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Now we are casting our travel sites 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: much further afield today because we're doing some travel to 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: Southeast Asia to explore Vietnam, and our tour guide is 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: going to be a very familiar voice to you if 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: you're a longtime Cape Talk listener, because Martin Meers hosts 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: the Business of Entertainment segment on Thursday evenings, but today 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: I've asked him to come in and talk to us 13 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: about his recent trip to Vietnam and to share some 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: insights on what it is like as a destination for 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: South Africans to visit. If you too have had the 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to visit this country, we would love for you 17 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: to join the conversation. Tell us when you went, where 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: you went, what you saw, what you ate, because I 19 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: know that's a big part of the Vietnamese experience. What 20 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: were your favorite moments? What advice would you share papas 21 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: of WhatsApp voice note or text to seven two five 22 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: six seven one five sixty seven Martin. You were gone 23 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: so long and you were clearly having so much fun. 24 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: I was worried you were ever going to come back, 25 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: but glad to have you back with us. 26 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: Thank you. My wife and I were almost in tears 27 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: when we left on it. We left South Africa on 28 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: the fifteenth of December and came back on the twenty 29 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: third of January where we were going to come back 30 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: on the tenth and my wife said to me, now, 31 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: but Baba, your birthdays on the twentieth of January one. 32 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: Did we just add in our long bay? So we 33 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: added in a long bay and then and then we 34 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 2: left after that, but we started right down in the South. 35 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: If I could give you the backstory, because I think 36 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: it's really nice. And you went to Barley last year, 37 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: and I remember we talked about it and that you 38 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: said never again. And we were having lunch with a 39 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: friend of mine, J. P. Wilson, and we were talking 40 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: about our fifteenth wedding anniversary and no, no, no, we're going 41 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: to go to Barley. And he looked at us like, 42 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: you guys out of your mind. Why didn't you go 43 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: to Fuqua. So we said, what the heck is fu Quah? No, no, No, 44 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: Brett lives in Vietnam. You must go see him. It's 45 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: just an island of ho Chi Min. Where as he says, HCMI, 46 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: So I said what. So Razia gets home and starts 47 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: looking fu Quah. Two thousand, random night, eight hundred, random night. 48 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: Hang on, we are going to Fuqua, Baba, go get 49 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: a book. So off I went to get the Lonely 50 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: Planet Guide. And this is the way we did it. 51 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: There was no travel agent involved or anything. Totally self planned. 52 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: JP said, go to Fuqua. It's Mauritius on steroids, where 53 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: when you go to Mauritius you've got to go for 54 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: seven days and it's full board, and it's half this 55 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: and half that. It's very complicated and convoluted. No, in Fuqua, 56 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: you can stay one day in one resort, then another 57 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: day and another resort. And the beauty is you've got 58 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: to check out by twelve noon and you can check 59 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: into the other resort at two pm, which is invariably 60 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: read they already at one thirty. So you just move 61 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: from resort to resort, and we did the entire island. 62 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: It's a long string bean and it's off the chart. 63 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: You need the Lonely Planet Guide. You use booking dot 64 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: Com the app. Then when you're on the app, make 65 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: sure where you're booking you look at the map to 66 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: see where this place is located. Read all the reviews, 67 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: not just the top five, the good ones and the 68 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: bad ones. And it took Razia six weeks of planning. 69 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: Every night you would spend time, I would look in 70 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: the book, So what about this place? What about that place? Okay, 71 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: let's see what it says, and so and so we went. 72 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: I mean, we arrived in ho chi Min. We had 73 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: one night there at a hotel called the Alagon Hotel. 74 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: It's in Zone one. If you go to ho chi Min, 75 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: you've got to stay either in Zone one or Zone three. 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: Don't stay anywhere else. There's everything there to give you 77 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: an understanding of the size of the country. It's one 78 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: hundred million people. There's seventy seven million motorbikes. 