1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: You're with Clement Manya Tela seven. But right now we 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: start our conversation with the German Ambassador to South Africa, 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Lesto and Andreas Peshke. Remember a few weeks ago we 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: hosted the French ambassador. We've got the UK High Commissioner 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: coming through as well, the US ambassador as well, whom 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: we were told will come. So we are bringing you 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: these conversations with ambassadors, and today's focus is on Germany 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: because it's one of South Africa's most important international partners economically, 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: politically and increasingly in tackling global challenges as well. So ambassador, 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you making time for us. Welcome to 11 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: seven oh two. Good morning, Hello, Good morning lam. So 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: when you were coming in, Abel was like the ambassador 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: looks like he's having a lot of fun in South Africa. 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: Wow I do. 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we loving it. 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: Here, yes of course. 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: Now it's a very interesting country and also work wise 18 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: of course, fascinating relationship between our countries. So it's very 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: good to be an ambassador with the tour between two 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: countries who you know, do so much with each other, 21 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: like South Africa and Germany. 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to focus on the much that 23 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: happened between the two countries in a moment. I just 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: want us, though, to touch a little bit on what is, 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: of course happening in the world as Geminy. And I'm 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: asking this question because Geminy plays a central role in 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: global geopolitics, because of your economic strength, your diplomatic influence, 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: and commitment to multilateral corperation. What is your position right 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: now on what's currently happening in Iran and in fact 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: in the Gulf. 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: Sure, well, we are, like everybody else, we are kind 32 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: of very concerned. I mean, it's affecting all of us heavily. 33 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: So I mean, like, like all of us, we really 34 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: hope that this thing is going to end soon. So 35 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: our chancellor came out recently and said, you know, we 36 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: need this thing to end. We need to restore normalcy 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: to the Middle East. So obviously nobody, nobody was in 38 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: favor of that regime that ruled in Iran. I think 39 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: what happened at the beginning of the year with those 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 3: protests in Tehran and then the crushing of these protests 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: thousands of that maybe so that was bad obviously. But 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: you know what's happening right now, the attacks and the 43 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: counter attacks I mean, you know, I won't discuss I 44 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: won't discuss international law. I mean that is maybe for 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: a later stage be looked at. But you know, this 46 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: escalation we are seeing is really really dangerous. I mean 47 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: everybody here in South Africa feels it because those airports 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: they are really hobs, I mean Dubai, Abu, Dhbi, Qatar, 49 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: they are destinations, they are worldwide hubs. The international oil 50 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 3: supply fertilizes from Saudi Arabia coming to Sada, not coming 51 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: to South Africa currently, And it's the same with US. 52 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: In Germany. 53 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: The oil prices they have gone up in Germany like 54 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: by twenty percent, so you know, people are really complaining 55 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: at the petrol stations. So you know, our interest and 56 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: our position would be that whatever happens, it needs to 57 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: end soon. 58 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Do you think as Germany you want to intervene in 59 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: like the Strait of Homus because you talk about twenty 60 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: percent spike in energy prices. What the US President suggested 61 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: is that let's help, well, it would be your best 62 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: interest in Europe as well to try and help reopen 63 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: that Strait of Homus. What has been Germany's position on 64 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: that getting involved? 65 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: Well, actually following the lead of our Chancellor and our 66 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: Minister of Defense. We are very reluctant to get involved. 67 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: I mean, we didn't close it, so I think it's 68 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: a direct consequence of the attacks and counter attacks. So 69 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: I think those who are involved need to take responsibility 70 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: as well for the consequences in a way. So we are, 71 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 3: you know, ready to support our friends and partners in 72 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: the regions. We are working closely with the golf countries. 73 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: Our minister was going around talking to everybody, you know, 74 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: trying to de escalate, but getting involved directly in that 75 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: in that trait is probably something where we would be 76 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: very reluctant. 77 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's let's talk now about our relations relations 78 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: between Germany and South Africa. What would you say the 79 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: biggest areas of cooperation between our two countries right now? 80 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean we've got trade, we've got energy, we've got 81 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, climate, so much that we work together with. 82 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: What would you say are some of the biggest areas 83 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: of cooperation. 