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Speaker 3: The Money Show with Stephen Curtis has brought to you

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Speaker 3: Structuring Agent of the South African National Treasuries eleven point

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Speaker 3: eight billion round Infrastructure and Development Finance Bond. Good evening,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the program. I'm Stephen Curtis. Eight minutes after six.

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Speaker 3: This's Friday, the sort of last serious money Friday. I

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Speaker 3: suppose trade looking a little light on the JAZ still

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Speaker 3: interesting to watch some of the trends though, and wherever

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Speaker 3: I look at the moment, people are talking about next year.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. You would expect that.

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Speaker 3: And they're all very optimistic in some of the most

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Speaker 3: extraordinary ways. We've seen a lot of optimism for South Africa.

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Speaker 3: Reuters has a big piece today about optimism for emerging

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Speaker 3: markets through part of that, of course, and all of

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Speaker 3: that looking very very positive. I realize, of course that

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Speaker 3: one year doth not as summer make to really mangle

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Speaker 3: my metaphors, but it does sort of suggest there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of positivity around. I think it's also because we've

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Speaker 3: of which we'll speak to Chris y Ellend in a moment.

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Speaker 3: You know you hear that for that name. We're going

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Speaker 3: to talk about Eskim, but it's about virtual wheeling and

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Speaker 3: Escam's made a big move on that score. You'll have

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Speaker 3: been watching the Warner Brothers Discovery issue. Netflix wants to

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Speaker 3: merge with it, Paramount wants to buy it, but what

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Speaker 3: that means for you? And then the future of DStv.

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Speaker 3: Tinnis Ferrera, the TV critic. He'll be on your radio

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Speaker 3: in about ten minutes. We'll get some market commentary with Lukmgoni.

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Speaker 3: He's been looking forward to next year as well. And

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Speaker 3: then also we'll on Friday File just talk a little

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Speaker 3: bit about holidays, how to basically avoid common mistakes, particularly

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Speaker 3: while you're traveling. Sibisum quanazis travel right. And then don't

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Speaker 3: forget the Friday Biz Blitz as well. Before seven o'clock,

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Speaker 3: Good year from you, O double one double A three

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Speaker 1: With Stephen Krudis live on ninety two point seven and

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Speaker 3: On the point of holidays, I've often wondered, how often

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Speaker 3: is it that you go online, you look at the rooms,

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Speaker 3: often is it as good as it looks? And strangely,

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Speaker 3: because of the review system on so many websites, you

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Speaker 1: Show on seven os Monday till Friday, six to a pm,

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Speaker 1: eleven after six Well a fascinating explanation of quite an

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Speaker 1: important development by Eskim and the concept of virtual wheeling

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Speaker 1: today from the energy expert christieland He says Eskim has

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Speaker 3: To build a platform that will manage the way power

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Speaker 3: In that movement of the power from producer A to

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Speaker 3: good evening. I understand what wheeling is, but you're going

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Speaker 4: Now A good evening, Steven look. The traditional wheeling generally

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Speaker 4: takes place between a large generator or independent power producer

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Speaker 4: what we call one to one wheeling using the transmission

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Speaker 3: What another way of looking at it be to suggest

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Speaker 3: to Stephen, but there are many other fliers and buyers

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Speaker 3: But it is a way of making sure that you

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Speaker 4: They're not losing revenue as a result of virtual reeling.

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Speaker 4: The beneficiary is the customer who gets to check in

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Speaker 3: Christiland, I really appreciate the explanation, Thank you very much. Indeed,

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Speaker 3: Christiland is the energy analyst, and as you know, and

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Speaker 3: all of these things. Chris, thank you. Seventeen minutes after

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Speaker 3: He understands this industry very well. Tina's good evening, Good

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Speaker 5: They actually have the biggest TV studio and film studio

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've watched my children laugh as hard at

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Speaker 5: The negotiations are extremely contentious. It is still going on.

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Speaker 3: All right, Tiness Freerra, thank you very much. Indeed, well

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Speaker 3: seven after six The money show Luck, I'm Guni's chief

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Speaker 3: a good evening the great pivot of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: I mean, central banks are finally blinking. We have a

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Speaker 2: What are you protecting for next year?