79 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: Okay, and one hundred million people and seventy seven million 80 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: motorbikes squeezed into a space that is I think a 81 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: quarter of the size of South Africa. That'll give you 82 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: an idream of the congestion that that that brings, I mean, 83 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: that's yeah. So it's literally I'm just trying to do 84 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: the Yeah, that's double our population in quarter of the space, 85 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: not counting the motorbikes. Okay, so that that is some 86 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: food for thought there, Martin. I mean, obviously the congestion 87 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: like that I'm assuming is going to be worse in 88 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: the urban areass crossing the. 89 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: Road, you take your life in your hands. You just 90 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: see these motorbikes descending towards you. You walk, You stick 91 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 2: your left hand out and you just keep walking. Don't 92 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: stop because otherwise you're dead meat. You know you're going 93 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: to get run over. But we never saw an accident. 94 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: We never saw anybody hooting, We never saw any any 95 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: people who were inebriated. It's a massive, massive coffee culture, 96 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: second biggest coffee export on the planet, biggest Nike manufacturer, 97 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: even bigger than like America. So you get the most wonderful. 98 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: They don't call it fakes, they call inspired by. Okay, 99 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: you can see the Louis Vetona store in Hochium and 100 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: City to give you a size, it's the size of 101 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: Constantia village. Woolworths probably bigger than that. Half a k 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: down the road is the market, which is absolutely unbelievable, 103 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: probably be the size of the Grand Parade, where you 104 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: can get everything and you realize you're not a sports 105 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: store until you've got a fake up on the wall, shirts, 106 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: T shirts, whatever you want. I mean, my suggestion is 107 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 2: go with an empty suitcase. Just go with the clothes 108 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: you're wearing. I wore jeans when I left, and I 109 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: wore jeans when I left Vietnam, and the rest of 110 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: the time I was in. 111 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: Short So that brings us to talking about the weather 112 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: and the climate, because I mean, I know it's a country. 113 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: Although it might look, I mean be comparatively small to 114 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: us used to the south space of South Africa, there's 115 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: a lot of variety, I know, from coastal level to 116 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: high in the mountains, from north to south, et cetera, 117 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: in terms of temperatures and seasonality. You were there though 118 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: over the dry season. 119 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: We were there December January we started. We looked at 120 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: the weather when we left Hanoi. It was sixteen degrees 121 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: celsius that it was freezing. And then you can go 122 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 2: further north up towards the Chinese border to a place 123 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: called Sapna and that's where even snow. In January and February. 124 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 2: We started right down in the very south ho chi Min, 125 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: which is time wise five hours ahead of South Africa. 126 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: So it's early evening now in ho chi Min. Temperature 127 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: always thirty two to thirty three degrees weather like this, 128 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: not the rainy season and no humidity, thank Heavens. And 129 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: summer it can get up to forty five degrees with 130 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: humidity of sixty to seventy percent. Maybe more air conditions work. 131 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: The Wi Fi works, the grab app works, but you've 132 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: got to be adventurous. It's not for everybody. If you 133 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 2: want to go and lie on the beach and just 134 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: not move, then go to an island, go to the Seychells, 135 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: go to Zanzibar, go to Mauritius. But if you want 136 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: to experience a different culture and remember where that country 137 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: has come from fifty years of war. 138 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wanted to ask if you had an 139 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to explore any of the war related sites Martin, 140 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: because I know it's possible to go into the tunnels. 141 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: The yep done at Kuchi Tunnels. The biggest tip I 142 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: can give anybody doing the Kuchi tunnels is make sure 143 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: you get the go app and then it's called twelve 144 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: Go one to Go Asia and look at the trips 145 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: that are on there, and do the speed boat trip 146 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: up the Siguan River to the Kuchi Tunnels. This is 147 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: what Brett, my friend who lives in Vietnam, said to me. Mark, 148 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: you have to do the speedboat. It's absolutely unbelievable. It's 149 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: about an hour and a half up the Siguan River. 150 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: You get there and then you go into the Kuchi 151 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: Tunnels and you see how they lived, what they did. 152 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: It's two hundred kilometers of tunnels. Our guide was a 153 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: young gentleman aged about twenty five. So I said to him, 154 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: don't you hate America for what they did? And he 155 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: looked at me. He says, both my parents were VC 156 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: viet Cong. They fought in these tunnels, which are two 157 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: hundred kilometers wrong. It was feeding into Saigone from the north. 