84 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think the biggest area obviously would be would 85 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: be would be economic relations, business relations. I mean we 86 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: are very strong trade and investment partners. In fact, Germany 87 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 3: is in the list of bilateral trading partners of South Africa. 88 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 3: It's number three after China and the US. And so 89 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: we have over six hundred German companies in South Africa. 90 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: Six hundred, six hundred. Jeez, that's a lot. 91 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: Of America has just over five hundred. 92 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're in the same range, but even a little 93 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: bit less, I don't know. But you know, we have 94 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: a strong footprint creating like over one hundred thousand direct 95 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: jobs and many more indirectly actually, So yeah. One of 96 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 3: the big sectors where they are active is obviously automotive. 97 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: You know, our solid German brands and you know there 98 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: Volkswagen is going to celebrate seventy five years in South 99 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: Africa this year, going to be a big celebration in August. 100 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: BMW just introduced the wonderful hybrid X three. I think 101 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: the President came for the launch of the new model. 102 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's in the big area of corporation investment. 103 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: Another thing, obviously is energy. So we are i think 104 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: locked in a partnership to modernize energy supply energy transition. 105 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: We think it's a really win win, you know, modernizing 106 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: energy supply in South Africa, modernizing energy supply in Germany, 107 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: and then by this doing something good for our climate 108 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: as well, and so Germany is heavily committed to this partnership. 109 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: We have invested I think over fifty billion rant, over 110 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: fifty billion rerent into this partnership. 111 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: And progress is there. 112 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, at the end of the day, 113 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: this successful transition also helped to stabilize energy supply in 114 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: South Africa, and now the big thing is transmission. Next 115 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: big thing is transmission, and we are committed to continue 116 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: this partnership to tackle this, both using public funds but 117 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: also encouraging private investors to get involved, you know, to 118 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: do what is necessary. 119 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: So that is two. 120 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: Areas and then one another big area maybe to be 121 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: mentioned is that area of skills development job creation. I 122 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: mean that is one of the big points in South Africa, 123 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: with unemployment at thirty percent, used unemployment at over sixty so. 124 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: You know, and our. 125 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: Companies are looking for for talented young guys, so skills 126 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: development is important. So we are also partnering in this 127 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: area and we're doing a lot of interesting things. I've 128 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: just spoken to our development guys recently, and there's one 129 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: program called Infrastructure Repair and Maintenance, So that's a pro 130 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 3: joint program South Africa, Germany where you know, it's not 131 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 3: a full. 132 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: Full tivt coorus of three years. 133 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: It's a shorter program where people are being really taught 134 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: practical skills in the area of repair maintenance and then 135 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: they're upskilled to take up a job in a company 136 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: or even be self employed as kind of a short 137 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: term remedy to help to help in skills development job creation. 138 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: So that's something which is good. Or another thing. 139 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: There's the Tim Timom Digital Skills Hub at Wits University 140 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 3: just around the corner, also a joint program where students 141 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: and graduates can develop their digital skills, the digital design 142 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 3: and stuff. 143 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: It's very good. 144 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: Our Vice Chancellor was here when he came for the 145 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: D twenty so we went there and met those young guys. 146 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: Very fascinating stuff. 147 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: So what I'm trying to say is we have those 148 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: big programs, but at the end of the day, truth 149 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: is very concrete, So we really need to do things 150 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: which have concrete benefits for the people of our countries, 151 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 3: and that's what we're trying to do. 152 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: I want to ask a bit about the automotive sector. 153 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen like the kind like I'm sure 154 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: the Chinese brands that have really become quite popular in 155 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: South Africa. I think the last I checked a multiple 156 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: manufacturers were exceeding about one thousand unit sales per month. 