sensitive. He thinks 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: he can be criticized or anyone must say anything good 88 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: about any other police officer except himself, and that has 89 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 3: got nothing to do with what he has presented. I 90 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: will deal with those facts when it comes to the 91 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: adult committee. I'll participate objectively. And that's me. I don't 92 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: care about who thinks what about me. I deal with 93 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: the truth. He goes to mad Lanel Commission. He speaks 94 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: about General Khan and he says, to Madlanal Commission. 95 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: You remember General Khan, is that one ied a dinner 96 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: of the e ff. 97 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: He just throws the eff into the space where it's 98 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: not necessary. General Khan has got it doesn't need a 99 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: definition of the eff. It's General Can's employed in SABS 100 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: and this is his level. He says he exenerated him 101 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: because he's a good police officer. If anything, the police 102 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: should have given Can and award for doing what he 103 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: did when it's some corrupt police from stealing drugs. Then 104 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 3: he goes to the adult committee. He speaks very better 105 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: of me, and I'm not there morning. I've got the 106 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: funeral at home. I've taken leave of absence to go 107 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 3: and attend to the federal at home. I'm not at 108 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: the adult committee. He says the things about me which 109 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: he didn't say when I was there. He says, yeah, 110 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: some of you, MPC, because that's how he speaks. He 111 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 3: speaks us in a very condescending manner, like it's some 112 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: posts of ours. We will will not be pushed around 113 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: by a police officer. We've not broken the law. The 114 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 3: only time a police officer must do that to us 115 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 3: is when we're broken the law. Some of you are 116 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 3: praisings in two Mulata's in two. Moll can be a 117 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: National commissioner. 118 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: She can be. She's highly qualified. And I never said 119 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: she can. She must be. I said, look at your credentials. 120 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: They get destroyed by a spear of a moment because 121 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: you interacted with a criminal, and all of that work 122 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: you did in the police gets destroyed. But if we're 123 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: to look for a female a National commissioner, you spend 124 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: a very good chance. But you messed it up by 125 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: entingling yourself with criminals that I spoke good about. The 126 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: two million that's in two. Milla can be a National 127 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: commissioner and not him. That is an offense because if 128 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: you don't speak about him as a National commissioner, he 129 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: takes offense about that. And and and he says, yeah, Malema, 130 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: who is a known man Khan Khan who's well known 131 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: to Julius Malema and all of that. But he doesn't 132 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: tell how and he says I met Malema through Car. 133 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: He doesn't tell how he met me. He called, I 134 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: went and if we had the media with research campas 135 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: in South Africa, you should be playing that clip. I 136 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: went to a rally in a case at n I 137 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: criticized him about Aka's matter. I said, mccannazi our before 138 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: he did this July thing, our favorite provincial commissioner. I 139 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: love him so much, but I'm beginning to have thouts 140 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: because he's not making a move on Aka's case. Where 141 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: a killer kills such a high profile person in front 142 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: of a camera and we can't find that person. That 143 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: makes Mochal of the whole policing system in souther Free 144 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: sensitive Mucana's couldn't take that criticism. He called Khan and 145 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: asked for a meeting with me, and Can called me. 146 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: Can is well known. Car is a comrade, well known 147 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 3: to me. I knew him from day in sea time. 148 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 3: Inasmuch as I know so many of all of them, 149 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: I'm not a a arrive at least in the national politics. 150 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people. Can't says no, that 151 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: this guy was asking to see you, and then I said, okay, 152 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: that's fine. If you are comfortable and you know him, 153 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: you can come and we meet. He comes with cant 154 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: was there. We are not received them into the meeting, 155 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: and that's when he gave me a brief about Ak's 156 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: case and said, the guys are arrested, but they're not 157 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: arrested because of Aka's case. They're arrested about something else. 158 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 3: I'm just at the tail end of finishing the evidence 159 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: on ak a Is matter. 160 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: Then I'm going to charge them. 161 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: With AKA smet but I would not reveal it because 162 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 3: if I reveal it, Beggy Girl is going to tamper 163 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: with this evidence and mess up this case. 164 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: So just to clarify, then he's the one that contacted 165 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: Can't because I listened to that keep in this morning. 