158 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: They're still alive today. No, we don't hate America. We've 159 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: got to look forward. And I just looked at that 160 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: and I went, my heavens, you. 161 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: Know, Art, you're the second person I've heard remark on 162 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: that in the last two days. I happened to just 163 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: stumble upon a random travel show on TV last night, 164 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: and I can't even remember what channel it was on 165 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: or what it was called, but I heard somebody make 166 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: the same comment that they're for a country with the 167 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: painful history, and it's not just the American War, it's 168 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: the French colonial period before that, et cetera. That the 169 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: country is remarkably low on bitterness and regret, that it 170 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: is very much focused on where we are going from here. 171 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: There's a resilience, there's a work ethic that is absolutely unbelievable. 172 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 2: If you see. And I've got pictures up on Facebook 173 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: and I'm happy to share what they have built and 174 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,239 Speaker 2: what other countries have destroyed in that time. It's earth shattering. 175 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: We never ever felt vulnerable whatsoever. Weok we look differently, 176 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: we speak differently, we are taller than them. Never ever, 177 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: they just want to health, they just want to help tourists. 178 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: They understand we're where you can look at it. We're 179 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: either a mosquito or flea on the global map. They've 180 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: got people flying in by the bucketful from Canada. With 181 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: our spoke to the Canadians and what do you want 182 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: to be there for? In January, it's minus twenty. Yesterday 183 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: was minus thirty from from South Korea, from Hong Kong, 184 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: from Japan, from India, from New Zealand, from Australia, from Malaysia, 185 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: from Singapore, Singapore to Hanoi's only a three hour flight. 186 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: So people come in for the weekends in that business, 187 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: whole subcontinent that sits there bursting, and the rand goes far. 188 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: So you're going to do some actual examples here. I 189 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: just want to say, for anybody who's coming in, halfway 190 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: through this conversation, you obviously well hopefully will recognize the 191 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,119 Speaker 1: voice of Martin Myers, our colleague from the Business of Entertainment. 192 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: Martin's chatting to us about his incredible experience six weeks 193 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: in Vietnam over December and January, an entirely self planned, 194 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: self organized, self booked tour that he and his wife 195 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: did together and which took them all over the country, 196 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: from south to north, to the beach areas and more. 197 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the cost of things. So okay, 198 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: the local currency, the Vietnamese dong. I had a look 199 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: this morning. It's one rand is fifteen hundred dong at 200 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: today's exchange rate. That means nothing unless you put it 201 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: into some context. So what do you get for your dong? 202 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: Tell us what things cost? 203 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: Martin Well, I bought a let me, let me give 204 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: you a hotel in Rands, the silver Land Jolee Hotel. 205 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: If you know where the Cape Talk studios are opposite 206 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: is Gallows Hill, the Cape Town Traffic Office. That's where 207 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: the Saigon River was. This was a five star hotel 208 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: in District one. Bear in mind the date twenty ninth 209 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: to the first of January. We left on the first 210 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: of Jainy to go down to the. 211 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: Mecon New Year's Eve. She peak season. 212 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, bed, breakfast and free tea every day. It was 213 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: like the Mount Nelson eight thousand, five hundred rand for three. 214 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: Nights for two of you, yes, what you would pay 215 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: for one person for one night. Hotel. 216 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: We watched the fireworks, which was fifteen minutes from our 217 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: hotel room. The vander Hotel in Danang rights opposite the 218 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: Dragon which spits fire at nine o'clock at night. From 219 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: the tenth to the twelfth of January, there were five 220 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: star properties two thousand, four hundred and fifteen rand and 221 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: fifty six cents. The Han River cruise that night to 222 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: go and see the Spitting Dragon. Two hundred and twenty 223 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 2: seven rand for. 224 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: Both of you. 225 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: Yes, he's for both of us. Razia and myself. She 226 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: did all the bookings, she did all the work. The 227 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: Aligon Hotel when we arrived on the sixteenth, one thousand, 228 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: seven hundred rand for the night, bed and breakfast. The 229 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: Gold Coast was all in Fuqua, the island right in 230 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: the north where you need to go and stay there, 231 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: because then what you do the following morning You get 232 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: the taxi and you book them for the day and 233 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: you drive to the Starfish Beach and you swim with starfishes. 234 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: That was one thousand, six hundred and fifty two round 235 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: and eighty eight cents all for two people. 