1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Gavin Gray, that's where we're going, isn't it all right? 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: It's thirteen minutes past nine o'clock. Gavin's got the UK 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: report for us this morning. 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Morning, Gig, good morning. I'm tempted to say morning Sarah, 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: but you're correct me. 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: No, I just can't, Gavin it. It really gets my 7 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: back up, It really gets my backup. Isn't that funny? 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: All right? 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: Top story for US today, and it's a we've heard 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: about these protests before, but this latest is that more 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: than five hundred people were arrested during a demonstration against 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: the ban on Palestine Action that took part in central 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: London yesterday. 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: Yes, this has been described as fascical. So a group 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: called Palestine Action was proscribed or branded as being a 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: terrorist organization back in July of last year. Now, the 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: various opponents took us to corn and said, look, what 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: do you mean it's a terrorist organization? What proof do 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: you have to which the government said, oh, well we 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: can't tell you because it's all secret and it would 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: reveal our sources, etc. So the High Court got involved 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: and actually said that effectively there was the ban was unlawful. 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: They decided that back in February, but the government immediately 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: said there would be an appeal. So now do the 25 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: police arrest anyone who professes to be a supporter of 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: or a member of Palestine Action or not well, according 27 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: to the current law, then no they don't because at 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: the moment the ruling is it's unlawful that the ban 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: to make it a terrorist organization. So yesterday in London 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 2: there was a mass protest in support of Palestine Action 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: and police arrested more than five hundred people around Trafalgar 32 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: Square right in the heart of London, ages ranging from 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: eighteen to eighty seven, all pending the start of this 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: appeal process. Some are calling this situation absolutely fascal. Others 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: are saying the police have far more invaluable things to 36 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 2: do than arresting people for holding up a sign saying 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: I oppose genocide, I support Palestine Action, And yet they did. 38 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: They went in there and have arrested these That is 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: on top of some earlier, as we said, earlier arrests 40 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: and earlier protests. More than two two hundred people have 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: been arrested so far for allegedly expressing support for Palestine Action, 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: and the trial of hundreds of people accused of holding 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: up Blackguards have been put on hold while this legal 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: battle is decided whether it should or should not be 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: a banned group. So quite frankly, SJ, it is a mess. 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: It's a mess of the government's own making and the 47 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: police left it an absolutely untenable situation. 48 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: Sure all right, yeah, I remember you talking to us 49 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: about this group in the past. 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: Right. 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: The UK has has shelved a deal to hand over 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: the Chegos Islands, and this is largely well. It comes 53 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: as relations between the UK and the US are not 54 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: doing terribly well. 55 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: Yes, so, the Chegos Islands are British Indian Ocean territory. 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: That means they're British property. But it was only because 57 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 2: Britains took them over many many years ago and many Chagossians, 58 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: those who live on the Chegos Islands were evicted. Now, 59 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: the Chegos Islands are a long way between India and 60 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: the eastern coast of Africa, and I make the point 61 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: there a long way because Mauritius is claiming sovereignty and 62 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: the plan was to hand those islands over to Mauritius, 63 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: even though they had never been Mauritian before, and the 64 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: Mauritians had never claimed sovereignty until relatively recently this whole deal. 65 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: So the UK said, okay, we will give these Chagos 66 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: Islands back to Mauritius and we will basically pay them 67 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: something like two billion South African rand a year to 68 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: lease back one of the islands called Diego Garcia. Why well, 69 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: because that as a joint UK US military base on 70 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: that largest island of Chagos. And so consequently, even though 71 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: the UK has had them since the early eighteen hundreds, 72 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: the government said, right, we're going to give them to Mauritius, 73 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: even though Mauritius has never actually owned them, and we 74 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: are going to pay them this amount of money. Well, 75 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: they needed the permission of the Americans to do this 76 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: because of that joint military base. And guess what, Well, 77 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: since the falling out of friendships between our Prime Minister 78 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: Sekir Starmer and the US President Donald Trump, the Americans, 79 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: having initially said yeah, this is a good deal, go ahead, 80 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: have completely changed their mind and said this is a 81 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: sign of a weak leader, an act of total weakness. 