1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Crystal Ortison, our Africa analyst, joins us. We look at 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: what's breaking news on the African continent and I think 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: very important stories that she brings to our attention. Water 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: as we know his life and South Africa has relied 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: heavily on Lasuitsu for its water needs and we've been 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: paying for that. But now Lasuto has raised the red flag. 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: They say it's time to re look at what South 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Africa is paying for water from the lasuit to Highlands 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: water projects. Crystal Ordison, welcome. I think that is such 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: an important conversation. Yeah, tell us more. 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: Yes, good morning, Karen. So in terms of context, the 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: deal and what they call a water accord was signed 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty six, which means that Lasuitu supplies around 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: seven hundred and eighteen million cubic liters of water and 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: that provides sixty percent of our economic up which is 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: how things water, which means that counting as a province 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: cannot do without the water. And I actually went to 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: visit one of the dams, the CUTSI Dam Calent and 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: what an incredible engineering seat seeing this just dam that 20 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: is supplying all these millions of cubic of water, So 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: of course there was an agreement signed tarent and there's 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: money involved. Now this framework is said to expire in 23 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: twenty forty four. But now the Lasutu government is saying, well, 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,279 Speaker 2: the steel no longer reflects the economic and development priorities, 25 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 2: and so we're looking at South Africa has been playing 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: quite a bit for us. It's not cheap. We're looking 27 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: at those two three hundred million dollars and this accounts 28 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: for about ten percent of Lasutu's chief DP and so 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: at the moment, South Africa is also overhauling the dilapidated 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: infrastructure and paying for it because there's a whole engineering 31 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: ingenuity happening with the transfer of the tunnels under construction 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: that will you know, really help with the supply of 33 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: water because they want to actually increase the two about 34 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: one billion cubic meters of water and so it's a 35 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: major economic lifeline for La Suitu. And now they're saying, wow, 36 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: we want to re look at the steel. Interesting, South 37 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: Africa has absolutely been a mum. They're not saying anything, Clarence, 38 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: and it's the Lasuitu government that has raised the three type. 39 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: But I thought there's an interesting analogy of how we 40 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: make sense of the amount of water that they supply 41 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: to South Africa. It is five hundred and eight thousand 42 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: Olympic sized swimming pool that is full to the broom. 43 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 2: So can you imagine that current? That is how much 44 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: water lasuit to provide to the country. So it's of 45 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: course when Suitu raises this issue of money, we should 46 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: be setting up and be like, okay, what is this about. 47 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: But I think the broader economic context for the Suitu 48 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: of course currents is there were heavier reliants of course 49 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: on USAID, those custs and those aid have all but disappeared, 50 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: so there's a big hole in their fiscus. But the 51 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: other deal, and I think that's why South Africa is 52 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: also very quiet, is that we are part of the 53 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: Southern Africa Customs Union SAKKU, which is South Africa, Nambia, 54 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: Lasutu is Fatini. And what it happens is that there's 55 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: a pool of money. And again La SUTI gives quite 56 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: a considerable amount of money out of that, between forty 57 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: and fifty percent of their total government reven You actually 58 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: come from that SACU Customs Union. And what these economists 59 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: have been working out in terms of the South Africa 60 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: is actually, in essence, Clarence subsidizing neighboring states, and here 61 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: in South Africa is quite around the negotiations of renegotiating 62 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: the water treaty because they also know there's a lot 63 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: of money at stake. So the talks of sick you 64 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: resume in April current and we'll keep abreast on how 65 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: that negotiations are going. I don't think South Africa is 66 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: just going to sign over a blank check either, but 67 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: I think your suit is realizing, Look, they have economic priorities. 68 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: They know that water is essentially the engine of growth 69 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: or holping, so they know they have a bit of leeway. 70 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: But I don't think South Africa is just going to just, 71 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: you know, let the negotiations be a walkover. 72 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And don't forget there's probably the volume 73 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: of water I can fall two hundred and fifty thousand 74 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: Olympic sized swimming pools leaking through problematic infrastructure as well. Okay, yeah, 75 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: the World Bank warning of social and economic instability in Mozambique, 76 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: but young people all are seizing the day. Africans are 77 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: resourceful after all, tell us more. 78 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's actually it's a story that testa was part 79 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: of the Katto family alerted me to so we know, 80 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: we speak extensively Clarents of the reality of Africa, the 81 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: contestent of young people. They're growing unemployment. Last year we 82 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: saw the Genesu protest. But in Mozambacon, in my putting particular, 83 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: young people are saying, well, actually let's do something so 84 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: and it's something colorful. So what we see is that 85 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: young men are offering the services of painting your nails. 86 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: They call it the nail polysh points or street manicurist 87 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: and basically they you stand in line at a bus 88 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: stock or taxi rang and they come with their full 89 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: kick and they do a quick quick manucu the on 90 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: the street of Maputu Clarents. They offer colors, they offer art, 91 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: and it's young men and they are saying, look, this 92 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: is not only paying for things like air tile helping 93 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: them to feed their families, but it's also helping them 94 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: to pay for their studies. And so they're blending in 95 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: self care with a bit of street style. And of 96 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: course it's also just part of economic survival. And again 97 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 2: we see here, you know, with young people in major 98 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: cities in Mozambique are literally looking at this as a 99 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 2: form of job creation and of course offering a service 100 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: to someone who perhaps has a long hour job, you know, 101 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: cleaning or working in a factory and doesn't have a 102 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: luxury to take off an aber manicure, and yere you 103 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: are you standing in line, You've got a fifty minute 104 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: break between waiting for your transport and voila, you have 105 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: locals offering the service, and of course you pay and interns. 106 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: That money goes very far to support these young people 107 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: because we've not seen the same type of protease gen 108 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: z protess in particular for Mozambique. And I thought also 109 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: reading whilst I was doing research for the story call Parents, 110 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: to read the fact of the World Bank really raising 111 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: the alarms out of Mozambique again because they say you 112 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: about eighty seven percent of the tax revenue to get 113 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: and so again all that money that's coming in of 114 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: being used to servicing dead parents, and we see this 115 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: rural poverty rising, we see urban poverty rising, and so 116 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: there's real apprecire on living standards and just survival for Mozambique. 117 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: And so it's great to thing here on the flip side, 118 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: it's maybe it's not millions of people, but there's enough 119 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: young people that are taking up the nail board polish 120 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: boys are doing and you know, trying to eat out 121 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: and looking by using you know, snail polish and bringing 122 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: art and color to people's lives. 123 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fascinating. Whether they should include a pedicle you 124 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: in that mix of service offerings as well. I'm just 125 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: kind of thinking about my needs. Yeah, a very interesting list, Lsutu. 126 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: I've been watching this guy. He's doing his travels from 127 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: from France. His name is Eves. Yeah, so he's a 128 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: media he's a content generator and that as this bicycle thing. 129 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: He's been on a journey for three years from France 130 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: here and now he's going back to France and he's 131 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: been in La Suito for the past couple of weeks. 132 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: But really beautiful videos coming out of those Lis Suito Highlands. 133 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: I've actually prioritized it for a bit of a visit 134 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: as a result as well, where all of that rain 135 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: that you were talking about comes from. But thank you 136 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: as always, Crystal Ortison, our Africa journalist and award winning 137 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: journalist as well our Africa Analyst and the Africa Report. 138 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Every Wednesday just after ten o'clock I. 139 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: Joined the conversation with the conversation you with Cape talk