157 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: So these Chinese brands are getting popular here. Have the 158 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: German companies felled the brand? Have they been impacted in 159 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: any way? Would you say from what you've observed, yeah. 160 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: I know everybody's feeling the pressure. I mean, Chinese is 161 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: already but is still growing superpower in every area basically, 162 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 3: but also in the automotive. 163 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: Of course. 164 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: As a German ambassador, I still love our German brands. 165 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: I mean I think they are really still the top 166 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: of the range. But truth be told, I mean the 167 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: Chinese cars are very good, I mean very good, and 168 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: oftentimes they can offer a little bit cheaper than then 169 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: and then and then than our German companies. So yeah, 170 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: I mean they have grown in popularity. The thing is, 171 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: and that's what we are also talking about with the 172 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: government and authorities here, is that, you know, selling cars 173 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: is one thing, and there I think we are just 174 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: you know, we we need to expose ourselves to every 175 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 3: fair competition in the world. I mean, now cars are 176 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: competing with the Chinese, the Americans the Japanese and so on. 177 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: So that's one thing. 178 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: The other thing is is uh producing cars manufacturing. So 179 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: how many Chinese cars are manufactured in South Africa's non 180 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: how many German cars are manufactured in South Africa quite 181 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: a significant number. So I think that is something to 182 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: be kept in mind. 183 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 2: Uh. 184 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: You know, our guys are here, they're here to stay. 185 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: They made a big investment, uh, to help this economy, 186 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: to support this economy, to create jobs. So I think 187 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: in a way this needs to be kept in mind. 188 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: I mean, uh, it's not to protect anybody, but but 189 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: I think either you asked the Chinese also to be 190 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 3: invested in the market, not only selling, or you try 191 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: to do something positive for those who are already invested, 192 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: try to boost their business. 193 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 2: So that's uh. And there's a lot of things which. 194 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: You can do about increasing TIFFs. Yeah, well tariffs is 195 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: one thing. But but but but but but they are 196 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: also software measures that you that that you can take. 197 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: I mean, there was this automotive support program. Now it's 198 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: their talks to to revamp it to to take into 199 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 3: account you know, electric hybrid cars and stuff, modern car 200 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 3: producing and you know our automotive guys they are going 201 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: down that lane. The new X three d D BMW 202 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: is a hybrid thing, a hybrid cary so which you 203 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: can drive around electrically if you're going in Joburg and 204 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: Sentin in Pretoria. But then if you do across the 205 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: country trips, you go down, go back to patrol. So 206 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: it's a kind of a it's innovative solution. So but 207 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: you know, this thing needs to be rebammed, needs to 208 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: be updated, needs to be inclusive of issues like battery 209 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: production and stuff. But so that's something we are looking at. 210 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 3: I mean, we are open to every fair competition, but 211 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: I think we need to incentivize investment that creates jobs. 212 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it was Cherry that announced that 213 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: they're going to be establishing a local production soon here 214 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: in South Africa. And by the way, if you're Germany, 215 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: make sure you go check out the BMW museum. When 216 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: I was there, I went to check out the museum. 217 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: It's something else. It's incredible and I think it shows 218 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: just why you know, Germans are leading in the automotive space. 219 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: It's twenty four minutes after ten outlock. We're in conversation 220 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: with the German ambassador to South Africa and Sortini. If 221 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: you've got questions, if you want to join in this conversation, 222 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: you've got inputs, give us a call on one one 223 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: eighty three oh seven oh two. What's ups on? Oh 224 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: seven two seven two one seven two Clement show, let's 225 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: walk it all finish. Seven minutes after ten out lock, 226 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: we are speaking to Andreas Peshke, who's the German ambassador 227 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: to South Africa, and we're talking just about the corporation 228 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: between South Africa and Germany. We started off, of course, 229 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: by looking at geopolitics and what German's position is on 230 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: what's currently taking place in the Middle East. I've got 231 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: some questions coming through from our list, Narsenal. I'll get 232 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: to that in a moment. There is a question I 233 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: want to ask about energy and transitioning to cleaner sources 234 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: of energy. The debate in South Africa has been that 235 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: it has to be a just transition and there was 236 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: a point where some of our politicians, if in our 237 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: Electricity minister, felt like there was pressure coming from whether 238 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: it's Europe the worst saying you need to decobonize, like 239 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: take away your minds, and they felt we can't do that. Now, 240 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: do you think that there's been enough grants or funding 241 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: to help South Africa in that just transition. 