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Speaker 2: Quite optimistic Nike in the UK.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure so ninety one saying last week, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: You're not a.

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Speaker 3: you basically suggest mister Price is making the same mistake

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Speaker 7: Indeed, I think I think they are, and I think

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Speaker 3: Sure, all right, so Lo, thank you very much. Indeed,

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Speaker 3: so like I'm Gunney's the chief investment officer has been

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Speaker 3: Guello Global Fund Managers. Twenty one minute, it's just let

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Speaker 3: me start again. Twenty nine minutes now to seven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Stephen is on x at at Stephen twenty three minutes

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Speaker 3: from you on your sort of best and worst holiday surprises.

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Speaker 3: So you looked at a website it promised, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: cool Storp? And I'm from the east, from the east.

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Speaker 8: Dare you speaking of those vacations spots? Recently we went

436
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Speaker 8: to now Sprit. On the website it looked like you're

437
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Speaker 8: going to go to like a nice old vintage house. Yeah, no,

438
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Speaker 8: I think they missed took vintage for old because everything

439
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 8: was atrocious. I remember even when me and my friend

440
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 8: that I were traveling, I was like, please let me

441
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Speaker 8: write the email on Monday because I'm ready to read

442
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Speaker 8: them for fourth and then a surprising one was when

443
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 8: we went to Durban. All they did was show us

444
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 8: just like the accommodation that we were going to stay in.

445
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, it's a normal apartments. What they

446
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 8: don't tell you that you literally wake up and see

447
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 8: the beach Like if you just told me that, we

448
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 8: wouldn't have it.

449
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Speaker 2: It was the most perfect accommodation.

450
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Speaker 8: Every time we think about going back to Durban, you

451
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Speaker 8: know exactly where we're going to stay.

452
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Speaker 2: Okay.

453
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Speaker 3: I was seven two seven two one seven two. Can

454
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Speaker 3: you beat Toler Kelley's story. You've got twenty one minutes

455
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Speaker 3: to do it for the.

456
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Speaker 2: Money show, The Friday File, The Friday.

457
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Speaker 3: File eighteen minutes now to seven the time. Well, I

458
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 3: don't know what you're doing over the first of season.

459
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: I hoping that you are going away, that you're doing something.

460
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Speaker 3: Maybe you're going to a new place. I'm sure you

461
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: also have stories about holidays where things have gone slightly

462
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: wrong or very right to per see from qu Nazi

463
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Speaker 3: is a travel writers syces. So good evening, it's been

464
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 3: many years. Good to talk to you again. I think

465
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: many of us just think, look, I'm gonna pack and

466
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: we're going to go. Are there things you should think

467
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: about a little more carefully before you sort of you know,

468
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 3: get in the car and see how fast you can

469
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Speaker 3: get going.

470
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Speaker 4: Most definitely, it's so good to talk to you against Steven. Yeah,

471
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 4: you know what I say to people at this time

472
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Speaker 4: of the year, because we all of us, actually, I'm

473
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 4: gonna say most of us are last minute dot com.

474
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 4: We're all scrambling to find the perfect holiday right today,

475
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 4: on the nineteenth of December, we think that we're going

476
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 4: to get it right. It is kind of possible if

477
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 4: you have a mindset change. If you are going to

478
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 4: go to the tourist hotspots that's Jobert, k Town, Durban,

479
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: the ones that you know Cadeja as well, you are

480
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: going to really struggle. But what you want to do

481
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 4: if you haven't booked just yet and you're trying to

482
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: stretch your money, go away. The tourists are not going right. So,

483
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 4: for example, accommodation, instead of going to the city center

484
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: or the super Bowl of Cape Town, you book about

485
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 4: twenty kilometers away. That's more like the Bealvo side of things.

486
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 4: You are going to save about twenty to thirty percent

487
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: on accommodation, and accommodation is what someth Africans spend the

488
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: most on holiday, So if you're smart about where you

489
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 4: are booking, you're already going to save about twenty to

490
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: thirty percent, which is huge on holiday.

