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Speaker 1: Right, it is time to talk cars and Ernest pages

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Speaker 1: going to be standing in for Ernest, tackling your motoring

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Speaker 1: at Cape Talk dot co dotzed. It's great to have

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Speaker 1: you back with us again, Michael, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Pepa, good ofstening to you and the listener.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward and I've.

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Speaker 1: Got loads of questions already coming in Michael, but before

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Speaker 1: we tackle any questions, I really want to chat to

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Speaker 1: you about the new video segment that you've been working

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Speaker 1: on with Ernest for the the All Things Motoring platform,

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Speaker 1: Because you've done something interesting in two respects.

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Speaker 3: You've put a used car up against a new car

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Speaker 1: And the second thing that intrigues me is that it's

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Speaker 1: two models that are huge favorites among our listeners, in

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Speaker 1: particular the VW Polo and the Suzuki Swift. Tell us

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Speaker 1: and what you were looking at.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. So we've got access to the incredible facility

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Speaker 2: that is the Swat Corps Raceway in Pretoria. Now I

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Speaker 2: in beautiful but Spat Corps Raceway just west of Pratoria

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Speaker 2: is a leading circuit. You've given us access to the facility.

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Speaker 2: So once a month we're going to be taking cars

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Speaker 2: after sponsored by dealerships or OEMs and going to compare them. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: say you spoke about what we did BW Polo Vivo

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you say you put new versus used, did

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Speaker 1: you do that with with with two different versions of

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Speaker 3: Or was one a new cant one was a used car?

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Speaker 3: How did it work?

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Speaker 2: So in this particular Kate essay, both were brand new,

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're looking to showkay. So it's going

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Speaker 2: to be out on YouTube within five days from now.

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Speaker 2: Ernest is at homebody doing editing. That's why it can't be.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what other story told you. I'm joking,

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Speaker 2: but I just really always appreciate the opportunity and anyone listening, Papa,

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Speaker 2: Ernest at any time. This is what we are here for.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, let's talk a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: what you found in this particular exercise, Michael, because I

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Speaker 3: To go and view in detail what you found.

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Speaker 1: Where will listeners be able to see that and be

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Five Saturday. If you have latest on YouTube

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Speaker 1: The perennial question around small BUCkies in South Africa. Oh dear,

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Speaker 1: this one asks, I'd like to know why there are

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Speaker 1: buy as a replacement. Now, Michael, this question comes up

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Speaker 1: But you your group is simply not big enough, is

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Speaker 2: brand that is Photon. They've got something called the Photon

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Speaker 2: it's the right pricing. And I say again respectfully, Photon Truck. Mate,

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Speaker 2: And a lot of listeners will say, wow, man, I

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Speaker 3: It is out there.

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Speaker 1: So look beyond the brands that you sort of know

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Speaker 1: be available at the price what you wanted. That's really

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Speaker 1: helpful information. Dan on the WhatsApp line would like to

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Speaker 1: know your thoughts on the Cherry t go four pro auto.

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Speaker 2: Very very good and I will again always give clarification.

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Speaker 2: Cherry is one brand that has now been in South

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Speaker 2: nothing that is not already available. Wait, let others be

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Speaker 2: answer to the question, Cherry Ti Go four excellent vehicle,

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Speaker 2: doing well and deservedly so buy it with your eyes

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Speaker 1: Thanks for that. Just for anybody coming in midway, you'll

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Speaker 1: Ernest is hard at work editing that video package which

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Speaker 1: owner of Change Cars dot co dotz taking your motor

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Speaker 1: in questions. Now let's circle back to the entry level

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Speaker 1: Does such a unicorn exist?

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Speaker 2: Michael, very very difficult. The beautiful thing is any car

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Speaker 2: So what I'm saying you could take an eight nine

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Speaker 2: And you'll notice I'm not mentioning the Chinese brands because

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Speaker 1: Again, Okay, that's an interesting and very helpful practical figure

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Speaker 2: Said, so just remember Perpae and again always to put

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Speaker 3: I'm driving one right now. You'll find it when I

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Speaker 3: Off, I'm not selling it anytime soon, so don't worry

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Speaker 2: But you are proving in a positive way the point

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Speaker 3: The way that car's driving.

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Speaker 1: For me touch would I'll be driving it for another

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Speaker 1: ten years still, Michael, but watch this space.

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Speaker 2: It applies to BMW, MASSDS, Audi, etc. A VW Caddy

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Speaker 2: But you rather have a ten year old car with

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Speaker 1: Okay, important important to point that, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: So interesting. I haven't and I raally haven't, But today

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Speaker 2: soulful Ernest, we'll answer that in great detail next week.

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Speaker 2: If these rumors about it take it that it's coming.

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Speaker 2: What would be amazing if they did bring that in.

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Speaker 2: Citron is a very low festrous car. If you've got

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Speaker 1: for us, and we'll put that. Okay, we'll put that

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Speaker 3: Michael. We must wrap there, but thank you so so much.

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Speaker 1: Always great to have you on the show, and as

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Speaker 1: always you've been full of helpful, really practical information.

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Speaker 3: It's greatly appreciated.

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Speaker 2: It's feelings on mutual Thank you so much, a bit

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Speaker 2: to all the listeners and to you.

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Speaker 1: Safe driving please. Michael Pursult, owner of change cars dot co,

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Speaker 1: dotzed a,