242 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you mentioned it because you know that 243 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: just is really an intrinsic part of the energy transition. 244 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: Even their partnership between South Africa and international partners is 245 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: quite just just energy transition partnership. So if you don't 246 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: do it in a just manner, you can't do it 247 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: at all. So that would be our position, and I 248 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: mean we have that same experience in Germany. We are 249 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: also transiting from coal to other sources of energy, and 250 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: if you don't provide alternative employment and jobs to those 251 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: guys living in the coal regions, working in the coal 252 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: fired power plants and stuff, then you won't go anywhere. 253 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: So it's and that's that actually needs to be part 254 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: of the transition. So we actually we also you know, 255 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: shared our experience. We had you know, guys from the 256 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: Presidential Climate Commission from the sector stay called us from 257 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: South Africa show them around in the areas in Germany. 258 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: We have what we are trying to do in terms 259 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: of sharing best practices maybe and then here so we 260 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: have those programs which are focused on on the technical side, 261 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 3: you know, building solar building, wind building, turbines going into transition. 262 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: But then we also have joint programs that focus on 263 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 3: that just aspect, who really specifically look at creating good 264 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 3: framework conditions, how to create alternative employment, how to create 265 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: an ecosystem where people would not only depend on traditional 266 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 3: sources of energy, but where you you know, can build 267 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: something else. So there's one thing in actually it's like 268 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 3: a training colleague. I think Scape Town is called Sabattech. 269 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: So we are cooperating there with South African government stakeholders 270 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 3: actually to train people in skills in modern energies like 271 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 3: solar energy engineers, like wind turbine engineers and stu so 272 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 3: that you know, you create alternative employments. And then we 273 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: are working in places where there are you know, traditional 274 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 3: co fire power plants that may go out of operation 275 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: at some point in the not too distant futures because 276 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 3: some of them reach the end of their life cycles anyway, 277 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: so you would need to do something about them. And 278 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: maybe Commati is not such a good example, a terrible example, 279 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: terrible example. 280 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: But it was premture. But the experience I. 281 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: Think here, the the the the people responsible in South 282 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: Africa grew from this example is that you need to 283 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 3: front load social aspects. You need to look at them first, 284 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 3: not after you do the technical stuff. So uh and 285 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 3: that's what what we are trying to kind of partner. 286 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: Uh and and and and and and and so there 287 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: are some successful things uh uh where we're which we 288 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: are looking at. The Dutch are doing something at Rode 289 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: Flee creating alternative agricultural jobs for people who used to 290 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 3: be in the energy sector before. So, I mean it 291 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 3: needs to be part of it. It's very difficult because 292 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: when when I mean we also were for hundreds of 293 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 3: years were a coal firet economy in Germany. When you 294 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: want to change that and South Africa goes down decades 295 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: when you want to change that, it really really needs 296 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: careful planning. But it can be done. Actually, I'm quite optimistic. 297 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's ten thirty two. You're with Clement Manateela twenty 298 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: three minutes before eleven o'clock in conversation this hour with 299 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: the German ambassador to South Africa, Andrea's Peshke. I want 300 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: to give you an opportunity to join this conversation. I 301 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: see some of your messages that are coming through on 302 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: the whats up line. Some calls as well on one 303 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: one eighty eight, three, seven or two. So let's start 304 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: with those calls. Renee, you are calling us from Kensington. 305 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 4: Good morning, Hi, Good morning, Clement. Once again, thanks for 306 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 4: taking my call. I appreciate it. I overheard the German 307 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 4: ambassador talking about the German cars are manufactured here in 308 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: the country, and it's ironic that I actually just came 309 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 4: to the Mercedes Benz dealership. Now I'm actually talking to 310 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 4: you from here, Clement. I want to ask the German 311 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 4: ambassador if he could do something about the price of 312 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 4: Mercedes Ben's cars and about the price of Mercedes been spots. 