82 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: Donald Trump described it in other words, the Americans now 83 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 2: say you mustn't do this, It's ridiculous. What are you doing, 84 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: which so many in the UK had been saying to 85 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: this government anyway, why are we prepared to pay it 86 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: back at vast sums to pay somebody to rent something 87 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: out that we already own. So that's why it's been 88 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: a bizarre set of circumstances. I mean, if you're going 89 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: to give it back to anyone, surely you should give 90 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: it back to the Chegossian people. And that's one of 91 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: the arguments. So anyway, yep, it's complete u turn. Now 92 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: the government looks like it's shelved its plans. It does 93 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: not look like it's likely to come back for the 94 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: next few years either. Some in the government to saying no, 95 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: we must follow the rule of law, and the rule 96 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: of law is this and that and the other, and 97 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: we will not completely shelve it. But it looks like 98 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: this particular deal is to be shelved and to say 99 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: it's been welcome by opposition parties would be the understatement 100 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: of the year. 101 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: Next up, Assudanese national who is alleged to have captained 102 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: a boat from France to the UK has appeared in 103 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: court after four migrants drowned while trying to board this 104 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: water taxi off the coast of Calais. 105 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: The Yes, more tragedy in the English Channel, and more 106 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: tragedy caused by the desperation of people to get to 107 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: Europe and the UK, but that desperation being absolutely exploited 108 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: by these ruthless people smugglers, and allegedly al Nourmuhammad Ali, 109 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: a Sudanese national age twenty seven years old, is one 110 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: of those. He's accused of basically piloting the boat which 111 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: left French waters a water taxi as you might call it, 112 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: to get to the UK. Now, what these people smugglers 113 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: are now starting to do is to actually effectively launch 114 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: the boat without any migrants on board and then simply 115 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 2: cruise along the very edge of the coastline picking up 116 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: those people smugglers as picking up the people to get 117 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: to the UK who must wade into the water to 118 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: get there. Now, by wading into the water, it means 119 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: the French authorities aren't doing anything about it. They say, well, 120 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: it's not our property, they're not doing it from France, 121 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: and of course the UK is saying, well they are 122 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: doing it from France because it's your waters and the 123 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: people are leaving your coasts. But anyway, the people smugglers 124 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: know about this standoff, know the French reluctance to get involved, 125 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: and are therefore using this as the latest way to 126 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: pick up their cargo, their human cargo for want of 127 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: a better description. And in this particular incidence it appears 128 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: that as people were trying to get on, four were 129 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: swept away by the occurrence and later drowned. Now thirty 130 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: eight people were returned to the French shore, but a 131 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: further seventy four sj sailed to the UK successfully, and 132 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: again one wonders, if you're picking up thirty eight, why 133 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: are the French not stopping the remaining seventy four Anyway, 134 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: Such are the questions being asked here. But at the 135 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: heart of this human tragedy, and the twenty seven year olds, 136 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: speaking through an interpreter, indicated a not guilty plea at 137 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: a special appearance at Canterbury crom Court in the southeast 138 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: of England yesterday. Sure all right. 139 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: The Strait of Hormos continues to be in the news 140 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: and experts are warning that Europe could see jet fuel 141 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: shortages if it doesn't open reopen in the next three weeks. 142 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and with the peace talks between Iran and the 143 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: US looking like they have failed broken up without any agreement. 144 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: This is deeply concerning because the Gulf is a major 145 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: source of aviation fuel, accounting for some fifty percent five 146 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: zero percent of Europe's imports. And with our aviation fuel, 147 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: we ain't flying anywhere. And so the Airport's Council International, 148 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: that is, the European airport's trade body, is saying there 149 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: are growing concerns about the availability of jet fuel and 150 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: with the summer tourism season ahead, believing smaller airports are 151 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: particularly vulnerable to a shortage of jet fuel, and several 152 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: airlines worldwide have already cut flights and hiked passenger charges 153 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: due to concerns about fuel shortages. Last week, the European 154 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: benchmark for jet fuel price hit an all time high 155 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: of one three hundred and eighty seven pounds per ton, 156 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: compared with eight hundred and thirty one before, so it's 157 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: gone up eight hundred and thirty one dollars. So it's 158 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: gone up more than double just since the war began. 159 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: And there is this concern that the European airports simply 160 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: won't be able to get the amount of jet fuel 161 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: they were quis to basically supply all those pains taking off. 162 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: And then the Irish government has confirmed that a fuel 163 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: support package is being finalized, and that comes after what 164 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: they've described as constructive engagement with the members of the 165 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: haulage and farming communities. 