166 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: The suggestion he makes is can't for some reason, you 167 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: as can then to arrange a meeting with him, and 168 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: he said in that clip, we didn't need can to 169 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: arrange this meeting. You could have just contacted. I didn't 170 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: want anything. I called him for a meeting for what. 171 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: I didn't want anything from him? What did he why 172 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: when I called him, he must say I called. I called, 173 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 2: can't to call him because of what you know. 174 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 3: I once said in a press conference, Masemola General Macemola 175 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: can't send an email, he can't type, he's got no capacity. 176 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: You can send an email. 177 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 3: I was told by Khanas in that meeting that Macemola 178 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: can't write an email. Yeah, he told me that in 179 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: that meeting. You can ask about it. You can ask 180 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: about it. And that's when I was confident to say 181 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: it in public because it came from a credible cop 182 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 3: that the National Commissioner doesn't know how to send an 183 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: email and he has surrounded himself with female generals because 184 00:10:54,280 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: he's scared of male generals who are going to challenging 185 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: because he's got no capacity. 186 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: And I said that. 187 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: I repeated that in public, in confidence because I was 188 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: told by by him by him. 189 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: There are people who've characterized your criticism of Kanasi as 190 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: an attack, even so recent influence tweeting that you know 191 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: Kanasim must be shielded from all petty, egotistical pompers and 192 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: parasitic attacks. You don't think that was an attack, do you? 193 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, no, that's I'm repeating it. 194 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: Anyone can hold any any view, any shot sounder Man's 195 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 3: view on this math. 196 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: I don't care. 197 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: I've got my own views and I speak facts. He 198 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: must never Kanas use e f f or tu les 199 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: malemore c c as a weight to General Khan if 200 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: he wants to insult can. He says, e Ff Malema 201 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: dinner of e Ff. What is that has got to 202 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: do with anything. We've never done anything to that. He's 203 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: just taking us and you expect us to fold our arms. 204 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: He says, I met my Lema through Khan, suggesting some impropriety, 205 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: and he lives there. He lives the sentence there. So 206 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: once you don't tell the full truth, it amounts to 207 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: a lie. You're lying. Why are you hiding that? You 208 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 3: called Khan and you spoke very bad about your minister 209 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: to me, and you spoke very bad about your additional 210 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: commissioner to me. He must know khanas I'm not scared 211 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 3: of a policeman. I've never provoked him, I've never said anything. 212 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: But he must stop tregging my name. And people say 213 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: Malema is saying all of these things because he's got 214 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: anything to hide. 215 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: Why would I say that if. 216 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: I've got anything to hide, so such powerful for people 217 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: who are arresting people willing illy. I mean, look at 218 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: that security guy a Calvin in a case at nd 219 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: Kuanas goes and litigate with Calvin in court and then 220 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: he says this guy is defaming him and all of 221 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 3: that rightful. 222 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: So Mukna's wins. He doesn't wait a day. 223 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: He goes and apply for such warrant against Calvin himself. 224 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: He's involved directly involved in searching Calvin and all of that. 225 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: I'm not here, I've got I hold no brief for Calvin. 226 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: But why would you do that when you know you 227 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: and this guy have got issues. That's an extreme conflict. 228 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: You should assign someone and say, look, I received this information, 229 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: please deal with it, because if I deal with it, it's 230 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 3: going to appear like I'm revenging because I was with 231 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 3: this guy just yesterday or in the morning with him 232 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: in court. 233 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: You have set through the ad hoc committee. There's been 234 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: hearings after hearings, allegations after allegations, lots of witnesses who've 235 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: appeared there. Do you think the work of the committee 236 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: has helped this country at least understand more about the 237 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: allegations that General Kana made. 238 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're seeing arrest now, we're seeing prosecutions. You know, 239 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: ma Similar made one point when it was this that 240 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: since Kanas spoke, we've seen people being prosecuted in johannesbegam 241 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: In houting people who are not being prosecuted and all 242 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: of that. So all of this helped to get us 243 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: some way who might not be way we want to be. 244 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: And we've not finalized our report. Clement. This thing is 245 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: very simple. You make an allegation, you bring proof. You 246 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: are not God, you're not Jesus Christ. That it comes 247 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: from you is truth, if it's not being bagged by anything. 248 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: That's what a doc committee's got to be sised with. 249 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter whether I hate Senemkun or not. I 250 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: have to deal with the facts. Did evalid the constitution? 