313 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 4: It is not very expensive. It is extremely expensive. We 314 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 4: collect old cars as well, and it is just unbelievable 315 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 4: the price that you get when you go for a quote. 316 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 4: Just to give you a simple example, my sister's car 317 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 4: is supposed to go in tomorrow for a gearbox service. 318 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 4: It's over six thousand and just for a gearbox service. 319 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 4: Because the filter alone with with that goes with the 320 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 4: gearbox is over two thousand rand. One liter of oil 321 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: is over four thousand brand. You still have to add 322 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 4: labor to that. It's just it's it just becomes unbearable 323 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 4: to pay these type of prices. As I mean, we. 324 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 5: Collect old cars. 325 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 4: You go to get a quote on certain parts, it 326 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 4: comes to forty seven thousand Rand fifty three thousand brand. 327 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 4: It's just it's just ridiculous. You you take, for example, 328 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 4: the US, where you know they manufactured their cars in 329 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 4: the fifties, sixties, seventies. It's cheap to buy parts for 330 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 4: old US cars. Why why are we paying so much 331 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 4: money for party? And I'm asking that you can do 332 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 4: something about that. 333 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: Let's say, I don't know if there's anything it can do. 334 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: Renee in Kensington, thank you so much for Carlabazada. Is 335 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: that anything you. 336 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: Can do well, Renee, I can ensure you that I'm 337 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: going to pass it on. So we are, of course 338 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 3: regular contacts with our entrepreneurs as such, and maybe that's 339 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: a good thing. An ambassador or a state representative cannot 340 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: do much about pricing because that is still we are 341 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: kind of market, hopefully a free market economy. But I 342 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: pass it on and I hope the voice is going 343 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 3: to be heard. 344 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: And then when I read some of the messages here 345 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: coming through, one says here, High Clement, I like the ambassador. 346 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: He is so patriotic about our country. I follow him 347 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: on social media. If one does not know him, you 348 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: will think he is a citizen of South Africa. So 349 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: big ups to him. That's a message on the wsup line. 350 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: Another person says, good morning, Clement. Please can you ask 351 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: the ambassador about funding for agricultural programs and is there 352 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: a relationship at an agricultural level between Germany and South Africa. 353 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: Well, it's a good question. There is a relationship. 354 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 3: I mean, South Africa is a very strong agricultural country 355 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: and German is as well, so I think there's a 356 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: large room for corporation. Actually, our minister was here last week, 357 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 3: our Minister of Agriculture and met the South Africa Minister 358 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: of Agriculture. And one of the really topical things where 359 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 3: we agreed in corporation is food and mouth disease because 360 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 3: Germany was caught with the disease last year and South 361 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: Africa is suffering now. So actually ministers agreed and our 362 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: experts agreed to tackle this challenge together, to exchange best practices, 363 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: experiences and to develop kind of measures that can be 364 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: taken in a joint fashion. Our chief veteran veterinary offices 365 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: were together they also met in the margins of the visit, 366 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: so that's one thing. But yeah, I know we have agriculturists. 367 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the German market is interesting to South 368 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 3: African agriculturalists, so selling fruit, selling wine, I mean South 369 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: African wine is a household name in the household brand 370 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 3: and German supermarkets. But we also have German agriculturalists who 371 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: kind of partner with South African colleagues, farmers who are 372 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: active here in the market and try to develop the potential. 373 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: And then there's the issue on agricultural equipment. So I 374 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: mean there are German companies, not only suppliers, but companies 375 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 3: who are actually producing components or parts of the equipment 376 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 3: here on the ground. 377 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: So at all. 378 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 3: These agricultural shows you will have German brands of agricultural 379 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: equipment that can be used. So we are open to 380 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: partnership in this area as well. 381 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Another message, yes, as heidlerment, can you ask 382 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: the ambassador where none politically affiliated entrepreneurs can send their 383 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: pitch decks for that just energy transition funding? Do you 384 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: operate at a country to country level or it's. 385 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: Interesting why why why why why? 386 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: He says, non political and I would think entrepreneur can 387 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: be political, but per se should be non political. Well, well, 388 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 3: if they can be in touch with us directly, I mean, 389 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 3: we have an open line and then we can direct 390 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 3: it forward to our agency's KfW which is our Development Bank, 391 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 3: or GS which is our agency for technical cooperation. So 392 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 3: anybody who wants to be involved, to want to do 393 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 3: who wants to do things. I mean if obviously you 394 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 3: can approach any institution South Africa that is delving into 395 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 3: the sector. But as far as our partnership is concerned, 396 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: please come to us. We are social media or we 397 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: are the internet. We are wide open and then we 398 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 3: look into it. 399 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: Okay, some what's a voice notes it's all coming. 