491
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Speaker 3: I would think also, maybe you give Cape Town a skip.

492
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean, we've had advice on the show going to

493
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: the interior of the country and see what you find.

494
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: I mean, I sometimes think, I mean, I get it.

495
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Speaker 3: I love the coast. I'm not so much a game person.

496
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Speaker 3: I have to tell you, I really do like to

497
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: go to the beach, and that's what I'm doing. But

498
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 3: I mean there must be lots of value in other

499
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: places too.

500
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Speaker 4: Yes, where I am right now, I'm in BLOOMPHNT day.

501
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: People don't ever think that you can go on holiday

502
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 4: in bloom Hunting because like you guys were joking around

503
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: just now right, you were saying, it's not so cool towns, right,

504
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: But these not so cool towns are where you need

505
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 4: to go to stretch your rand. You are going to

506
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 4: get so much more for your rand here in Blimpom

507
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: then than you are going to in Durban because everyone

508
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 4: is flocking to Durban, right, But I can tell you now,

509
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: the shops, the ABNBS all the institutions around travel right

510
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 4: here in Blimpant Day and other parts of the country.

511
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 4: Like you're saying, in the interior right of the country,

512
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: you are going to save so much more. We all

513
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 4: love the beach, especially people like us. I'm from Joelburgh

514
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 4: as well. Right any moment I get into the car

515
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: and I drive down to either Cape Town or Durban

516
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 4: or any other part of the country where I can

517
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 4: get to see the sea. But you don't have to

518
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: always go there, especially if you're trying to save a

519
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: bit of money. If you're off the value, go to

520
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 4: other parts of the country. Come to the Free States.

521
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, this place is absolutely beautiful. I love

522
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 4: this part of the country. Go to the likes of Clarence.

523
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 4: It's not only by the way, there are other parts

524
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Speaker 4: that you can go to. Like I'm saying, I'm in

525
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: bloom from day. People think, oh my word, what are

526
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: you going to do in Blue Front Day? They have

527
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 4: the most amazing food here. Number one. Number two, there's

528
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: a lot of free activities, believe it or not.

529
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Speaker 2: Free.

530
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Speaker 4: So I went to the National Museum of the Arts

531
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Speaker 4: here and I went to a place called I think

532
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: it's the Olive and Holt Art Museum Museum of Art,

533
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: and it's absolutely beautiful and it's free, completely free.

534
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Speaker 3: I think many of us and I'm guilty of this too.

535
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: I have a family, So you like to go to

536
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: a place you know a little bit, You meet other

537
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: people's children, you watch them grow over the years. I

538
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: know you're a lot more adventurous than our CITIZENSU but

539
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: should we should we should we actually look at going

540
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: to new places. Yes, have a coastal holiday one year,

541
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: but next year, shake it up a little bit and

542
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: go somewhere completely different.

543
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Speaker 4: That is exactly my advice to all our listeners. One year,

544
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: go to where you're comfortable.

545
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Speaker 6: Right.

546
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: My wife is exactly like you, not as adventurous, so

547
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 4: I have to kind of coax her into going to

548
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: places where we've never been.

549
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: Right.

550
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: So while you go to the coast, you know what

551
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: you expect. But then the year after that do the

552
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: savings and then you say, listen, we are literally going

553
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: to told our eyes, we're going to get a map

554
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: and we're going to put a pin and we're just

555
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: going to choose that place and we are driving there.

556
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 4: There isn't a part of South Africa that is that

557
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 4: is not interesting. I have traveled quite a bit in

558
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 4: our country, and I promise you we have the best

559
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: country in the world. But we tend to go to

560
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 4: the same places over and over. But let's mix it up, right,

561
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 4: Get that local flavor in the middle of the Northern Cape.

562
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Speaker 4: Go to that Duness house. She has a beautiful B

563
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: and B. Talk to her. She will tell you what

564
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: they do to keep busy. Don't just always go and

565
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: with the tourists.

566
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Speaker 2: Go right.

