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Speaker 1: A very very good morning to Dennis stand in out.

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Speaker 1: Dennis is a producer of events, an actor and a writer,

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Speaker 1: and he says his Anthology of a Poet, which is

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Speaker 1: Power of Expressing Thoughts, is a volume of work over

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Speaker 1: a period of twenty five years of writing and that

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Speaker 1: it's raw authenticity experience at different times, driven by different

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Speaker 1: emotions that he himself had found himself in. He also

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Speaker 1: says his creator has birth his writing and he's year

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Speaker 1: nine studio. Welcome to talk.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you so much, Eskia, It's so good to

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Speaker 2: be studio. Hello day, all the Cape Talk listeners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Now South African audiences may remember you from

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Speaker 1: old Righteous Blues and Irons Flay. But now, how did

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Speaker 1: you go from the acting into writing or have you

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Speaker 1: always been writing?

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Speaker 3: Or just talk to us a little bit about those two.

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Speaker 2: I studied drama for three years at the Cape Academy

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Speaker 2: of Dramatic Arts. Poetry was the last thing on my

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Speaker 2: something that was sitting with me. But I think in

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Speaker 2: my darkest hours of my life, I was a drug

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Speaker 2: addict for thirteen years. I was an alcoholic for thirty

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Speaker 2: as well. But in my darkest hours of my drug addiction,

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Speaker 2: I started writing poetry and dark expressions of what I

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Speaker 2: was feeling at the time, not knowing that it would

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Speaker 2: birth my healing as well.

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Speaker 1: Incredible, incredible. Now, talk to us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: your drug addiction and your alcohol addiction.

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Speaker 3: How did you find your way out of that?

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Speaker 2: Sure, it's been a journey. I always thought I had

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Speaker 2: I don't like it, I'll stop. And that's how I

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Speaker 2: started with drugs. I went out and I tried, and

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Speaker 2: I stopped if I wanted too. And then the latter

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Speaker 2: part of my addiction, I was addicted to crystal meth.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that's the other demon, just to put

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Speaker 2: it even, that's even lightly. And I tried to stop

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Speaker 2: the murder that I and but deep down inside there

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Speaker 2: was something just sitting here. I think it was just

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Speaker 2: my soul saying, heybody, what are you doing to me.

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Speaker 2: And I laid down and I cried, and my sister

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Speaker 2: and her husband came to me, and they cried, and

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Speaker 2: this is where I started realizing adenis is more to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's more to you.

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Speaker 1: What a powerful, powerful story. A lot of people are

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Speaker 1: struggling with addiction. A lot of people don't make it out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people think this is just going to

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Speaker 1: be my life. Now what would you say to those

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Speaker 2: Sure, that's not easy, especially if you have gone to

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Speaker 2: The first thing that happens is shame, then blame. Nobody

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Speaker 2: taught me in my life that it's okay to fail,

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Speaker 2: it's okay to fall, but you can get up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the true taste.

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Speaker 2: So it's the get up. We're not going to get

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Speaker 2: it right all the time, but at least we're getting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And in fact, you probably should be getting it

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Speaker 1: it and grow, you know. But you're right there is

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Speaker 1: and I suppose maybe, Yeah, I always say, adults, our

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Speaker 1: we've got to take responsibility for our own parenting and

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Speaker 3: How long ago was that? Sure?

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Speaker 2: With the drugs, it's been about fifteen sixteen years. But

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Speaker 2: then also in between the fifteen sixteen there was a

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Speaker 2: it's just like I replaced one minute with the other.

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Speaker 2: I said in my comedy that I that I do.

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Speaker 2: I say I drank to forget, forget what I tell

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Speaker 3: Sure, that's powerful, powerful. Cote.

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Speaker 1: We're standing. We are in conversation with Dennis Stander.

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Speaker 3: He is, of course you know.

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Speaker 1: Him as an actor, but now we're getting to know

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Speaker 1: him as a writer. Talk to us about anthology of

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I said, I started writing in my darkness

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Speaker 2: and I just started writing poetry, and like I said,

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Speaker 2: it was dark poetry of where I found myself at

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Speaker 2: the time. And then I started tapping into the inner Dennis,

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Speaker 2: the the one that has purpose. And so my my

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Speaker 2: writing wasn't thoughts anymore. It was just things that were

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Speaker 2: So so my inner man was starting to write. I

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Speaker 2: is a culbination of poems written twenty years ago, as

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Speaker 2: recent as last year that all came together in this ptology.