251 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: Did he go beyond this executive mandate? And if I 252 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: say so, what am I basing that on legal not 253 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: for political experience that he comes from the NC. I 254 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: come from the EFF and therefore I must project the 255 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: ANC person in a negative flight even when there are 256 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: no facts. 257 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: That's not me. 258 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: I deal with facts before me, and even mcanas when 259 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: I go to that committee, whatever he said, will deal 260 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: with it correctly. 261 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: Let me give you example. 262 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: Says s Tumula is very manipulatives trained intelligence. He must 263 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: not be trusted. I saw him here saying things and 264 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: all of that. He must not be trusted. Then he 265 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: comes back, he says, so Tumule in a police jet 266 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 3: told Masemola and begging that Severe said they must no 267 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: longer intervene in the matter between him and Severe because 268 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: the ci C of the eff is going to intervene. 269 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: As a result, Tele and Masemola pulled out. Now because 270 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: now sin Tumuli it's not saying anything negative about him. 271 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: Sintmula must be believed that Sintumula was correct. But let 272 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: me tell you, Mama Syba never called me to intervene 273 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: between him and Anders. I actually got to know about 274 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: that when these things started. That these people have got 275 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: the issues that I didn't know about. But I must 276 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 3: tell you, he Severe approach me and say there's a 277 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: fight between me and this general, and I think you're 278 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 3: the credible person who can intervene. I was going to 279 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: do it because I'm not doing crime. I'm two Black 280 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: African generals are fighting and they think Julius Malema can 281 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: mediate to bring us together. 282 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: I will do that. How close is your relationship with 283 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: General Seba. I don't have any relationship with Sea. 284 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: You know, Severe started talking to him when they kidnapped 285 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: a bid the harless wife and the child, and I 286 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: know a bit the hel The matter was not going anyway. 287 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 3: And then I called General Severe because I know him 288 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 3: from a Johannes Big City council and so I called 289 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: him about that matter that AB has been trying everywhere 290 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: nothing is opening. It's a head of detectives. So I 291 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: called a relevant person and he said, no, we'll deal 292 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 3: with it. I will attend to it. 293 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: That's it. 294 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 3: And then second time I called Severe is when Jero 295 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: Busho has Man called me. She still calls me till today, 296 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 3: even on my bed day. She wished me every bed 297 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: day because she's very happy that even if there is 298 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: no progress, but they seem to be someone who's following 299 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 3: up on my child's matter. Why am I doing that. 300 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 3: I'm a public representative, I'm a member of parliament. I'm 301 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 3: a leader of a political party. When people bring issues 302 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: to me, I will send them to relevant authorities. I 303 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: didn't appoint Severe as a general of a head of detectives. 304 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: They said Severe is a general head of detectives, meaning 305 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 3: if with any issue with the police, this man is 306 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: one of the credible people instead of I dealt with 307 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: him under that context, not because I've got any criminality 308 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: or any dealings with Severe. I don't have anything with 309 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 3: Severe or anyone. The person I know that we eat 310 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: from the same late, we drain from the same cap 311 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 3: is Castle Mattal, the Deputy Minister of Police. But when 312 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 3: we're together, we don't speak about police. We don't speak 313 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 3: about A and C, we don't speak about EFF. We 314 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: never engage on issues that have got potential to make 315 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: us different views. We are family members. We belong to 316 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: the same family of bi hib and that we found 317 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: out when we're in a strategy. So our relationship then 318 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 3: went beyond issues of politics. But I knew Begile, I 319 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: still know Begil, I still speak with Begile, but it 320 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: is nothing to do with what I'm doing in parliament 321 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: and the line of questioning there in parliament. You could 322 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: see that my relationship with him has got nothing to 323 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 3: do with the I can't say friendship, but me and 324 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: Imavilkodian and we're in the A and C together. I 325 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: know these comedy but I've got no dealings with him. 326 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: I've got nothing to do with them. I'm just mentioning 327 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: these names because they are in their police as it were. 328 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: Twenty six minutes after ten o'clock the dialogue with Clement 329 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: Man Taylor, it's not just another roundtable discussion. Let's walk 330 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: the talk on SAVEN. 