400 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 6: Seven or two inclement that chairman and Bassada, nice speaking guy. 401 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 6: I just like to give compliment to Jermain as a country, 402 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 6: having been there several times on. 403 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: The cities. 404 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 6: All the cities have been a beautiful clean most of 405 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 6: all it's ordered. There's order in Germany and there's law 406 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 6: in Germany. When they start project, see that they started 407 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 6: or they don't start it. The autoban so clear and 408 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 6: clean and clear, alish good in Germaine. Wundeba Wundebaudba andlan Bongani. 409 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: Thank you. 410 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: What autoban is highway? 411 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: Oh is that English? 412 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 3: Well, ottobon is German. But because the Germany is I 413 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: think the home of the highway. The first highways were 414 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 3: constructed in Germany, and so you know, sometimes in I 415 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 3: think the English sometimes use an English autoban as. 416 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: Just as a loan. No, it's our highways, yeah, no 417 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 2: they are. 418 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 3: I mean actually Germans are complaining as South Africans about 419 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: the state of our infrastructure. Really, if you look at 420 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 3: it from the outside, I think to you know, Germans 421 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: like to complain about everything. So but no, we have 422 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: good auto bans and and and our cities are nice 423 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 3: and very old cities as well. 424 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: The only thing is is the weather. 425 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 3: I mean that is really if you go to Germany, 426 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 3: you need to pick the right time to go. 427 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: Well, the right time is probably early summer. 428 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, in during summer it can be actually quite hot. 429 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: So what's your period for early summer. 430 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 3: Early summer would be June, you know, June, and Berlin 431 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: is wonderful long nights. Sun is setting at half past 432 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: ten eleven o'clock in the evening. Yeah, so you sit 433 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 3: in the beer garden, you sip your beer whatever party 434 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 3: drink and stuff. 435 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: So it's very beautiful all you go. 436 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 3: In September, late summer, which is incidentally when the Berlin 437 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: Marathon takes place, so it's also beautiful time of the year. 438 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: And then cold in September. No, it's not too cold. 439 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: It's not cold. 440 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 2: It actually can be it can be very nice. 441 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: Okay, great because I'm running the Berlin Marathon and fantastic. 442 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: It can really get too cold. Then when it's too cold, 443 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: it just messes you up in the morning before the race. Okay, 444 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: that's that's incredible. There's another one of voice loots. 445 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 5: Actually small guys in Joe Burgh. I'd like to ask 446 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 5: the ambassador if South Africa and Germany have some sort 447 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 5: of corporation funding, collaboration with the creative industry or to 448 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 5: benefit the creative industries. I know that Germany has a 449 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 5: lot of creative things that are happening there with their 450 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 5: industries that they sometimes collaborate with other parts of the 451 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 5: world with. I'd like to know if there are similar 452 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 5: things in happening with South Africa and how to find those. 453 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 5: I know that the Gutti Institute, for instance. 454 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 7: Has some things that they're doing their opportunities to import 455 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 7: sort of creative and export creative work and find those collaborations. 456 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 5: It's Mortgazy and Jobrick, great conversation. 457 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, mon Ghzy. Collaborations in the arts, yeah we do. 458 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: I mean we have obviously tourist attorneys by South African 459 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: artists or artistic companies in Germany, like you know the 460 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: over youth choir or orchestras the im Sanzi Ballet. I mean, 461 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: they are going to Germany as well, and actually they're 462 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: playing too very enthusiastic audiences because interest is very high. 463 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: But then in arts, I mean, the Good Institute is 464 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: a good point of call. They are running regular programs. 465 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 3: You can also be in touch with us at the embassy. 466 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: We are also feeding it back with home. We have, 467 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 3: for instance, a program called Artists in Residents in various places. 