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Speaker 2: And there's a rhythm to it. And so all these

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Speaker 1: I can see when you talk about it, you're quite

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Speaker 3: I can see that. I feel that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I I've grabbed onto the narrative of

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Speaker 2: answer stories us dictating the narrative of our own true

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Speaker 2: and water it down and add this and edit this.

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Speaker 2: And so I bare myself in the book and I

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Speaker 2: find my healing in it. I really do. So. I

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Speaker 2: believe in the methodology that we've created called post and

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Speaker 2: it stands for power of storytelling, where we unearth our

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Speaker 2: true stories and we go first to the shiny eye moments.

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Speaker 2: It's so quick to want to go to the hurt,

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Speaker 2: the failure of this, and we see it around as

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Speaker 2: you can go to that shiny eyed moments when you

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Speaker 2: then life happens. Yes, we know, but let's just bring

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you now, when you look at

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Speaker 2: Yeah you were you surprised, yes, and even putting it together,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, these are poems written long ago and

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Speaker 2: in poems that I've written recently, and how they all

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Speaker 2: I felt that way there, but I felt this way

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Speaker 2: not I wrote twenty years and then I'm going to

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Speaker 2: it's all mixed up. But isn't that the puzzle of

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Speaker 2: The puzzle pieces are mixed up, and so these borders

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Speaker 3: I'm putting it together. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh it sounds really it sounds like a great, a

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Speaker 1: great journey that you're on. We are talking about poetry.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Dennis Standy. You will know him as

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Speaker 1: this anthology of a poet I do.

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Speaker 3: Believe that you have.

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Speaker 1: I've prepared a poem for us so you can share

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I've got the book The Anthology of a Poet.

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Speaker 2: But then I have the book that I pin in. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll share one of the poems that I've written. It's

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Speaker 2: man's ideologies. I blink, I blink when there's no food

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Speaker 3: I he blinked, thank you? Thank you? Is that also?

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Speaker 2: So I'm a community activist. I'm very on the ground

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Speaker 3: Or is it.

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Speaker 2: Go, yes, But again I believe also we can change

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Speaker 1: Tell me, since you've been and embarked on this journey

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Speaker 1: now as a poet and you add poet to your

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Speaker 3: We have a voice.

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Speaker 2: For long ces, I've been searching from the outside to

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Speaker 1: And now are you talking about that? Because this has

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Speaker 3: But this is not something that people teach us to do.

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Speaker 1: And it's a scary, scary place because you know, often

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Speaker 1: And you know, actually we got to start with our songs.

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Speaker 2: And when you're sitting alone, yeah, then you're broke, and

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Speaker 3: You're tired.

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Speaker 2: Now imagine fool for me as a man. And that

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Speaker 2: is why we started Men Stand Tall as well. We

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Speaker 2: to these emotions? Then we go to campaigns like genderbease, violence, abuse, addiction, escapianism.

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Speaker 2: So I encourage men to come and sit and the

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Speaker 2: that takes away ethnicity, culture, religion and to understand who

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Speaker 1: Fact should be celebrated. Yes, I love this. We can't

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Speaker 1: talk all day, but I can't. We're talking to Dennis Standon.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Are you performing anywhere?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I performing. So I'm taking anthology of a poet

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Speaker 2: It's not a static person standing there and just reading

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Speaker 2: So he goes through an easy talk and easy talk

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Speaker 2: and how movement can. So I've got a visual artist

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Speaker 2: that your story doesn't have to look like my story.

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Speaker 2: Your story carries your authenticity in any form, shape or

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Speaker 2: size express it.

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Speaker 1: And then where do people find and of a poet.

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Speaker 2: They can purchase by me?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Tell us give us a da okay.

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Speaker 2: So my WhatsApp number is eight one three two three

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Speaker 2: of having it at the Novellasu Buntu Institute in Weinberg.

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Speaker 2: They be selling it as well, and that's where we're

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Speaker 2: having our production as well on the twenty fifth of

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Speaker 2: April at four pm and tickets are available on Cricket Perfect.

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Speaker 3: What do people search for when they.

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Speaker 2: Look for that anthology of a poet.

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Speaker 3: Anthology of a Poet.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so so so so so much for coming

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Speaker 1: to chat to us, and we wish you all the

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Speaker 1: very very best with the work that you're doing, very

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Speaker 1: very important Dennis Standard Anthology of a Poet. Head over,

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Speaker 1: go and get a ticket to the gig on the

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth of April, and yeah, get involved.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thank you

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Speaker 2: So much, ESK and the team