331 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 2: Twenty eight minutes after ten outlogged Julius Malema in conversation 332 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 2: with us this morning, and I want to wrap up 333 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: the issues around the adult Committy now, mister Maleema, from 334 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: what we've heard so far, do you think the texti 335 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: industry is somehow involved in the criminal catails that's been 336 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: testified about because some witnesses at the Malama commission said 337 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: that Catel was headed by the late taxi boss King 338 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 2: was Cbe. In fact, one of the detectives called him 339 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: the Cattel's president. From what you've heard, the evidence you've had, 340 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: are you convinced there's a link. 341 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: Well, I know CIV very well. Mcbe is the founder 342 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: of Santago. You know, Santaco is what brought all the 343 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: taxi associations together and then they formed Santago. 344 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: So he formed some Santago. I think. 345 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: Amongst other people would have been Amanda and I'm forgetting 346 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: his surname is a big surname in case in the Texas, 347 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 3: so Mandabaya. 348 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: So so we were not. 349 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 3: Our terms of reference was not to investigate whether there 350 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: is a taxi a cattail that has captured the criminal 351 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: justice system. Our terms of reference is that we're looking 352 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 3: for drag cattel called the Big five for the something 353 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 3: five cat held that drug cattail has captured the criminal 354 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 3: justice system, including private individuals who are who have control over. 355 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: The criminal justice system. 356 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: That's why in our dealings we never called anyone from 357 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: Taxis Association to come. Otherwise would have said to Joseph Unicom, 358 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 3: want to understand what role are you playing guys in 359 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: the criminal justice system, or. 360 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: Anything of that sort. 361 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 3: So in the Adult Committee, there was nothing fundamentally that 362 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 3: suggested that takesi industry as an industry captures the captured 363 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 3: the criminal justice system and as a result ran the 364 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: criminal justice system. For instance, when they said that white 365 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: arrogant man, I'm forgetting his name now. 366 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: In frustrated ip Polo s eleven, we called. 367 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: Him it's an individual, We called him so had they 368 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: said this or that person in the in the taxi industry. 369 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: They're using the taxi industry to influence the criminal justice system. 370 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: We'll call them. 371 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 3: I mean one of the big fights I had with 372 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: my brother as Cossan, we kept on saying, no, even 373 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: judges are involved. 374 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: Even judge, I said, don't generalize. 375 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: If there's a judge who is involved in undermining the 376 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 3: criminal justice system, mentioned the name and give us reasons 377 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 3: why you're saying so, as long as you establish the 378 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: prima faky, there's no judge. War screed to call that 379 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 3: name has never come through. We're told National prosecutive Authority 380 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 3: is captured. Who of the prosecutors came before the ADOCT committee. 381 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: It was like, we're investigating sabs and subs is not 382 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 3: the criminal justice system. Criminal justice system includes correctional saves, 383 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: the judiciary, the National prosecuting Authority, and the police and 384 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 3: so on and so forth. The people who are at 385 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 3: the center of this investigation, where the police and police 386 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: are not a criminal justice system. So we have never 387 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: been told of anyone, including CB, except when Vehicle was 388 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: asked whether I know I know CIB I spoke at 389 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: this funeral. Julius was there Spoget this Feneral Badula Spoget 390 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: this funeral. 391 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: But you only know him as the president of Santako. 392 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 2: You've never really been to his No, not as president 393 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: of the founder. Yeah, I know him as a tax boss. 394 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: Have you been to his family? 395 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: Yes, I've been. 396 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 3: I've been to his wedding, I've been to the white wedding, 397 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 3: the traditional wedding. I've been to his funeral, and in 398 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: every place where I've been, I've never been underground. It 399 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 3: has been public and I'm a noticeable figure with a 400 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 3: huge presence, so I can't be there. 401 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: No budice is that I'm there. 402 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: Are you surprised now then by the allegations that are 403 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: coming out against him, I will. 404 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: Not be surprised. 405 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: If you know taxed people, they are sorts of allegations 406 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: against them, that they're involved in this and that, amongst 407 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 3: other things, they're killing. But I was not going to 408 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: know a boss, a taxi boss, because I deal with 409 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 3: those people. I transport people to my eff rallies and 410 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 3: those people of taxi's own buses. By the way, you 411 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: need buses, those are the people you have to talk to. 412 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: And it is only natural that I have to know them. 413 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 3: I know Josh Vayun, I've been to his events. Do 414 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 3: I do anything criminal with them? 415 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: No? 416 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: They are taxing posses. 