468 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: We have one in Berlin, one in Leipzig where creative guys, 469 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 3: authors or other artists can be in Germany for like 470 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: a couple of months, half a year and then do 471 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: their arts and you know, getting input from the German context. 472 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: So that's one program. That's one program, rewind. We also 473 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: have partnership between I mean that's not particularly in the 474 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: art not directly in the artistic space, but but we 475 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 3: also have partnerships between museums. We regularly organize tours for 476 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: museum guys, for artists to go to Germany to interact 477 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 3: with their colleagues. So I think the best thing you 478 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: could do is to be in touch with the great 479 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: institute number one in number two with the embassy, follow 480 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: our social media, follow our website, or ask us directly, 481 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 3: and then we can update you on concrete programs that 482 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 3: may be interesting to you. 483 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: All right, perfect, it's twelve minutes now before eleven o'clock. 484 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: I've got more WhatsApps that I'll get to you after 485 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: the break, your voice, your questions, your morning radio with 486 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: Clement Manateela. See it's nine minutes before eleven outlog. We 487 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: are just about to wrap up our conversation with the 488 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: gym and Ambassador to South Africa, Andreas Peshke, And I've 489 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: got what's ups that have come an oh seven seven, 490 00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: two and seven or two. 491 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 8: Clement, I just want to say pickups to Germany and 492 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 8: the gentlemen there in the studio. Man Germany is doing 493 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 8: quite a beautiful work through GIA. Is that the program 494 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 8: in South Africa. I mean Joe Back in particular, they're 495 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 8: working with the Johann's Bed Chamber of Commerce and Industry 496 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 8: and uh they are doing quite a good job and 497 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 8: pickups to them. 498 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: Put it here Johannes Back. 499 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, Hi Clement and Na Tine. 500 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 9: I'd just like to concare also about the discipline in Germany. 501 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: I used to go to Nice. 502 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 9: A lot and what I've seen in terms of the discipline. 503 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 9: I remember the emblance was coming out at some point 504 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 9: and every car in every stop had to stop for 505 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 9: the emblance to actually drive past the area and then all. 506 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 2: That was starts working again. 507 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 9: I loved that if that can happen in South Africa, 508 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 9: I do like they wouldn't. They wouldn't because you do 509 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 9: not see the emblance, but you see the robot is 510 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 9: actually showing that the emblence coming somewhere and you had 511 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 9: to stop and wait until the robots starts again. That 512 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 9: for me, I applauded, and I tried to introduce it 513 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 9: in South Africa because I was working in road safety 514 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 9: then and I remember the engineer laughed at me as 515 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 9: that do you think that can be implemented in South Africa? 516 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: Thank you not in so that Yeah, we will fight 517 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: with it with the ambulance. But you are fascinating. Thank 518 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: you so much for for your questions. I'm in your comments, Master, 519 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: I want to ask about I mean, there's a lot 520 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: happening geopolitically, and I know, you know, Germany has traditionally 521 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: positioned itself as a strong advocate for a rules based 522 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: international order. What do you make as Germany of what's 523 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: going on in the world today? And I mean it's 524 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: a tough question, but do you even know where we're heading? 525 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: It's so uncertain? 526 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: Well, actually claim it. I wish I knew. 527 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 3: It's sometimes you have a feeling that it's getting crazier 528 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 3: by the day, by the hour, every dween. There seems 529 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 3: to be so much unpredictability. So I mean, the thing is, 530 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 3: how do we respond to this Countries like South Africa, 531 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 3: like Germany, not superpowers, countries who actually depend on a 532 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 3: reliable international order, on a rules based international order. And 533 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 3: our conclusion would be Germany, European Union, South Africa, as 534 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 3: I understand it would be to you know, work together, 535 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 3: to put our heads together. What we can do actually 536 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 3: to keep, to uphold and to strengthen an international order 537 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: that is really worth living for it. So I mean, 538 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 3: for instance, what South Africa did during the twenty in 539 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 3: our view was very useful. I mean, a lot of 540 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: initiatives on development finance in international findings and reform of 541 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 3: the United Nations, reform of international finance institutions, actually initiatives 542 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: to strengthen the international order. What we do together in 543 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 3: the area in the United Nations to move forward the 544 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 3: reform process is quite important. 