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Speaker 1: The Stormers are back in town licking wounds which were

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Speaker 1: and Champions Cup season, but not the match in Toulon.

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Speaker 1: Coach John Dobson joins us now, John.

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Speaker 2: Hello, hi John.

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Speaker 1: You can't change the result. You just have to deal

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Speaker 1: the cliche, you have to take the learnings you can

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Speaker 1: from it. And you know the negatives and the positives,

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Speaker 1: and they were considerably more positives than negatives in that

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Speaker 1: match against Toulon in Toulon, And so what do you do?

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Speaker 1: How do you do it to to get the mind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is, as we discussed, in such an important game.

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Speaker 2: And I think what we did will always provide some

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Speaker 2: to regroup, and I think it was massively productive. You know,

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Speaker 2: which is important because I think they were confidence that

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Speaker 2: And then on Monday we had a great ball review

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Speaker 2: faults because the narrative was very strongly and rightfully around

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Speaker 2: and the mistakes there like you know, to defend in

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Speaker 2: the story was we got, which gives us something to

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Speaker 2: And then what we could gets to them on Monday

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Speaker 2: was this opportunity and you know, the Cloud having a

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Speaker 2: probably finished first, you know. And if you think that

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Speaker 2: which is a massive game and takes up a serious

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Speaker 2: hopefully at Cape Town. So it's about us taking the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: So we were able to get that message and have

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Speaker 2: And I think that exactly that's a surprise. Mean that's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that they were shattered, tears in the

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Speaker 1: making a report about Christopher Ridley's performance, it's not going

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, a lot of it is sort of our

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Speaker 2: But no, and I'm really frustrated because the report they

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, now they are four games left in the you

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Speaker 2: But I just think that our roster's getting this confidence.

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Speaker 2: It's got a nice feeling. The optunity is entirely within

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Speaker 1: And the announcement was made yesterday and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: but you know, the team stuff will only start again

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Speaker 1: next week and then that game at Connacht at the

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Speaker 1: dh Old Stadium on Saturday next week, and I hope

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Speaker 1: there's a very very big crowd. They deserve it, they

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Speaker 1: really really do