417 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: And if a leader of this country is going to 418 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 3: be success fully leading this country, you have to know 419 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: the ecosystem of this country. And that's what I did. 420 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: I've got nothing. And even when I spoke at So, 421 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 3: I said, you know, whatever you can think about me 422 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: and this man, I've never done business with this man. 423 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: The only thing I did with him was to engage 424 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 3: in Robert's debate because it was very augmentative. And what 425 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: every time we meet we argue about this or that. Okay, 426 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: it's ten thirty four. 427 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: The dialogue with Clement, it's not just another roundtable discussion. 428 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: Let's walk the talk. On seven O. 429 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: Two, it's going up to twenty minutes before eleven otlock. 430 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: We continue with our conversation with the leader of the 431 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: eff Julius Mallem. I see, oh what's up's coming on 432 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 2: seven twenty seven O two and seven out two. I'll 433 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: get to them in a moment your cause as well. 434 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: Onh one one eight A three oh seven oh two. 435 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: Mister Malima, let's talk about local government for a bit, 436 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: what's the strategy around coalitions in how they I mean, 437 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 2: you've been back and forth with a Gurulaine for a while. 438 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: Now, what's going on there? Well, this is the nature 439 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: of coalitions. 440 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: Once you've got the coalition government, and when someone wants 441 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 3: to be arrogant as if they have won a power, 442 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: then that leads to the collapse of the coalitions. So, 443 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 3: for instance, let's take the coalition in Twany. There's no 444 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 3: one who's arrogant there. Hermann's person is a mayor. Mayor 445 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: of Twany, always readily available to talk and negotiate about 446 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 3: this or that issue. But you've got the mayor in 447 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 3: a in a Kurulin who thinks that it's nineteen ninety 448 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: seven where the ANC won seventy five percent or something 449 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: because he likes that intelligence. And then you've got Panyaza, 450 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 3: who is in a minority government, who understands very well 451 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: that I have to talk to every one and and 452 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 3: and try to incorporate everybody's idea into my speech, into 453 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 3: my budget, into my planning because I have not won elections. 454 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: And in Johannese Bag we've been very stable because the 455 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: mayor has been engaging with the leadership of the e 456 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: FF at that level. And with the new leadership of 457 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 3: the NC in Johannese Bag, things are even much more easier. 458 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 3: You know, there is some sense of direction of where 459 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: we're going now because there was uncertainty of the conference 460 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. So well, we're more 461 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: than fine in Johannesburg. We we that Rea isn't why 462 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 3: we didn't vote for the budget last time. It was 463 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 3: to protest the issue of equurulin. Where our four MMCs 464 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: gets removed. Dounga gets removed without consultation. And then the 465 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 3: position of speaker belongs to the EFF. Remember in your 466 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 3: agree FF text speaker and then we'll get to our 467 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 3: speaker to go to the legislature, so that Dounga can 468 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: be a speaker. You take away from the speaker, We 469 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 3: take that person from the EFF and you give it 470 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 3: to a C. Today now at ten o'clock they must 471 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 3: vote for a budget in the provincial government. 472 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: They must go and call. 473 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 3: Aic to come and vote for him, because they've removed 474 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: the e f F for Aic. 475 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: The mayor of a Kuruleiny, when I interviewed him, he 476 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: said Dounga was removed for non performance and he was 477 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: complaining that the provincial government in the ANC at national 478 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 2: level often wants to put pressure on him, even when 479 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: he says he can see that some of the e 480 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: FMP is, like in Dunga nonperforming. 481 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: No, Dunga was one of the best. I mean the 482 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: you know. The good thing with. 483 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: MMC of Finance there is numbers. Numbers speak for themselves. 484 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: Service providers are not being paid in Kuruleni. During Dunga's time. 485 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 3: He called all of them with the historic Dad, put 486 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 3: them in a hall, set up the finance stuff. 487 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: Each and every one of them had. 488 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: To go and explain why he's not being paid and 489 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: if the stories did not make sense, these people are 490 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 3: deserving to be paid. 491 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: They were paid. 492 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: The finances of that institution were in good conditions and 493 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: they were still winning awards for Dounga's term even when 494 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: Dounga was gone. So he absolutely doesn't know what to 495 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: talk about. Because Dounga is not a ball boy. He's 496 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 3: not going to push around Dounga and think that Dounga 497 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 3: is a member of the NC. He's got a problem 498 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: with Dounga. You talk to the e FF because it 499 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: is the EFF that gave you Dunga. The NC they 500 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: said they want a mayor, we gave them a mayor. 