567
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: People love to Google, but Google is from people like

568
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 4: Steven who are going to tell you the same thing

569
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 4: over and over. Go to the Northern Cape. Go and

570
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: find that what people are doing in Kinderle. That's where

571
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: I'll be in a few days.

572
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: If you are going to a place that you know,

573
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: can you still shake it up?

574
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Speaker 3: But by going to new places when you're there, I

575
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: mean I don't just mean sort of new restaurants, but

576
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: I mean actually get in the car and go somewhere

577
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: completely different. You know, if you're in Cape Town, go

578
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: to Belville, go somewhere else, Go and just see.

579
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Speaker 2: What there is.

580
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Speaker 4: Most definitely, I think we are creatures of habit, right.

581
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 4: We go to Cata, like you're saying, and we go

582
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: to the same resaurant, but there's so much that you

583
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: can do. Day trips are one of the best things

584
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 4: that you can do. Like you're saying you can go

585
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 4: to balb but a lot of people don't even think

586
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: it's worth going to Balvo. But there's so much to do,

587
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: from the wine farmers to the food. I am doing

588
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 4: a food tour in Balvoe. There's a huge Ethiopian heritage

589
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: there right, So I'm going to do a walking food

590
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: tour in the next two days. And I know it's brilliant.

591
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: It's been recommended by a friend of mine who's also

592
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 4: just as adventurous. So I think, think about stuff that

593
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: you love and do the exact opposite. That's what you

594
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: need to do.

595
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: Wow Wow, Okay, well I'm not going to go and

596
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: sit in a car for two weeks and look at animals.

597
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: I mean I should, but honestly, no, you can see

598
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: a zebra. It's a failure as an animal. The camouflage,

599
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: doesn't it. I did want to ask in a slightly

600
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: different thing, and if we look at a holiday or

601
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: travel philosophically, so so travel for the sake of travel,

602
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: which is what a holiday sort of is. It's not

603
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: really about moving your physical being. I mean, obviously it is,

604
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: but it's about something else. And is it worth sometimes

605
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: having a conversation with yourself to say, what is it

606
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: that I want to do? It's not just that, well,

607
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: my company is closing down for two weeks over Christmas,

608
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: and therefore I need to go and do something. But

609
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: do I want to go to the beach because maybe

610
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: you serve as a kidney want to pick it up again?

611
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: Fine? Is it that I want to go and rest somewhere?

612
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: Actually, probably within an hour of jobig there must be

613
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, five hundred places you could go that

614
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: are very quiet? Is it because I want to go camping?

615
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of that. I'm going to be

616
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: very boring about it if we talk about it. Is there?

617
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to get to is do you need

618
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: to stop them for a minute and think what do

619
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: I want from a holiday? Do I want to be

620
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: moved in a place I've ever been to? Do I

621
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: want peace and quiet? Do I want party?

622
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: Hearty? Is that a good place to start?

623
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Speaker 4: It's a brilliant and brilliant place to start. In fact,

624
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: that's where I always start. Like what do I want

625
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: from this type of holiday? For example, sometimes I want

626
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 4: to completely switch off in no electronics. No one must

627
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 4: be able to get a hold of me for two

628
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 4: or three days. There are places where you can go

629
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: where you won't even have phone signals. So that's the

630
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: type of holiday that you're looking for. You need to

631
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 4: be able to plan for that. Maybe tell you, but

632
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: you move gone for three three days, you are fine.

633
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: You are just your stitch so off. If you don't

634
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 4: have that objective of what you want from your holiday,

635
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: after a week or two weeks, or however long it's being,

636
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 4: you are going to regret that time, right, Like, oh

637
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: my goodness, I actually wanted to be to be in

638
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 4: a quiet spot, but I ended up in a place

639
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: that was so loud. You never want to do that

640
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: on holiday. But if you have an objective, this is

641
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 4: what I want. I want a party mood for two weeks.

642
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: You can do that. You can go bar hopping for

643
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: two weeks. It's absolutely comfortable. But that's horrible if you

644
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: are looking to rest, if we are, if you've had

645
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: a really tough turning in twenty five and you really

646
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 4: want to have a mental break, you know you don't

647
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: want anyone within a one hundred kilometers of you, right

648
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: within the upplate plenty of places with South Africa like that.