236 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean the round goes a long way, is what 237 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: you're saying, which is not to stay very oft and 238 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. And do you do you carry 239 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: local currency or do you need to have dollars on 240 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: you as well? 241 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: At the Oligon Hotel, Silverlanjoli Hotel, I had one hundred 242 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: US dollars the new notes, and I want you to 243 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: change and they said no, why did you go and 244 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: change some more? Just down the road walk take your 245 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: five hundred dollars and you walk in, and you walk 246 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: into a currency exchange and they just give you notes. 247 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: It's all in Vietnamese dong or all notes. There's no coins, 248 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: and they just dished them up. There's no paperwork, there's 249 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: no nonsense, there's no bureaucracy. And they give you a 250 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: pile of cash. You put it in your pockets and 251 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: you walk out and you don't getting robbed on the bothers. 252 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: You Martin Keith ask you about communication? So I mean, okay, 253 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: let's talk. Firstly, this is a country that has been 254 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: occupied and colonized by a variety of countries over its history, 255 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: including China, France. 256 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: The Portuguese brought Christianity there. Then it was the French. 257 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: They call the French the colonialists and the Americans the imperialists. Okay, 258 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 2: that's the way. Look at it. 259 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: French and English at all on the streets or is 260 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: it many Vietnamese? 261 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: The older people it's all Vietnamese, The young kids twenty five, 262 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 2: the tour guides and working around they will speak a 263 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: little bit of English. So you load Google Translate on 264 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: your phone. Can you communicate through your phone? You buy 265 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: the appaty airport across US. I think it cost Razia 266 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: fifteen US dollars when we arrived, and this lasted us 267 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: for a month. At all the hotels, all the restaurants, 268 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: they've got Wi Fi. I never ever switched over to 269 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: the local sim. I used to use the Wi Fi 270 00:13:54,120 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 2: wherever we walked in. It's incredibly safe, it's incredibly i opening. 271 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: If you asked me, how would you describe the country, 272 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: it was one of wonder and awe. Every corner we 273 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: walked around, I'm like, oh my heavens, what is this? 274 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: Where's this? I mean on the one Sunday at the 275 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: hotel we were staying at, No, you can hire a motorbike. 276 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: How much is that now? One hundred and fifty rand? 277 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: I said, for how long? No, the whole day? Sure 278 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: wired it for the whole day. Rassie and I are 279 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: learning how to ride motorbikes and drive around. You've got 280 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: to go to certain places. You've got to go to Huian, 281 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: You've got to go to a place called the Barnar Hills. 282 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: That's the famous picture with those hands that you you're 283 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: at the beach. 284 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: With it with your hands resting on the Han statue, here. 285 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: Let's just put it this way. I was also told 286 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: by JPN and his mom Sharon Enjoy Barner Hills. That's 287 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: all we were told. You get to the top, it's 288 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: like euro Disney what they have built and created on 289 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: top of this, all this mountain. And bear in mind 290 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: they're sort of forty four cable cars an hour going up. 291 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: So it's mass tourism on a mass scale. But this 292 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: beauty within the madness, and if you can deal with it, 293 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: that's fine. At the one bus stop leaving from Halong 294 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: Bay to Hanoi, all the busses seemed to stop there. 295 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: I counted twenty buses, not ten seaters, forty eight seaters, 296 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: and people were given dog tags with the bus registration, 297 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: so you knew which one to get on because they're 298 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: all black. 299 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: It looked the same. 300 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: They all look the same. So that's what you've got 301 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: to deal with. But there is an inordinate amount of 302 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: beauty and wonder in that country. I urge every South 303 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: African before you leave this planet, go don't look at 304 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: when you're there and you come back, then look at 305 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: the Vietnam the history of the war. Let me give 306 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: you an idea. Full metal jacket the movie. We went 307 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: to Hoi. It's the ancient citadel going back to fifteen hundred. 308 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: That Battle of Horoi was part of the tet offensive 309 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: in the war. They talk about it. And we've got 310 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: home that evening and there was a documentary on Apple TV, 311 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: and I said to Razia, let's just watch it. 312 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: Oh. 313 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: Episode two was on the city of Hoy. We've just 314 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: been there, to the citadel, and you watch this and 315 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: you look, my heavens, they've rebuilt this thing completely, and 316 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: there's this perfume river that's there, and wonderful French restaurants 317 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: and everything else, and you look, my heavens, and you 318 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: sort of look at yourself and go and no animosity, 319 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: just looking forward. 