1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Cape Talk A Worldview from London with Adam Gilchrist. Let's 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: find out what his preference is. Adam, do you prefer 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: marmite to vegimite? I'm not sure if you have barbel 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: actually in the UK good morning. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, we do have Bobrel. My wife likes Borel. 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: I don't go near boberel. Vegemites very Australian. We can't 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: quite handle it here. But marmite absolutely big thumbs up. 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: And my sister and I get this for a really 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 2: claggy sandwich. Have a go at this or even toast 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: marmite peanut butter and cream cheese. You need a very 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: large glass of water to get that done. But it's gorgeous. 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: It is gorgeous. So you had me until peanut butter. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: So the cream cheese and the marmite on good quality 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: bread and butter. That to me makes sense. Peanut butter 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: I cannot stand, so I would have to exclude it 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: from that sandwich. 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: I'm afraid. Oh, there's two thirds of the recipe. At 18 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: least you've got your own version exactly. 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: Addressing the nation in the United States a few hours ago, 20 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: where he absolutely shed no light on how he's going 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: to end the conflict in the next two to three weeks. 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: I still don't understand why we are seeing the conflict 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: playing itself out in the Middle East. But he said 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: he's absolutely considering withdrawing the US from NATO. 25 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: Yes, he didn't bang on too much about NATO in 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: his speech. He's addressed to the nation slash the world. 27 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: He mainly was talking about how it was job done 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: in Iran. I don't get how if it's job done 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: in Iran, why are you threatening to hit them hard 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: if they don't now sign a deal. And if it's 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 2: job done in Iran, how come it's going to be 32 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: another two or three weeks before it's over. There were 33 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: so many contradictions, But is this a contradiction when he 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: has said I mean, he's been critical about the NATO 35 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: military alliance before, but he said we were there for them, 36 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: they weren't there for us, which is ridiculous. America is 37 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: the only member of NATO ever to invoke Article five 38 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: all for one article and indeed NATO came a running 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: when that was Remember the War on Terror that George 40 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: Bush put into place. The more level headed US Secretary 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: of State Marco Rubio has also reiterated that America is 42 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 2: on the verge of pulling out of NATO. The President 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: called them a paper tiger, although of course if you're 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: a part of NATO, that means you're a part of 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: the paper tiger. I don't again quite get his thinking 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: with that. I get why Donald Trump constantly wants people 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: to back him up and tow his line, and nobody 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: has with the war in Iran, But there's also this 49 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: thing that created in nineteen forty nine. The whole point 50 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: of the NATO military alliance is defensive. If one members attacked, 51 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: we all come running, is the idea. So this is 52 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: preventing predatory states from moving in on Europe and Canada 53 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: and so forth. But is America now a predatory state? 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 2: Would be my question. Not that anyone in America will 55 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: answer that. 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: And that is an important question, is it not. In 57 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: the state of Israel, the Knesset, which is a parliament, 58 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: they've passed the law imposing the death penalty on Palestinians 59 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: convicted of fatal attacks. I know that this has received 60 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: quite sharp criticism. 61 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: Oh boy, yes, I mean, they've had capital punishment as 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 2: a law in Israel for some time, but this is 63 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: a specific one about terrorism, passing this bill that will 64 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: carry out death sentences, but only if it applies to Palestinians. 65 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: So this is a default punishment for Palestinians found guilty 66 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: of intentionally carrying out acts which are classed as terrorism. 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: In Ramalah, in the Palestinian West Bank, there were dozens 68 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: of activists, political factions, civil society groups, perfectly peaceful people 69 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 2: as well gathering protesting against this new law. It's been 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: roundly condemned by the European Union, France, Germany, Italy, the UK. 71 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: America has been straight quiet so far, and I guess 72 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: doesn't quite know what to do. I mean, they have 73 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: their own capital punishment, but still they have classed it 74 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: as the EU etc. Have classed it as discrimination as 75 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: it does not apply to Jewish citizens of Israel and 76 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: does not comply with international humanitarian law. Does Israel give 77 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: two figs for that? They're very much in the Trump 78 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: camp when it comes to what the rest of the 79 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: world thinks about them. 80 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: Let's finish off with an intriguing story where barst Off 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: in Spain laughed off a thief. What does that even mean? 82 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: Yes, so here we have staff at a bar in 83 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: Malaga who found a guy had walked into the bar. 84 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: The baraka abuela bar I just wanted to say that, 85 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: and he had a machete in his hand, and he 86 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: was wearing a motorcycle helmet so his face was disguised. 87 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: He burst into the bar, pulled out a machete and 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: eventually a gun as well, and he banged on the 89 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: counter demanding money. The bar staff broke into howls of derision. 90 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: Thought it was a practical joke. Thought it might be 91 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: a former member or a mate of one of theirs 92 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: who was carrying out a prank. What the money now, 93 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: they said, shual, we call the police, laughing away. One 94 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: of them inspected the machete blade and said, yeah, that's 95 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: clearly stolen. It was obviously not a fake machete, but 96 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: nonetheless they couldn't quite believe that this was actually happening. 97 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: So at one stage, this guy held the machete at 98 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: somebody's neck and they were still laughing it off and 99 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: joking about it and sort of pull the other one. 100 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: And it's only after he left empty handed and completely 101 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: confused that they realized that actually the robbery was probably 102 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: real and this guy had struck in other bars and 103 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: other shops in other parts of Malaga in Spain. Do 104 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: you know what. Sometimes yeah, laughter can be the best cure, 105 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: but sometimes it's better not to know. If they'd known, 106 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: it was really different outcome. 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: As Adam, thank you very much. Have a wonderful Easter weekend. 108 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: Adam Gilchrist here with the Worldview from London this Thursday morning.