649
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 4: But if you don't start there and say what do

650
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: I want from this holiday, then you are actually signing

651
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: up to yourself for disaster SISO.

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Speaker 3: Is there a place, and I know you've been to

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Speaker 3: many many parts of the is there a place or

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Speaker 3: an experience that maybe stays with you more than others,

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Speaker 3: a place that maybe surprised you the most or maybe

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Speaker 3: and I think this like a valuable holiday can give

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Speaker 3: you this, It can make you think about life in

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Speaker 3: a different way. I mean, I cannot imagine the life

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Speaker 3: of someone who goes out on a boat every day

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Speaker 3: and fishes for a living, and whenever I see that,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, that's so different to my life. Or

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Speaker 3: when I see people living in a small town where

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Speaker 3: everybody knows each other.

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Speaker 2: Again so different. I mean, part of me is envious

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Speaker 2: and part of me isn't. Is there a particular place

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Speaker 2: that you've sort of arrived or as you've left, you thought, actually,

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Speaker 2: this place is going to stay with me for some time.

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Speaker 2: And if there is a lot of money, it's not Johannesburg.

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Speaker 4: It's most definitely is my Joe bug I love Joeberg

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Speaker 4: by the definitely is so. I am a huge fan

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Speaker 4: of townships.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So in Danza, I don't know this up until I

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Speaker 4: think two years ago. I went river rafting in the

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Speaker 4: middle of Danzana. There is a guy who is a

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Speaker 4: guide in danzan and you do kayaking, you do river

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Speaker 4: rafting in Tanzana. I will never forget that because I've

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Speaker 4: done kayaking and river rafting in other parts of the

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Speaker 4: world and in South Africa. But when I got to

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Speaker 4: do it in Dantown, I thought, this is amazing. I'm

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Speaker 4: here in the middle of the Eastern Cape and I'm

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Speaker 4: doing kayaking. That will always always stay with me.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I mean I think of experiences like that. I

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Speaker 3: was in a place over the weekend this last weekend,

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Speaker 3: I mean less than two hours away from joe Burg.

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Speaker 3: I was on my bicycle and they were for giraffe. Surely,

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Speaker 3: at some point the rest of the world is going

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Speaker 3: to wake up to this and we're going to make

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Speaker 3: an absolute fortune when that happens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope the rest of the world really does

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Speaker 4: wake up to that. And my prayer always is let's

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Speaker 4: leave the hot spots alone. They don't need us, they

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Speaker 4: don't need our money, but the rest of the country does.

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Speaker 4: Like where you were two hours outside of Jobert, you

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Speaker 4: don't even have to drive that far outside of Joberg

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Speaker 4: to these magical places. I'm a cyclist myself. I love

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Speaker 4: my mountain bike because it allows me to be able

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Speaker 4: to soak things in. You know, the environment where I'm in,

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Speaker 4: so to be able to cycle two hours outside of

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Speaker 4: Jobert is magical. The air is clean, it's green, it's

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Speaker 4: just lush. And the rest of the world, I can

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Speaker 4: tell you now you get more foreigners coming into South

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Speaker 4: Africa to do those types of activities down South Africans

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Speaker 4: because again South Africans tend to go to these tourist hospots.

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Speaker 4: We are comfortable with delban caped on Jobert, but we

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Speaker 4: don't want to kind of get out there and say, listen,

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Speaker 4: what else can I do? This beautiful advast country of

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Speaker 4: hours where have I not been? Let me go to

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Speaker 4: that dorty.

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Speaker 3: So this is so wonderful to talk to you again,

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Sisum Quanazi is a travel writer.

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Speaker 3: As you can hear five minutes now to seven.

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Speaker 1: Stephen, taking your calls on oh one one three oh seven.

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Speaker 3: Two sign for the Friday biz Blitz on The Money

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Speaker 3: Show this Friday night.

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Speaker 2: You know how it works. We put out a question.