320 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: Martin. We mentioned it at the start, but I want 321 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: us to dive a little bit deeper into the issue 322 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: of the food, because the one thing I hear consistently 323 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: from anybody who's been to Vietnam is they come back 324 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: and say, it was the most delicious trip we ever took. 325 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: The food was amazing, and you mentioned it as well 326 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: in our pre conversation. You've already touched on the coffee culture, 327 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: but this is not sort of your typical Western cup 328 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: of coffee or latte. Tell us a little bit more 329 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: about some of the unusual coffees that you tasted, and 330 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: then we'll talk about the actual food. 331 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: Everything comes hot or it comes cold, So you get 332 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: egg coft that's made with egg. You get salt coffee 333 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: that has salt in it, You get coconut coffee, you 334 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: get iced coffee with condensed milk, and you get yogurt 335 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: coffee and they add condensed milk to all the coffees. 336 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: Then you also get weasel coffee, the animal, the weasel. 337 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: They make coffee using the weasel. It's very very cruel, 338 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: so people are trying to stop that, but you still 339 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 2: steer it. In the shops, you can buy weasel coffee. 340 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: It's sort of more expensive than any of the other coffees. 341 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: The food is unbelievable. There's ban me, which is a 342 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: French buguette with fillings. Then there's the fresh spring rolls 343 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: that you get Vietnamese spring rolls, which is wrapped with 344 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: peanut sauce and everything. And then the big one is 345 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: Fa Pho. It's a beef broth with noodles and spices 346 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 2: and everything else that you eat with your chopsticks. And 347 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: that at all the hotels. It's quite funny they say 348 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: Western food. And then you have your steamed rice and 349 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: shrimp and whatever else you want. And the Vietnam eat everything. 350 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: If there's a shrimp there, they eat the whole thing, 351 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: head and everything, whereas we will only eat the tail. 352 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: And that. 353 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 2: I would say, avoid street food. 354 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: Oh it's it's you are. 355 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: You might get sick. I got sick for two days. 356 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: But you take your tablets and if you go, you 357 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: can also when you're doing your research, consider a homestay 358 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: where you stay at someone's house, at a home near 359 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: the area where you want to go. But again use 360 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: booking dot com, use that map there to see where 361 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: you want to go. And then the Grab app is essential. 362 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: It works really really well, so much so that when 363 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: you arrive in ho Chiman and you want to go 364 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 2: and get your cab, there's a grab man standing there 365 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 2: who will explain. And then you see your car arrive 366 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: and you get in and off you go. It's better 367 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: than Uber. It was an app that was developed in Malaysia 368 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: and it is absolutely essential. Grab app, Google Translate, change 369 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: your sim and off you go and carry cash. 370 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: And you said anim was fine, okay, okay, So just 371 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: going back to the food, somebody's just asked her saying 372 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: that those spring rolls are to die for the email Martin. 373 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: When you say fresh spring rolls, it's not the deep fried, 374 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: crunchy one that you used to getting in a Chinese restaurant. 375 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: It's a fresh rice paper wrapping around this. I mean, 376 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: it's one of the most beautiful things I've ever tasted. 377 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: And the first time I ever tasted it was at 378 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: Saigon Restaurant in Cliff Road or wherever it is in 379 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: Gardens and you know, I'd ordered spring rolls and his 380 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: plate arrived. I was like, this is what I was expecting. 381 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: One of the most delicious things I've ever eaten in 382 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: my life. So did you just binge on those days 383 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: and down? 384 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: And then there was beef this, and you try that 385 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: and then you try this. I mean we saw one 386 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: Kentucky Fried Chicken and one McDonald's. They both had lanterns 387 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 2: outside them in a way on so we went in 388 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: for a laugh, just to go and order some chicken. 