501 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: We didn't give them a name. Even this underhead of 502 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: THEIRS in Kuru Lane, with all the senandigans, we can 503 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: only say remove this person. But once they remove that person, 504 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: we can't say put suns So we can't dictate to 505 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: the ancs to who they must put. He's got no authority, 506 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: no notsoever to dictate to the eff FU the eff 507 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 3: must put. He must know that the ANC is going 508 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 3: to be in serious crisis, not only Niko Lan everywhere 509 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 3: else because of him, and the ANC must make him 510 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 3: to care that responsibility alone and him alone. There's no 511 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 3: way whey Ff has been arrogant about anything in the 512 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: Coalisian government because we know we have to work in 513 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 3: the best interest of our people. 514 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: But you must not forget we're in politics here. 515 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 3: If we're being delegitimized and being volated and being made irrelevant, 516 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 3: there's no way we're not going to fight back. 517 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 518 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: Well, one of the questions the listeners must because when 519 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: I told them you're coming on the show, and I 520 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: saw one question that came out a lot was of 521 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: course regarding the allegations that came out at the Maginal 522 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: Commissioner whether or not you, as the a FF are 523 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: involved in contracts in these metros where you're involved in coalitions. 524 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: Can you state categorically that you don't use your MMCs 525 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: as the EFF to try and get access to tenders 526 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: or give tenders to specific companies that are linked to 527 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: the organization. 528 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 3: We don't do that. But also it lemented nothing like 529 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 3: that came out of Madlanga. There's nothing like that. They 530 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: said the DVD A Chief of police called seven companies 531 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 3: and then he gave them too. 532 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: To that in coursing. 533 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: Then he asked in coursing, please ask the CFO if 534 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 3: these are legitimate companies from the EFF. They never said 535 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 3: the companies away from someone gave them the list and 536 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 3: they wanted to authenticate whether that is from the EFF. 537 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: They never said there was any authentication by the e 538 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 3: FF that this is their least, there's not such an 539 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 3: allegation that the e f F gave them a list. 540 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: The EFF doesn't get involved in tenders. The EFF doesn't 541 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: give anyone a list and say to the following, we 542 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 3: don't know the CFL, we don't know the Deputy chief 543 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 3: of Police. We don't know COSI. They are all employed 544 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 3: by governments in those municipalities. We never employed any CFO, 545 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 3: We never employed any deputy chief of police. We never 546 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: employed in COSI. To an extent that we can give them, 547 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: you know, a list and say this is the list 548 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: of the EFF. That is a complete lie. They must 549 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 3: tell you who gave them a list. They were still 550 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 3: coming to verify the list with me and I'm still 551 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 3: waiting for them to come to me and ask me 552 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: is this an e f F list. I'll ask them 553 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 3: for the minutes where such a decision was taken to 554 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 3: send such name. 555 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: Will you support calls for an investigation into the CFO. 556 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: There's the FF in council. 557 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: Investigation is more than welcome. But the list doesn't come 558 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: from the CFO. The list comes from the deputy chief 559 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: of Police asking in GOSI to ask the CFO to 560 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 3: investigate the EFF. I'm asking there's any wrongdoing of the 561 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 3: CFO investigating. He's not an e f F member, it's 562 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 3: not an e f F deployee. We have no reason, 563 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: we have not any hold over him, and if there's 564 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: any action, they can take any action. Actually, the MC 565 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: Obergain was telling me that they're the meeting of Escort 566 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 3: or whatever they call it, which take a took a 567 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 3: decision to take action against the CFO, and then we 568 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 3: said we support that. 569 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: There's no problem at. 570 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: All what's happening in cozol Nata. The MK Party the 571 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: other day was telling me that them together with you, 572 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 2: wanted to meet with the ANC because you're trying to 573 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: see if you can form a coalition there. Once you 574 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 2: said MK Party was any min number one, but indicated 575 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: that in areas where we agree we can work with 576 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 2: each other. Is this that area where you think you 577 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: can work with the MK Party? 