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Speaker 1: Good morning, kay Town with Africa Milani in for lest

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Speaker 1: to give it on Ktalk. Let's focus on matters politics

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Speaker 1: with Tara Ruis, who's our Captalk commentator and Business Day

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Speaker 1: political correspondent, joining us via zoom and Tara usually will

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Speaker 1: focus on matters in Parliament and we'll get there in

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Speaker 1: a moment or two. But let's start in the city

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Speaker 1: of Gold. Shall we where Helen Zilla in her efforts

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Speaker 1: to convince the electorate in Johannesburg that she should be

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Speaker 1: the next mayor of the city of Tooburg. I suppose

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Speaker 1: undertook a pothole stunt that seemed to have been successful.

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Speaker 2: Helen Zillah went deep diving Africa in a very large potle.

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Speaker 2: I was actually quite surprised that the potle was deep

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Speaker 2: and after foot an adult woman that she could physically

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Speaker 2: swim in this bottle in douglas Dale and Johannesburg. And

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Speaker 2: after this media standard was repaid within twenty four hours,

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Speaker 2: Dada Mario then clapped back on Twitter and said the

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Speaker 2: potal was swiftly taken care of after being report did

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Speaker 2: three years ago that this partle had developed. Many residents

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Speaker 2: are applauding Helenzilla and saying she actually shouldn't have to

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Speaker 2: be mayor, she should just have these media stunts all

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Speaker 2: over Joburg in the various problematic areas and it will

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Speaker 2: all be fixed before she even gets into office.

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Speaker 1: The ANC led Government of Unity, whatever they call it

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Speaker 1: at local government a level, is really proving itself ineffectual,

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Speaker 1: is it? Because if this was reported three years ago,

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Speaker 1: why did it take a day, a mere few hours

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Speaker 1: of Helen Zilla undertaking the stunt for it to be repaired?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and Danamura said that the reason is repaid was

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Speaker 2: not because of Helenzella's stunt, but rather because they had

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Speaker 2: finally gotten along to it in the serio long process

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Speaker 2: of repairing apartole. But funnily enough, after Helenzilla had made

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Speaker 2: her video of swimming in her apartal in Johannesburg, actually

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Speaker 2: Souls of the Patriotic Alliance clapped back and made his

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Speaker 2: own video. He was not swimming in a parthole, but

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Speaker 2: Jaga pointed out that there was a river that had

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Speaker 2: formed in kay Lecha and was actually full the seurage,

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Speaker 2: and he had clipped Tilens on this video and said,

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Speaker 2: you know, Helen's looking for fishes and patholes in Joeburg.

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Speaker 2: Maybe sheep must come and swim and cape down in

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Speaker 2: the own partoles year.

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Speaker 1: Lest we forget, there's a local government election coming up,

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Speaker 1: most likely in November, so we'll be exposed to a

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Speaker 1: lot of this. I suppose let's return out to Parliament.

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Speaker 1: The Adult Committee investigating allegations by Lieutenant General and Plantam

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Speaker 1: Quanazi receiving a fourth extension with a new deadline now

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Speaker 1: of the thirtieth of April. Why yet another extension, Tara.

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Speaker 2: The report was supposed to be handed over on Wednesday, Africa,

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Speaker 2: and by the time Wednesday had rolled around, the report

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Speaker 2: wasn't even compiled yet, so another extension was on the horizon.

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Speaker 2: The committeeers decided not to take any more witness testimony.

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Speaker 2: This is extension is just to compile their However, in

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Speaker 2: the meeting designing this, the DA and the A and

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Speaker 2: the EFF rather for the first time and forever, actually

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Speaker 2: saw eye to I on a matter and they said

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Speaker 2: they don't think that this extension is enough. Parliament is

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Speaker 2: going to go through its budget process soon where they

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Speaker 2: will be tabling and debating on all forty one different

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Speaker 2: budget votes. And they said between budget votes, between parliament usis,

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Speaker 2: which starts this Friday. Parliament will only turn on the

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Speaker 2: twentieth of April. That it is simply not enough time

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Speaker 2: to compile the ship forward. Moreover, various MPs who sit

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Speaker 2: on the ATTO Committee, like Ian Cameron Spretenbach, the anc

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Speaker 2: MP Honibal Nola, they are all committee chairpersons of their

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Speaker 2: various committees, and so they said, these committees have not

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Speaker 2: been able to sit and do their work because of ATTOC.

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Speaker 2: They can no longer impair the work of their committees.

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Speaker 2: They want the committee extension to actually be in September,

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Speaker 2: and they want the deadline to be extended into September.

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Speaker 2: The chairperson had said, you know what, we can't go

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Speaker 2: unto September. Let's do they if we can uss then

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Speaker 2: and the FF and the DIEG that it would actually

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Speaker 2: be embarrassing to Osworf of the extension come to the

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Speaker 2: death or very Pril. But we'll have to see if

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Speaker 2: the extension gets granted.

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Speaker 1: Then I wonder what your thoughts are, Tara, because this

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Speaker 1: is going to be an important report which will have

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Speaker 1: to be considered by the National Assembly and whatever recommendations

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Speaker 1: they put forward can potentially been acted. Of course, by Parliament.

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Speaker 1: We still have senz On Kuno as officially the police

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Speaker 1: Minister who's suspended and therefore for Rose Katalia is acting

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Speaker 1: in that role. Many people calling in saying I've just

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Speaker 1: gone into a police station, I see some Kunu's picture

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Speaker 1: and portraits still up, which is rightly the case because

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Speaker 1: he hasn't been dismissed as police minister.