389 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, Kentucky had Korean chicken. No no, no, let's 390 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: try the Korean chicken. Yeah, you know so, but no 391 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: fast food, very little mango lassies and mango smoothies. I 392 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: used to have those morning, noon and night with ice 393 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 2: and they make them and fresh fruit. The produce is really, 394 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: really amazing. I cannot emphasize it more that for rand 395 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: and for value. But you've got to be prepared to 396 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: experience things. I mean, when we were frying flying from 397 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: de Nang, which is in the delta to I'm not 398 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: from d Nang, sorry, from from the Mekong delta up 399 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: to d Nang, the plane was delayed. Yeah, so it 400 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: was a three hour bus trip back to ho Chi 401 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 2: Min and then from ho Chi Min the flight to 402 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 2: d Nang and we got to the place where we 403 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: were staying at a three in the morning. But you're 404 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: on holidays, so there's no crisis. Everybody's in the same boat. 405 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: Part of the experience and experience have you really traveled 406 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: if you've not had the experience of having a flight 407 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: delay or missing the bus in Paris as I did, 408 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: and almost missing your flight. We've got a voice note 409 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: in from one of one of our listeners who's also 410 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: I think there. Let's take a quick listen to what 411 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: he has to say. 412 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 3: I'm absolutely loving this discussion about Vietnam. I was fortunate 413 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: enough last year my partner and I have to go 414 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: to Vietnam. She absolutely loved the shopping and the food, 415 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: and I have to concur the food was just special. 416 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: It is absolutely amazing food. Lots of French inspired things 417 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 3: like the ban Me. It's basically a mini consonant, but 418 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: with their their version of things in it. The food 419 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 3: is off the charts were definitely going back in. 420 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: Evin, thanks for that. Yeah, I mean, yay yay. It's 421 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: gone straight to the top of my bucket list. Listening 422 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: to all of this, Keith asking a very important question. 423 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: We haven't spoken about getting there, and Keith wants to 424 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: know do you need a visa? As a South African, Absolutely. 425 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: Need a visa and print it out before you go. 426 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: When you get there, you'll understand if you're flying into 427 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: either Ho Chi Minstroke Saigon or to hand Nooi, it 428 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 2: will make Cape Tan International Airport look like Uppington. It's 429 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: really there will be police therein and slim and take 430 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: no sh one t that. I can tell you. I'm lucky. 431 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: I've got a metal pin in my leg, so I 432 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: pointed and I said, now can I go where the 433 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 2: wheelchairs were and they said, yes, you go. Otherwise you 434 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: can do on one of the apps. You can do 435 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: what's called fast track, which pay you pay ten or 436 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: twelve US dollars and then someone will pick you up, 437 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: collect you and guide you through this maze of people. 438 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: And I'm talking thousands of people Vietnam in my opinion 439 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: and JP's opinion. And Brett, this friend of ours who 440 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 2: went for six months and now lived there for ten years, 441 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: said it's on the cusp of the rest of the 442 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: world suddenly finding out about this country and everybody descending 443 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 2: on it on mass. So go you can fly either 444 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: via the sandpit, but not today. So now you would 445 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: fly via Singapore, and then you should go and maybe 446 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: spend two or three days in Singapore, and then you 447 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: can fly in to ho Chi min or you can 448 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: fly into Danang and then go down to Hoyan, or 449 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 2: you can fly into Hanoi. That would be the way 450 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: round to avoid the conflict. 451 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: In the Middle East. But you guys at the time, 452 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: for you emirates, Okay, so those two options exist. Thank 453 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: you for that. Bridget saying the best is in Hanoi's 454 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: city to get up really early to walk around Juan 455 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: Kim Lake. Locals of all ages are doing exercise, dancing, badminton, walking, laugh, therapy. 456 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: It's like a different world, is Bridget's description. Thank you 457 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: for that adding to the list of things to experience, Martin. 458 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I hope we haven't just set the hordes 459 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: loose on Vietnam with this conversation, because I'm also going 460 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: to get there before it becomes the next overcrowded party. 461 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: But it's been wonderful listening to you talk about the 462 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: experience so authentically and with such breadth of experience because 463 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: you have the privilege of being there for so long. 464 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: Thank you very very much for joining us today, and 465 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: I hope we don't lose you to now permanently. 466 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: Just remember when you go there, you're from numb Fee. 467 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: Numb fee Is that how you say South Africa? 468 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: South Africa fee? In other words, you need to learn 469 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: is sinchao, which. 470 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: Is hello, sinchaw? How is till goodbye? 471 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: Zim? Low is excuse me? And come on see um 472 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: n is Thank you? 473 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: Come on, thank you, so come on, come on, Martin, 474 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: come on, Martin meers. Thank you so much for joining 475 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: us this afternoon. Keep your messages coming I'm happy to 476 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: share a few more of them after the news. 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