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Speaker 4: I've never seen anyone with a bib on or anything

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Speaker 3: do have a notice board at the riding arena entrance

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Speaker 3: anybody wanting to make contact with us can go to

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's good to know, Janine, thanks for asking. And

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Speaker 1: then Susan on the email says, I have not been

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Speaker 1: back to Takai Forest since this crime happened. Is there

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Speaker 1: the murder? I know, do you want to explain what

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Speaker 1: has been created there?

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Speaker 2: Nikki?

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Speaker 3: Sure, so we if at the actual site on you know,

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Speaker 3: when they're that very very big memorial war was held

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Speaker 3: ten years ago, Francisca's parents planted across and that cross

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Speaker 3: is still there and we have we've created an area

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Speaker 3: keep that clear. So there is actually a living memorial.

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Speaker 2: As it were.

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Speaker 3: It is a cross that is there and everybody can

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Speaker 1: Before we run out of time, Nikki, as I mentioned

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Speaker 1: you just share with our listeners what is going to

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Speaker 3: Well, people really just need to turn up. We will

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Speaker 3: provide ribbons. We will meet at nine o'clock on Saturday morning.

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Speaker 3: We are being supported by the local clime watchers, by

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Speaker 2: It really is to just say.

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Speaker 3: We will not forget and we will continue in our.

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Speaker 2: Quest to make this a safe space.

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Speaker 3: The ribbon gate, for those who don't know, is on

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Speaker 1: And what time should people meet on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Niki So if they are there by nine o'clock, that

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Speaker 3: will be great. We will be there from about eight

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Speaker 3: thirty onwards, putting up our banners and meeting.

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Speaker 2: Our service providers in neighborhood watch partners.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Nikki, thank you so much. Thank you for all

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Speaker 1: of the work that has gone into reframing the space

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Speaker 1: you personally, but from every volunteer who's been part of that.

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Speaker 1: A big thank you to all of them, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for letting us know about the walk this weekend. I

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Speaker 1: hope you will see keep Talk audience members joining in

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Speaker 1: on Saturday morning. Appreciate your time. Thanks for Nicki Smith,

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Speaker 1: founder of Parkscape. So once again nine o'clock on Saturday

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Speaker 1: morning at the Ribbon Gate. If you'd like to be

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Speaker 1: part of the Seer's Memorial Walk,