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Speaker 1: Well, in an important weekend for the Democratic Alliance, they

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Speaker 1: will choose new leadership at the top level, including a

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Speaker 1: new leader of the party. Two candidates are contesting that

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Speaker 1: particular office, and whenever parties are involved in leadership battles,

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Speaker 1: there is a degree of focus. I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say on the party itself and as acceptance speeches

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Speaker 1: are made, and certainly whoever emerges as leader of the DA,

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Speaker 1: their first words as political party leaders succeeding John sten

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Speaker 1: Hazen will be minutely scrutinized, to think, I think it's

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Speaker 1: fair to say not just what they talk about, but

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Speaker 1: how they frame the talking about that particular topic. So

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Speaker 1: what can we expect Luconna and Guney as a political

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Speaker 1: analyst who covers politics in general and has kept a

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Speaker 1: close eye on opposition politics in particular. Misdom Gurney, welcome

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Speaker 1: and thanks very much for giving us your time. What

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Speaker 1: is the opportunity here for the DA. They're getting very

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Speaker 1: much a moment in the spotlight where they cannot only

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Speaker 1: choose a leader, but make a whole lot of serious

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Speaker 1: and potentially important points in an election year. What's the

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Speaker 1: opportunity for them and where does the risk Lie, good

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Speaker 1: afternoon to you. Okay, I think we just lost Lucana

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Speaker 1: and Gooney. I hope you heard the question. If not,

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Speaker 1: I will put it to him again. In the meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: let me just tell you something about what we're going

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Speaker 1: to be doing a little bit later. Randall's one song

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Speaker 1: with Randall Abrams. If you're a Fleetwood macfan, you are

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Speaker 1: in for a treat. Lucorum Gooney back with us now, Locona.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard my question, but saying

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Speaker 1: there's both opportunity and potential pitfalls for the DA as

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Speaker 1: the spotlight is on them, how do you evaluate those two.

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Speaker 2: Govern and John and go to your listeners. I mean

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Speaker 2: no doubt that there is massive opportunity for the DA

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Speaker 2: in this moment, given that this Congress is what I

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Speaker 2: call a generational breakthrough, so effectively, it's a congress where

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Speaker 2: you will not have the problem or the issue of

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Speaker 2: the old God. You've got a new generation of leadership

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Speaker 2: that has been given an opportunity. And particularly if, for example,

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Speaker 2: somebody like Esha sar Open wins as as as a

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Speaker 2: federal Council chair, and you get somebody like Marc Burke's

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Speaker 2: winning as a federal you know, finance head. You you

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Speaker 2: really have a different looking DA in terms of youthfulness,

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Speaker 2: in terms of generational field. But of course the key

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Speaker 2: issue is whether or not ideologically the new you know,

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Speaker 2: youthful blood will be different in terms of managing to

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Speaker 2: extend it up heel to multiple constituencies that currently do

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Speaker 2: not resonate with the DA politics.

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Speaker 1: So the way in which, for example, the DA's view

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Speaker 1: of transformation of race readdress will probably be focused a

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Speaker 1: lot on. But but what what are the other important

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Speaker 1: things that people will be looking for signals from them

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Speaker 1: in regard to policy matters.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, I think John, you know, the race

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Speaker 2: issue will be important, and sometimes it is misunderstood in

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Speaker 2: terms of the work that I've done from a research

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Speaker 2: point of view, partly why the DA is so conservative

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Speaker 2: and so anti whether it's Bee and the kind of

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Speaker 2: policies and equity policies. In fact, it is a signally

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Speaker 2: to one of the constituencies that actually keep the DA

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Speaker 2: in power in the city of Cape Town and in

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Speaker 2: Western Cape which is Mitchell's plain, the colored vote as

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Speaker 2: it is called, and that colored vote, that colored vote

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Speaker 2: that you know, the DA relies on to remain in

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Speaker 2: power is actually very much anti Bee, anti employment equited

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Speaker 2: fields that those policies have not served that community and

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Speaker 2: have served majority African people. So I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 2: whilst we talk about this posture of the date transmission laws,

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Speaker 2: we also need to understand what it probably is trying

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Speaker 2: to solve for Besides what is popularly the sentiment in

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Speaker 2: the media. Of course, John, there are other policy issues

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Speaker 2: that need to come to the fore. One the posture

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Speaker 2: of the DA in the GNU. Some people have felt

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Speaker 2: and I mean you saw and doctor Dion George resigned

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Speaker 2: almost saying that the DA has been captured by the ANC.

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Speaker 2: So it would be interesting if the new leadership tries

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Speaker 2: to posture in a way that demonstrates to the public

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Speaker 2: and to the DA voters that they are not captured

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Speaker 2: by the ANC, that they can develop red lines and

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Speaker 2: they can leave the GNU if it no longer serves

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Speaker 2: them and their purposes. But I also think you've got

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Speaker 2: other contentious issues that are coming up. For example, in

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Speaker 2: the city of Cape Town, the question around whether do

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Speaker 2: you solve a petty crime on the highway on the

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Speaker 2: end to via a wall or not, and would that,

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Speaker 2: you know, be a jarring feature in our politics and

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Speaker 2: then and therefore drive people away from the DA. What

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Speaker 2: are the things that are much more conciliatory that they

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Speaker 2: can introduce in the politics. And it's not just only

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Speaker 2: about you know, transformation laws, John, It's also about the perspective.

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Speaker 2: For example, if you talk to the anc universe, there's

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Speaker 2: a bit of nervousness about for example es COM and

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Speaker 2: the transmission state owned company that has been developed. Do

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Speaker 2: you do you allow it to you know, sail away

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Speaker 2: from the escorm universe as an independent you know transmission

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Speaker 2: I mean transmission company, or do you allow the state

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Speaker 2: to have much more and much more influence in terms

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Speaker 2: of the developmental trajectory of the country. And I think

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Speaker 2: the operation of LINTEL, I think, and how the DA

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Speaker 2: positions itself is going to be very interesting given way.

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Speaker 2: You know, some people have said there's even a discord

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Speaker 2: between the President and the Minister of Energy and Electricity.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we saw them at Cocilla today and the

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Speaker 2: Minister of Energy and Electricity says the President has the

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Speaker 2: final say and all that they have to do is

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Speaker 2: to implement that which he wishes for. But these are

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Speaker 2: very important issues in terms of how do you sort

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Speaker 2: take inefficiencies and the introduction of the private sector. And

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Speaker 2: I think the DA will have to spend a lot

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Speaker 2: of time thinking through how it presents its message and

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Speaker 2: its priority is where that is concerned.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Lucona and Gunni looking ahead to

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Speaker 1: the DA Congress. Now, before we go to business with

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Speaker 1: mote in just a moment, let me just do something

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Speaker 1: correct or at least clarify something I said in regard

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Speaker 1: to the Pala Pala report because I didn't note and

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Speaker 1: recognize the important role played by Action SN. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they were on the Midday Report today Michael Beaumont, one

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Speaker 1: of the national leaders, talking about the part they played

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Speaker 1: News twenty four doing important analysis and so on. But

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Speaker 1: Action ESA fighting a legal battle as well to make

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Speaker 1: sure that this report came out. So just acknowledging that

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Speaker 1: twenty nine minutes past four