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Speaker 1: All right, So if you have never seen used to

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Speaker 1: be Madame Zinghara, it's now the Royal Countess Singhara. If

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Speaker 1: yourself some Tiggins because it is quite remarkable and a

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Speaker 1: hot new aerial act has joined the show, which is

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Speaker 1: going to be It's well, it's here at Century City

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Speaker 1: in Johannesburg. And I'm delighted to be joined this morning

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Speaker 1: by Johnny Grundy from Bradford in England and Manuel I

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Speaker 1: Didna from Sicily, who were both professional dancers before working

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Speaker 1: in the circus. They also happened to be married, and

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Speaker 1: their combined career highlights include the International Circus China, the

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Speaker 1: Rome Opera Theater. I'm imagining that's you, Manuel, the Bradford

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Speaker 1: community all no international cruise liners, which I gather is

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: How long ago? How long you've been married?

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Speaker 2: We've been married for nearly four years.

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Speaker 1: Where did you get married in New York? Of course

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Speaker 1: you did was it glorious?

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Speaker 2: It was lovely?

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Speaker 3: Where where did am I? Being very nosy? Did you

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Speaker 3: get married in Brooklyn? How gorgeous is Brooklyn? Though?

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Speaker 1: Actually I love it too. Now I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: Past day on a Saturday. I'll save that for after

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Speaker 3: the show. Okay. And you met on a cruise liner

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the Caribbean? Thank God?

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Speaker 1: Could your story be anymore gorgeous and wonderful?

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Speaker 3: Okay? And then work at you dancers? Is background? Tell

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Speaker 2: I was a dancer for many, many years ago, and

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Speaker 2: I met a girl that was performing aerial silks, which

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Speaker 2: I was in love with it. I begged her to

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Speaker 3: God, that is wild and well for you.

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Speaker 4: My story is kind of the same. The only difference

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Speaker 1: The rest is history. Talk to me about the ely Silks.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you did?

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Speaker 2: That was the first thing that I did in the show.

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Speaker 2: We don't perform every.

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Speaker 1: But I first saw that gosh zip Zapp Circus were

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Speaker 2: We really hopefully have a bathtub underneath us to break your.

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Speaker 1: Spie Seriously, I mean that is our whole who's who's

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Speaker 3: And then I mean, how how do we how do

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Speaker 3: Like, sure, it's it's key, laughing, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It is beautiful, it's very sexy. It's breathtaking. You're kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the water is so danger to it. Recording each

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Speaker 3: Have you fallen in?

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Speaker 2: And we have a lot of trust in each other,

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Speaker 1: Right, okay, okay, talk me through then, and this is

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Zingara is essentially a circus dinner show for

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Speaker 2: As you arrived, there are characters of where you arrive

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Speaker 1: I couldn't stay for the part. Did you stay for

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Speaker 1: the party, VICKI? Vicky, stay for the party? I can't

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Speaker 3: And all of that nonsense. Oh, I'll have to go again.

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Speaker 3: It's more dinner. It's it's there's so much.

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Speaker 3: You were doing this? We were in sicily doing what's.

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Speaker 3: Stay together together.

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Speaker 1: How do you think your your act will complement each other?

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Speaker 1: Me too, Yeah, put on a frock Yeah, all of that.

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Speaker 2: I Leo, who put the whole thing together and they

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Speaker 3: What does that? Does?

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Speaker 1: The concept come first and then you talk about it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just remind us again. Then you were with your

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Speaker 2: We are unfortunately not joining them. So if you want

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Speaker 1: The right book now, Book now, book now, Tell your

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Speaker 1: friends book now. It's Zingara dot Kosa. The gates open

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Speaker 1: at six, wim, please get there early if you're going

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Speaker 1: And if you are a parent and you're going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 1: you know, international jet setters, you might find their way

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Speaker 4: I'm just Manuel Artino. There we go.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love the show. Thank you very very much. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming in. It is breathtakingly beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Please don't drop each other ever. Continue to love each

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Speaker 1: other and literally hold each other close.