545 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 2: So I think it would be wrong. 546 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 3: I mean, things are difficult really obviously objectively, no doubt 547 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 3: about it, but it would be wrong to resign. We 548 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 3: must not resign. We need to actually tackle these issues, 549 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 3: try to find partners and try to work together with 550 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 3: partners to do something about the situation. And there's a 551 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 3: lot of things we can do together, as South Africa 552 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 3: showed during the twenty as we are trying to show 553 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 3: actually we are running for a non permanency that United 554 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 3: Nations Security Council. We hope that South Africa is going 555 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 3: to support us, so we are also ready to take 556 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 3: responsibility again so to move things forward, to improve and 557 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: make our ruths better. 558 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 1: Another question here from Boriso and Pretorius as High Clement 559 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: I would like to kindly ask why Germany discontinued the 560 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: mug lev train transport system. Additionally, are there any plans 561 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: to revive this technology in the future or possibly introduce 562 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: it maybe in South Africa where the large lend area 563 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: could make it highly beneficial. The muggle of train system 564 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: mug leer now about it, Maybe it's by another name Ugler. 565 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 3: Maybe it's what we call trans rapid. Was a on 566 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 3: a magnetic kind of a train system. 567 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: Was it discontinued? 568 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we had a test, we had a test. 569 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 3: Run and actually it was far advanced. But then we 570 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 3: we we we we Well, Germany in comparison to South 571 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 3: Africa is actually small. I mean starts Africa is three 572 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 3: and a half time the size of Germany, so the 573 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 3: distances are very short, so we don't we need fast trains. 574 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 3: But we didn't need this super fast trains, so we 575 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 3: discontinued working on this. It's a technology that maybe may 576 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 3: come up. I mean there's certainly space for faster trains 577 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 3: in South Africa. I imagine if we have a fast 578 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 3: train between Joburg and Cape Town, you know, could cut 579 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 3: down to commute to five hours. 580 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 2: But then you don't need that super fast. 581 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 3: You can also go for what we call in Germany 582 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 3: the intercity, which goes like two hundred, two hundred and 583 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 3: fifty of an hour. That would already improve actually traveling 584 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 3: distance a lot. 585 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 10: Hi clim and Ambassador Peshka. I had the good fortune 586 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 10: of interacting with ambassador and interviewing him for my podcast 587 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 10: Believe It or Not, at a dance music conference that 588 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 10: the German embassy had been sponsoring in Lusota in South Africa. 589 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 10: So I just wanted to highlight the fact that I 590 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 10: love how generally the Germans are about arts and culture 591 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 10: and supporting the arts. I don't know if you recall 592 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 10: at lockdown the German government. I think we're one of 593 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 10: the first governments to announce that they were ring fencing. 594 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 10: I think it was a billion euro just to support 595 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 10: arts and culture, an artist and the arts during lockdown 596 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 10: because they understood one the value that they bring to 597 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 10: everyday lives of Germans, I suppose, and the fact that 598 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 10: as soon as it's lockdown, there's no income for these people. 599 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 10: So I love the fact that they're passionate about the 600 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 10: arts and they invest in the arts. I think something 601 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 10: we could all learn from. 602 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thank you for that Tato and Ambassador. 603 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 3: Actually forgot to mention the DJ workshops when we spoke 604 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 3: about culture d workshops. So we had we are partnering 605 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 3: with you know, important DJs here in South Africa. One 606 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 3: of them is Ralph gam who's actually a few people 607 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 3: know it, but he's actually from Germany. So and they 608 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 3: and a couple of other very experienced DJs in the 609 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 3: in the in the sector offered pro grams to encourage. 610 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 2: And to to to to to give space to young 611 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 2: aspiring DJs. 612 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 613 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 3: So that was a good thing and it always ended 614 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 3: with very nice parties here in Joel Burke and in 615 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 3: other places. Uh and yeah, I know we are. That 616 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 3: was a fantastic program as well of corporation in the 617 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 3: in the area of culture. 618 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: Ambassador, thank you so much for making time for us 619 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: to come chet to us for this hour. I really 620 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,479 Speaker 1: appreciate it and all the best. 621 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. 622 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: It's a minute before eleven or