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Speaker 3: You call us on A double one double A three

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Speaker 3: oh seven O two two one four four six, five

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Speaker 3: six seven. If you get it right, we move on

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Speaker 3: to the next question. If you get it wrong, we

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Speaker 3: move on to the next caller. Okay, first question on

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Speaker 3: the Friday bis Blitz. Which Major Hollywood Studios board has

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Speaker 3: told shareholders to reject an offer because it says the

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Speaker 3: people who've made the offer are lying. Which Major Hollywood

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Speaker 3: Studios board has told shareholders to reject an offer because

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Speaker 3: it says the people who've made that offer are lying.

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Speaker 3: Oh double one double A three oh seven O two

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Speaker 3: O two one four four six, five six seven.

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Speaker 6: The Money Show, Stephen Crutez is brought to you by

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Speaker 6: ABSIR c IB Proud Sole Leader Ranger and Infrastructure Finance

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Speaker 6: Structuring Agent of the South African National Treasuries eleven point

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Speaker 6: eight billion RAD Infrastructure and Development Finance Bond.

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Speaker 5: The Money Show Frida eight bus.

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Speaker 3: List double ONEA A three oh seven two two one

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Speaker 3: four four six o five six seven. First question, which

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Speaker 3: major Hollywood studios board has told shareholders to reject an

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Speaker 3: offer because it says the people who've made the offer

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Speaker 3: are lying. Let's start with Tuble and pro Tier Glenn Tabor. Hi,

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Speaker 3: do you know the answer?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I know the answer.

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Speaker 2: What is it? Double h It's well abroad.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it to you Warner Brothers Discovery. Yes

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Speaker 3: it is Okay, okay, double, you're ready for the second question?

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 3: What is the name of the person who has just

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Speaker 3: been confirmed as the new US ambassador to South Africa?

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Speaker 3: Do you know who the new American ambassador is who

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Speaker 3: was confirmed by the Senate this week?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: My gosh, and I saw your speech as sometimes to

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Speaker 4: their online double Oh oh oh gosh, I'm blank?

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Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, double, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Mark and Randberg has just dropped the line there, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: but O double one double eight, three, seven, two and

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Speaker 3: two one four for six five sixty seven. Second question,

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Speaker 3: let's a second question on the Money Show tonight. What

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Speaker 3: is the name of the person who's just been confirmed

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Speaker 3: to the new US ambassador? Let's try Mark and Randberg.

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Speaker 3: There you are, Mark, do you know the answer?

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Speaker 7: That's why I hang up?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Mark, thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks Mark. The

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Speaker 2: name of the person.

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Speaker 3: Recording, he's being very generous about it. The name of

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Speaker 3: the person who's just been confirmed as the new US

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Speaker 3: ambassador to South Africa Mandler rose Bank. Mindla, I think

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Speaker 3: we've spoken before. Good evening, I blind Bonzo it is.

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Speaker 2: It's Leo Brent Bozel. The third I'm not sure where

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Speaker 2: the third comes from.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Next question, which major twenty billion rand coastal development

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Speaker 3: is being planned near Ballito? It features a marina, residential

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Speaker 3: estates and commercial space. We spoke to them last night, Mandla. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: Just to the question, what is the name of the

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Speaker 3: major twenty billion rand coastal development that's been planned near

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Speaker 3: Bellito features a marina, residential estates and commercial space.

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Speaker 2: It's gays Ada in North coast, Oh, Mandla?

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Speaker 4: Would that be?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Not kid there, I know.

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Speaker 2: Not what.

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Speaker 5: Any kid?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: No, Mindla, sorry, Mindla. But what is the name of

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Speaker 3: that major coastal development that's been planned near Belito? Double one,

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Speaker 3: double A three seven oh two two one four four

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Speaker 3: six and fast six seven.

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Speaker 2: Mark from Ramberg you think you know this one?

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Speaker 4: I think it's a club made No.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Mark, I'm hoping that tomorrow is kind of to you. Mark. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: no thanks though, Mark on the line from Ramberg.

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Speaker 3: The answer, I'm afraid is the Zimbali Marina and state development.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, it's seven