166 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: Yes, so, Estra, I don't know how the price of 167 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: unleaded petrol is doing there. It's rocketing everywhere I assume 168 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: it is with you. Yeah, we've now gone up above 169 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: the one pound fifty, which is some thirty South African rand. Sorry, 170 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: what am I talking about? Not thirty it is some 171 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: three hundred South African rand per liter of unleaded and 172 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: diesel is up somewhere near the four hundred South African rand. 173 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 2: It's quite extraordinary now in Ireland, such is the anger 174 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: of those that use fuel for their heat and farmers 175 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: who use a lot of diesel, along with some haulage 176 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: companies who also use a lot of diesel, that they 177 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: have now blockaded several roads around the Republic of Ireland 178 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: and also blockaded some petrol stations and an oil refinery 179 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: as well, and they've blockaded them with tractors and big lorries, 180 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: saying this government needs to help us because otherwise our 181 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: industry is dead. We will not be able to afford 182 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 2: the diesel to farm We will not be able to 183 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: afford the diesel for deliveries. Now the government says, well, 184 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: we are helping by reducing the price, but they've really 185 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: just taken a little bit off and these organizations say 186 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: that's not enough. Well, it's been pretty chaotic in Ireland, 187 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: as you can imagine. So not only is fuel expensive, 188 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: but imagine if you're really struggling to get it, which 189 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 2: is what's happening in Ireland, with reports of hundreds hundreds 190 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: of cars queuing outside petrol stations to get petrol. Indeed, 191 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: the situation was so bad government called in the army 192 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: to remove vegles blocking roads, with saying these are illegal 193 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: blockades and they're damaging Island's economy and society. Anyway, it 194 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: looks like the pair are getting together and the Irish 195 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: government now confirming that there will be a further fuel 196 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: support baggage is being finalized and they're urging the farmers. 197 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: The hawley is to unblock the blockades so that Ireland's 198 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: economy can get back up and running. 199 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: All right, So now a thief who had no idea 200 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: that a handbag that he stole outside a pub in 201 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: central London, contained an emerald encrusted Faberge egg and a watch. 202 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: Has been jailed for more than two years and the 203 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: value of those two things was around two point two 204 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: million pounds. My question here is who is carrying around 205 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: an emerald encrusted Faberge egg in their handbag? That is 206 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: where my life interest lies. Gavin honestly, Yes, yes, let 207 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: me get to that. Let me tell you just briefly 208 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: about the court case. So a twenty nine year old 209 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: called Hakeembudi noun has been sentence. He pleaded guilty to 210 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: three charges are fraught by false representation and one counter theft. 211 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: At earlier hearing, he was basically going around a pub 212 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: in the heart of London looking for people's handbags and 213 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: bags down by their feet, and he stole the bag 214 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: between the legs of a woman outside the dog and 215 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: duck in Soho back in November twenty twenty four. He 216 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: basically then took the handbag unopened and was selling the 217 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: bags that he was stealing unopened to a drug dealer 218 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: in order to score cocaine. And he basically had been 219 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: filmed on CCTV, which is how come he was caught. Incidentally, 220 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: he has quite a long. 221 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: History of this and yet seems to be still yeah 222 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: up to his usual tricks with it, and still not 223 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: removed from the country anyway. The reason that the Faberge egg, 224 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: of course so rare, a world renowned luxury jeweler Faberget 225 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 2: founded in Russia in eighteen forty two, famous for its 226 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: eggs made of gems and precious metals, makes it why 227 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: it was worth so much. But again, the hapless twenty 228 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: nine year old never realized that, and indeed the egg 229 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: and the watch, worth some fifty million South African rand 230 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: were never recovered. Now onto your question of what she 231 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: was doing with a handbag, Well, a very good question, 232 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: because she was employed by a company that effectively had 233 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: the egg on display and was taking it back to 234 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: a safe place when she stopped off for a drink 235 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: with friends in an ordinary looking handbag. It's eighteen carrot 236 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: yellow gold. It took more than a hundred hours to create, 237 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: contains one hundred and four diamonds and contains an uncut 238 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: emerald from Zambia. Now I have to tell you, if 239 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: I had that about my person, I would not be 240 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: stopping off at the anywhere no, anyway she did apparently 241 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: when she realized it had gone you can imagine the 242 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: panic that's set in most of all, of course, thinking 243 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: what will my employer say about this? And here's the 244 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: thing SJ. So they were worth fifty million. The insurers 245 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: have paid out two million South African round. 