578 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 3: In case absolutely anything that makes us remove the DA, 579 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 3: will come together and remove it because we don't want 580 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 3: the DA. We want a government that is going to 581 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 3: deliver services to the majority of our people. The DA 582 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 3: is not about the people. It's about the property owners 583 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 3: and defending the property rights. And we know where the 584 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 3: property owners that's what they are consented about. They're not 585 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 3: consented about changing the property ownership patents in South Africa. 586 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: And the MK one majority to vote in case it 587 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 3: and it was not voted by e FF. The FF 588 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 3: has got only two seats. If we come together with NFP. 589 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 3: We only need one, just one from any of those parties. 590 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 3: We constitute a government that is based on the will 591 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 3: of the people of a case it and whether the 592 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 3: MKP has got capacity or not. It's for me and 593 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 3: you to do political commentary. But the people have chosen 594 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 3: and people are governed by the leaders they deserve. They 595 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: said they deserve MKP. Give them, MKP. Why denying them MKAP. 596 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 3: Do you think they have capacity? Though they don't think 597 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 3: they've got capacity. But the good thing with government is 598 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 3: that it there's god systems. It's not like this mk way. 599 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 3: They change people and do really needly things. 600 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: In government. 601 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 3: You do a wrong thing, it doesn't matter whether you 602 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 3: are empty or not, you'll get arrested. Yes, so they 603 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 3: are going to go in there. They are a professional 604 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 3: seven sevens who are going to be working with them 605 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 3: to make sure that they run a proper government to 606 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 3: deliver services to our people. 607 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: It's ten minutes before eleven o'clock. After the break, I 608 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 2: go to your calls. Oh one one seven two, be 609 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 2: quick and shop. You're what's ups as well? On seven 610 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 2: seven two one seven or two. 611 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: The dialogue with tell it's not just another round table discussion. 612 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 2: Let's walk the talk on seven eight minutes before eleven 613 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: outlocks straight to your what a voice not? 614 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 4: What's the confidence in all these political parties? What would 615 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 4: the CIC do should we vote for him in the 616 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 4: hundred days of office? What would he change? I believe 617 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,439 Speaker 4: as well that Joebag needs to be governed by the youth. 618 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 4: I would like to ask if there is anyone in 619 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 4: mind that the C I C would put as a 620 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 4: mayoral candidate as yet, and who is that person? 621 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: As C I C. 622 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 4: I've been watching the members of the EFF here on 623 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 4: the ground like, I don't understand why you professionalizing leadership 624 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 4: from what level? Because indeed, I'm sure you know that 625 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 4: the EFF is losing grip on ground level because of that, 626 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 4: because also leaders that are just you know, out of 627 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 4: place also formal, lady, thank you for every questions. 628 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think I agree fully with the first caller 629 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 3: that Johannesberg needs a young man, needs an energetic person, 630 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 3: and needs a a very you know, aggressive person who's 631 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 3: going to change, especially the inner city with with allowedest 632 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 3: situation where the city has deteriorated. 633 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: But we cannot put mayors before we put manifestos. 634 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 3: We have to put a manifesto so that when we 635 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 3: come to your clement and say can you be an 636 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 3: e F F meyoral candidate, you should have read what 637 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 3: is expected from you and say no, I think I 638 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 3: can do this job. We can't put you first and 639 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 3: give you a manifesto after. So, once the manifest has 640 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 3: been launched, meryoral candidates are going to be announced in 641 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 3: all metros, including strategic municipalities in other provinces. 642 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 2: Okay, the issue about professionalizing the leadership of the e 643 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 2: F on the ground. 644 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: That's what we're doing. 645 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 3: Actually, we're going to issue out the guidelines on who 646 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 3: could help study a candidate, what candidate a mayor and 647 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 3: all of that. We're putting more emphasis on a personal 648 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 3: development where people should have the basic necessity like metric. 649 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 3: Should they be professionals, be reputable people, respectable people, you know, pastors, 650 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 3: traditional leaders and things of that sort. But that will 651 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 3: be issued and I think we're going to have a 652 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 3: meeting after this and then tomorrow Cicity than from there 653 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 3: will publish it. 654 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 2: Do you agree with him though that there are weaknesses 655 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 2: on the ground when it comes to the leadership of 656 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 2: the EFF. 657 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 3: Well, the EFF is a new organization it's still trying 658 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 3: to find it fit. It's turning eighteen years and we've 659 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 3: done wonders and by all indicators, the eff is demonstrating 660 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 3: that it is growing. By professionalizing EFF, I hope the 661 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 3: collar doesn't suggest we must make an elitist organization. Is 662 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 3: this a mass movement and we know what constituted the 663 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 3: masses and they must always find an expression in the 664 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 3: eff wild. We're balancing it with the level of professionalism. 