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Speaker 2: Has he He has not, and that decision unfortunately does

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Speaker 2: not lie within the OT Committee's recommendations. That does lie

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Speaker 2: with in prisonent germal Pors. We did see at a

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Speaker 2: committee extension coming because since the last Witnesseram Kunadi, was called,

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Speaker 2: they actually did not have any meetings to discuss the

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Speaker 2: report and so by the time Wednesday or older around,

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Speaker 2: it was well known internally that there was going to

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Speaker 2: be another extension because there was no report compiled to

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Speaker 2: hand over the process that is now going to happen

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Speaker 2: in Parliament. What the ATA Committee can do is that

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Speaker 2: they can make legislative recommendations about their findings from witness

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Speaker 2: testimony and how that is going to impact the policing sector.

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Speaker 2: So that is the legislative part and then it will

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Speaker 2: be formally adopted by the committee and then we'll go

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Speaker 2: on to be voted on in a National Assembly with

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Speaker 2: regard to sins in Colono that lies within Persident Druma

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Speaker 2: Pausa's scope, and the MIDLANDA Commission at large can make recommendations,

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Speaker 2: but it is really dependent on Prisident Druma Pausa. And

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Speaker 2: funnily enough, Africa, I'm sure you've seen the news actually

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Speaker 2: returned to his position on the A and C NAC

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Speaker 2: and he had made that announcement and himself because he

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Speaker 2: had said himself that he's going to step away, and

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Speaker 2: he has gone back to say I'm back on the AC,

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Speaker 2: AN C NEC other and the NC had not made

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Speaker 2: any formal announcements. So I do think that there are

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Speaker 2: tensions brewing there and hopefully we can get a conclusive

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Speaker 2: decision on this matter within the next few months.

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Speaker 1: And we should clarify that the step aside rule doesn't

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Speaker 1: really apply here because he has not been charged with

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Speaker 1: anything yet and he has not been indicted, and it's

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Speaker 1: only once you've been charged and indicted. Is my understanding

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Speaker 1: that the ANC then expects whoever is accused to apply

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Speaker 1: the step aside rule and literally step aside. So Salem

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Speaker 1: kuldn't had prematurely done that when he then walked away

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Speaker 1: from his functioning in the NEEC.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is your understanding is completely correct. And the timeline,

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Speaker 2: if I could just set it up, is that the

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Speaker 2: Art Committee report will likely come April, if not April September.

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Speaker 2: The Lunger Commission is likely going to go into next year.

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Speaker 2: So Sincecuno is going to be here for quite a while,

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Speaker 2: unless President Drumpausa decides to step in and say, you know,

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Speaker 2: we haven't our premium flocky evidence, I think that he

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Speaker 2: needs to be removed. Maybe it will be an A

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Speaker 2: are committed to reform, look at us, look at what

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Speaker 2: we're doing. But I do think that there are increasing

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Speaker 2: tensions in the ANC and they really don't know what

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Speaker 2: to do about this Midlnger Commission problem Africa. Every single

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Speaker 2: day we turn on the TV and more and more

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Speaker 2: testimony comes out about our politicians are linked to the

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Speaker 2: criminal underwall and means all Affricans sit back and say,

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Speaker 2: you know, if I don't pay my taxes, I got

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Speaker 2: to jail, but you're allowed to steal millions from the country.

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Speaker 1: And get away with it absolutely and influence not only

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Speaker 1: the police services but the judiciary where possible while you

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Speaker 1: are doing this. And of course all of this impacts

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Speaker 1: on the elective conference of the NC in December of

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Speaker 1: next year. Right because we all know that saam Kuno

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Speaker 1: was one of those favorite candidates by President Soramaposa to

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Speaker 1: succeed him.

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Speaker 2: He was one of the favorite candidates, and the Serumopausa

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Speaker 2: faction of the A and C right now they're looking

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Speaker 2: for a replacement. We will get a greater clearer indication

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Speaker 2: in December of this year when the A and C

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Speaker 2: has their policy conference. That is usually when we start

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Speaker 2: to see the factions forming and the franchianas of likely

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Speaker 2: A and C candidates. Right now, the top contenders are

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Speaker 2: for quillim Balula, Paul Mashatila and if hens produced Mitzepe.

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Speaker 2: But the Soromopausa factions Ermopo hasn't really given any leeway

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Speaker 2: to who he would support as a candidate, and seromopause

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Speaker 2: is backing is very important. But the ANC is going

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Speaker 2: to go through a very big reckoning with local government

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Speaker 2: elections coming up likely in November of this year, and

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Speaker 2: I think that will also heavily influence what happens at

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Speaker 2: their policy conference and then in turn at their leadership

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Speaker 2: conference next to in December.

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Speaker 1: Times Tara, thank you very much, Tara rouss Our, Capitol

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Speaker 1: commentator in Business Day political correspondent. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: Leicester next week Friday. So those are the three options, Figulin, Balula,

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Speaker 1: Paul Mashatile and should he choose to run, Patrice Mozzeppe.

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Speaker 1: If you were an ANC card carrying member and you

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Speaker 1: could vote for one of those three people as the

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Speaker 1: next president of the ANC, who would it be? I

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Speaker 1: hope not Paul Mashatile given all that has been reported

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Speaker 1: on him and his connections in the world of crime.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately Figul and Balula is certainly erasmatas he will excite

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Speaker 1: that office. Paul, Sorry, Patrice Mozzeppe indicating at a recent

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Speaker 1: agm of his company that he chairs that he will

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Speaker 1: not be running for president. But you could still be sweet,

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Speaker 1: which of those three gentlemen would you choose? If you

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Speaker 1: could do what's happening to seven two five six seven,

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Speaker 1: one five six seven Better yet, call me one two

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