246 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, oh gosh. 247 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: It makes your heart go cold. Literally, imagine if you 248 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: were that person. 249 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, but oh dear, why why why why you silly? 250 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: Oh dear, No, that is that makes me feel a 251 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: bit ill. Actually, that reminds me it's not the same. 252 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: It sort of is the same. I remember remember when 253 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: the National Lottery in the UK first happened. I want 254 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: to say about nineteen ninety six. I feel like I 255 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: was just about to leave school or something about fifteen sixteen, 256 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: and it was a big sort of whoharn. Syndicates became 257 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: a big thing, didn't they. You'd get lots of work, 258 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: you know, work or a football club or whatever it 259 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: would be, and they'd all put in their pound and 260 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: then the idea was that you'd split the winnings. And 261 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: I remember hearing this story which is probably on like 262 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: mc crawley's Mercury Radio whatever, whatever frequency that was on. 263 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: I remember the newsreader telling the story of how this 264 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: person had gone to do work experience at some company 265 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: where there was a syndicate and the one job that 266 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: they'd asked him to do was to go and yeah, 267 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: it was on a Friday. The last thing he needed 268 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: to do was go and buy our lottery tickets and 269 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: he didn't and they won. 270 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: Oh and it would. 271 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: Now I know, can you imagine? And don't come back 272 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: on Monday, son, And it was it was like it 273 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: was a rollover or something, and it would have been 274 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: enough for them to evore given up work for life. 275 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: Oh oh my goodness. Well the first one was nineteen 276 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: ninety four in November, and the first jackpod was some 277 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: eight twelve million at No. One hundred and twenty million 278 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 2: South African round. 279 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, gosh was it ninety four and nineteen ninety four? Okay, 280 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: so I was fourteen, all right, So it'd been going 281 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: a couple of years, because I definitely remember being at sixteen, 282 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: But I remember thinking, that is the kind of thing. 283 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: How do you ever recover from that? And also how 284 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: do you, I mean presume how do you inform people 285 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: that that's what that's what I'll tell you what the 286 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: other thing being this was back in the day before 287 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: we were regularly using internet mobile. So that's the kind 288 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: of thing where you have to make a phone call, 289 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: you have to speak to another human being or see 290 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: them in person in order to deliver that absolute horror 291 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: of information of what you've done out out. Indeed, by now, God, 292 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: that's excruciating, isn't it? All right? Faberg Egg, We've done 293 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: that right now? Yes, I heard about this latest sort 294 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: of royal debarcle in our news yesterday. Charity which has 295 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: been co founded by the Duke of Sussex, Prince Harry, 296 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: if that's how you're choosing to refer to in these days, 297 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: is suing him for defamation. 298 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: Yes, really, I mean another sad chapter in a charity 299 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: called Center Ballei, which was really designed to help people 300 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: in Southern Africa, particularly those with family members or suffering 301 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: from HIV AIDS themselves, And it was set up by 302 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: Prince Harry along with others in Africa as a way 303 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 2: of trying to help that back in two thousand and 304 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: six in honor of his mother, and it was helping 305 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: young people in Botswana and Lesoto, particularly those with HIV 306 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: and aids, and the charity's done really pretty well over 307 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: the years. However, a new chair took over, Sophie chan Daalca, 308 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 2: and although Prince Harry and the fellow founder of Prince 309 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 2: Siso have both left the charity in March, saying that 310 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 2: basically that they didn't trust her leadership and that there 311 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: were things going on there that they didn't agree with. 312 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: They left. She on behalf as it were, of Center 313 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: balle or Center Barrier is now suing Prince Harry. They 314 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: say that there was an adverse media campaign because of 315 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: their departure, and there was also a reputational harm to 316 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: the charity and its leadership, and so they are basically 317 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 2: suing Prince Harry and also another former trustee of the charity, 318 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: Mark Dyer, and they both categorically reject these offensive and 319 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: damaging claims. Now, this acrimonious dispute was all over how 320 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: the charity he was being managed, and that's why this 321 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: has all come to a head now. And although as 322 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: I said, Prince Harry and the fellow founder of Prince 323 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: Sissa both left, this is a particularly unpleasant chapter in 324 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: this and the idea now that Harry has set this 325 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: up in honor of his mother and has raised a 326 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: lot of money for it. Is obviously deeply worrying. The 327 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: charities finances have been under scrutiny here by the Charity 328 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 2: Commission in the UK, which is where it's registered. And 329 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: so I think we're going to be reading a lot 330 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: more about this one. But Sophie Chandalka believing that she's 331 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: been very very poorly treated by Harry and others. 