665 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 5: Monent Clement and cc I, can c I s please 666 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 5: maybe elaborate or converse the issue of mesimaolo with regards 667 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 5: to the people who have been moved from their positions 668 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 5: and ultimately got their membership terminated, such as Solon. 669 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: And April and ADS as well. I'm highlighting those twos 670 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: because they were seem to be very, very prominent in 671 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: the REGIP. Thank you very much, Thank you well. 672 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 3: As Selon and April were always engaged in permanent fights 673 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 3: in a municipal where the eff Old fairy serious potential 674 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 3: to win it, and they've always projected themselves to be 675 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 3: bigger than the organization and the organization had to take 676 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 3: action and they were in a much much more better position. 677 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: Money Morning Clement, how are you. 678 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 6: I hope you're well money into ci C as well. 679 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: So what I would like to know. 680 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 6: Clement, is what is ci c's views about the visit 681 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 6: of the President Jacob Zuma at at at the time 682 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 6: of the ants funeral and the views are of the 683 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 6: President about coming together as as black forces and approaching 684 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 6: or confronting the white monopoly and white capitalisy and things 685 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 6: like that. What what what is his views about that? 686 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 3: And yes, that's the visit of President Zuma to my 687 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 3: family is highly appreciated. That as Africans, when someone is 688 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 3: believed and it's a colleague, he's a comrade you have 689 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 3: worked with, there's nothing wrong stopping you to go and 690 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 3: attend that funeral. I mean Dalumpov was there, a very 691 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 3: dalump mom. I spoke at dump and it is only 692 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 3: human is African And President Zuma never said who must 693 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 3: come together as we as he said with our different 694 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 3: political formations when it comes to issues of black people 695 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 3: and Africans in particular, for us to survive this exploitation 696 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 3: and operasion of black people from time to time when 697 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 3: issues are confronting our people, we need to come together 698 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 3: and work to defeat this or prey continuous oppression of 699 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 3: black people, who never said collapse, MK, collapse eff bring 700 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 3: everybody together, less from one party. He said, we've got 701 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,320 Speaker 3: two different political parties, but where the interests are common, 702 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 3: we shouldn't hesitate to work together. And we're not confused 703 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 3: about that and we agree or hurted limp with it. 704 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 3: I mean, we fought a lot with President Zuma baddistals. 705 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 3: So I need to come and say sorry to them 706 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 3: family for what happened. There are people I buried, their parents. 707 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 3: They never even sent me a message. I mean one 708 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 3: of them. I went to their famil home and they 709 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 3: were feeding people, letting fish. At the funeral, I had 710 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 3: to take a desciend there and then went by a cow. 711 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 3: And today they insult me during my bereavement. No, no, 712 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 3: I mean that will be a level of degeneration. 713 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: You know, some of them. 714 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 3: I took them to circumversation by the way I took 715 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 3: them little to hospital to be circumcised. And today the 716 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 3: thing they can speak to me, the way they want 717 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 3: so and the things we did to praise the Zuma 718 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 3: and it's able to put aside those things and still 719 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,720 Speaker 3: come together and say sorry. Always when a black person dies, 720 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 3: it affects all of us. Is that majority? Not mutuality? 721 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 3: But I've not done anything to President Zoom except to 722 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 3: fight with him. I'm just giving you example of people 723 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 3: I did things for them and then they still say 724 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 3: all manner of things, and I look at them, I'm like, 725 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 3: before you can take care of any nation, learn to 726 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 3: take care of your family first. 727 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: By the way, is the Doorstoll opened from We send 728 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: it to come back if you want us. 729 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,439 Speaker 3: And never resigned. I mean took a political t shirt 730 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 3: of another political party. And the only thing that stops 731 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 3: a person from coming back to the EFF is when 732 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 3: you take up a membership or a T shirt of 733 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 3: another political party. So if he comes back to the 734 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 3: EFF and you'll stop him, which laws or constitution sections 735 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 3: of the question of the EF will be using to 736 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 3: stop him. 737 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 2: Mister Malema, thank you so much for coming back to 738 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 2: seven or two to engage with us. 739 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you for