332 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I heard this story yesterday and he's now sort 333 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: of hit back, hasn't He's saying that they're using charitable 334 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: funds to essentially for spurious reasons, taking him to court. Yeah, 335 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: this is not going to be This is not going 336 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: to be pretty. I suspect all right, and Hungary is 337 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: going to the polls today. Be honest with you, I 338 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: know very little about Hungarian politics, Kevin No. 339 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: And do you know what it is a bit of 340 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: a thing to get your head around. But basically there 341 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: has been a prime minister there, Victor Orban for sixteen years. 342 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: He is a friend of Vladimir Putin, which really annoys 343 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: others within the European Union. He is against giving Ukraine 344 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 2: any aid that really annoys other members of the European Union. 345 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: And he's also a good friend of Donald Trump. And 346 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: on the campaigning in the last week, when opinion polls 347 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: were suggesting he's going to lose heavily, he called on 348 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: friends and guess who flew in to Hungary to support him, 349 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: none other than J. D. Vance, the Vice President, and 350 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: he said, you know, under Auban, vote for him because 351 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: under Auban, America will invest heavily in Hungary and you 352 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: will have a great economy. Well, Hungarians, according to opinion polls, 353 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: do not think that's the case. They are voting today 354 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: and there is a rather charismatic younger party leader, Peta Maga, 355 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: who formed a grassroots party, and he's saying, look, we've 356 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: got to kick this guy out. Orban is dangerously saying. 357 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 2: Orban is basically, you know, splitting us from Europe and 358 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 2: liking turning us towards Russia. And this cannot go on 359 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: now the European Union. I'm not saying anything, but boy, 360 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: will they be the pleased to see the back of 361 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: Victor Orban if that's what happens. 362 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: Gosh, all right. And then a gigantic Seychelles tortoise, which 363 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: is believed to be the world's oldest living land animal 364 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: is alive and well apparently there was some sort of 365 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: fake death story doing the rounds. 366 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: Is that right? That's right? So his name is Jonathan. 367 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: Jonathan is one hundred and ninety three years ago. Can't 368 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: be according to what let's believe, as you said, oldest 369 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: living land animal is on the set shoes. And during 370 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 2: the week there was a posting on x by an 371 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: account called at Joe Hollins Vet. Now Joe Hollins is 372 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: the vet on the island who looks after lots of animals, 373 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: but certainly Jonathan amongst them. And this announcement said that 374 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 2: he was heartbroken to announce his beloved creature has passed 375 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: away today and that he had been his vet for 376 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: many years and said rest easy, old friend. You'll be 377 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: missed more than words can say. And there was also 378 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: some attempt to solicit donations. Well, guess what, Joe Hollins 379 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 2: is a real vet, but he doesn't have an account 380 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: on X. It wasn't him. The animal had not died, 381 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 2: and the account at which this posting came from soliciting 382 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: donations has now changed its username. Anyway, he said he 383 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: rushed over to check Jonathan was all right, and Jonathan 384 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 2: the tortoise, he said, is alive, and well, I've just 385 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: checked on him. It's not even an April four. It's 386 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: a pure hoax. Do not send any money to this 387 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: crypto hoaxer anyway. Do you know Jonathan has seen in 388 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: eight British Monarchs mad He saw the end of the 389 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution, two World Wars, the abolition of slavery, scientific 390 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: advances like space travel, motor vehicles, planes, and cures for 391 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: deadly illnesses. He is quite extraordinary. And I know you think, no, 392 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: he can't be undred in ninety three is off. Let's 393 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: not forget that tortoises do live a long time and 394 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: they move rather slowly to conserve their lovely energy. 395 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: I my mind is blown by that. My mind is 396 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: blown by that. That means that he is older than 397 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: both of my late grandparents. And my grandfather was born 398 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: nineteen eleven, and he had like almost two decades on 399 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: him by the time my grandpa was born. I can't 400 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: quite get my brain around that. What was he doing 401 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: with him? Was he was he doing with his life? Gavin? 402 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Whatever is, whatever it 403 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: need sg we ought to be doing this. 404 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: I know right, Yeah, you're absolutely right. No peptides for him. 405 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: He doesn't need them. He's all sort of That is bizarre, 406 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: isn't it. That is absolutely bizarre. I'm going to need 407 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: to go and do a little bit more research about 408 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: Jonathan because that is fascinating to me. G G appreciate 409 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: your time, Thanks very much. Indeed, we'll catch you next week.