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Speaker 1: Something that quote my attention late Wednesday night Thursday morning,

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Speaker 1: a dramatic intervention in lent care in Mitchell's playing that's

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Speaker 1: sparking a debate after Drylyne James MPU sits on the

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Speaker 1: Portfolio Committee on Police. She's also the Action Essay Western

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Speaker 1: Cape chairperson. She live streamed arrayed on a home where

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Speaker 1: six vulnerable children were removed from an alleged neglect, an

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Speaker 1: alleged pelo possey. A pelo pozzy is a place where

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Speaker 1: people go and consume drugs and while the children I

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Speaker 1: believe are now in alternative care. The operation has had

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Speaker 1: mixed reaction. Has been praised by some as a decisive

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Speaker 1: action by Derrelyne James, but others criticizing as saying it's reckless,

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Speaker 1: potentially unlawful, but also to what end? For whose game?

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Speaker 1: Derrilyn James just recently been appointed chairperson of Action s A.

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Speaker 1: We are in an election, yeah, she enjoins me. Now

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Speaker 1: the line, drenth In, really appreciate your time. I'm familiar

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Speaker 1: of your activism in your hometown of Eldorado Park, where

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Speaker 1: you would sit on camping chairs outside of drug dends

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Speaker 1: to bring awareness. I'm very familiar, that that is something

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Speaker 1: that you've been doing for years now, and we congratulated

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Speaker 1: and bringing attention to the scourge of substances and gangsterism.

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Speaker 1: But in this context, in Mitchell's plain Inlenta here, how

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Speaker 1: sure you this house that you went to the were

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Speaker 1: in fact neglected children, that it was in fact a

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Speaker 1: pala possi, that this is where a place where they

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Speaker 1: were children being neglected.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I think people

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Speaker 2: need to understand. This was not the first time I

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Speaker 2: was doing this. I usually received steposts before active on

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Speaker 2: these to posts. I usually verify, I ask for pictures

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Speaker 2: of the Eartha house. We monitor the place. We make

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Speaker 2: sure that you know what indeed, this is not a

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Speaker 2: trap that we are being led to. The first thing

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Speaker 2: we did I called the station commander, got the tip

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Speaker 2: off a couple of days ago, then called the station commander,

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Speaker 2: alerted her to the fact that they were kids. Also

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Speaker 2: with the many cases that we've been receiving, our children

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Speaker 2: not at school, our children being neglected, you know, I said,

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Speaker 2: you know what I actually want to I haven't done

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Speaker 2: this under Western Cape. I haven't done this initials playing

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Speaker 2: this is the order of the day, where kids are

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Speaker 2: going without food, where kids aren't at school. I want

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Speaker 2: to send a strong message to the entire community. So

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Speaker 2: I think when we do this, I want to go live,

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Speaker 2: and I actually want to alert people before the time

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Speaker 2: to log on at seven o'clock so that everyone can

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Speaker 2: watch and we can have sort of an intentional awareness about.

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Speaker 1: That, and maybe we can talk about that about this

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Speaker 1: age of social media and politicians. You could very well

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Speaker 1: be doing the right thing, but men, you could argue, well,

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Speaker 1: the wrong way or maybe even for the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 2: Dearlie, you know what, I'm actually sitting this morning, and

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm actually sick and tired of all of us.

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Speaker 2: I'm only in my convictions. I said that, yes, you

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Speaker 2: know what, we could have handled it in a better

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Speaker 2: way in terms of the children's faces on the live.

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Speaker 2: I cannot go back and alter this live. But you

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Speaker 2: know what, if I have to do this again, what

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Speaker 2: the mistakes that I've made, I will do it again.

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Speaker 2: The state that I found those children in I am

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Speaker 2: pleased this morning when I wake up that those children

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Speaker 2: I am a place of safety. They're not sitting with

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Speaker 2: old men drugging. You know, God knows what could have

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Speaker 2: happened to these children over the years. So if I

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Speaker 2: have to make this mistake over again for the sake

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Speaker 2: of saving these children, I will do it again.

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Speaker 1: Whose house is it from the video that I saw?

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Speaker 1: If I missed it, then I apologize. But I didn't

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Speaker 1: see people consuming drugs. What I saw was a house

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Speaker 1: where I predominantly heard the voices of women speak. There

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Speaker 1: was commentary on the state of the home, laundry lying everywhere.

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Speaker 1: The question around whether there's water in the taps, I

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Speaker 1: would also argue that does not necessarily mean a state

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Speaker 1: of individual neglect. That is simply the state of the

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Speaker 1: very desperate. Whereas in which many many people on the

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Speaker 1: Cape flatsloves. Not having water in the tap isn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: a moral blight on the individual who owns us. I

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Speaker 2: No, that is not true. When you come across Anny Lounge,

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Speaker 2: when you have these houses. This is why I say,

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Speaker 2: if you have the experience, there's no water and there's

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Speaker 2: no light because it's been stolen. So the copper on

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Speaker 2: the copper taps have been stolen off by the jewsers

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Speaker 2: in exchange for drugs. I can already tell you what

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Speaker 2: I enter it. There's gonna be no water because all

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Speaker 2: be no light. I tar the team. You need tortures

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Speaker 2: because all the wiring out of the ceiling will be gone,

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Speaker 2: Those are standard things. There will be no food you're

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Speaker 1: No food in a cupboard is not a moral blight.

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Speaker 1: It is the sake. It is the fate of many,

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, but remember now we are led

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Speaker 2: by the Children's at AXT. Thirty five of two thousand

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Speaker 2: social guards. And this is why I ask if those

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Speaker 2: children have birth certificates. Those children aren't even registered again,

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Speaker 2: in violation of the Children's Act. The Children's Act is

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Speaker 2: sclear and speaks to the fact that children must grow

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Speaker 2: up in a dignified manner. And if children don't have

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Speaker 2: access to food, it is then the illness of the

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Speaker 2: Department of Social Development as the custodians of the Children's

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Speaker 2: Act to ensure that those children are provided for. It

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Speaker 2: is in our responsibility as adults, as neighbors, as teachers

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Speaker 2: to report cases where children are possibly being neglected and

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Speaker 2: step in. So when I stepped in, I ensured I

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Speaker 1: Where are the children now?

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Speaker 2: The children are in a place of safety. I have

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Speaker 2: followed up with the Department of Social Development, and it

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Speaker 2: is not to keep them in the system. It is

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Speaker 2: a temporary place of safety so that we can work

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Speaker 1: Family and we are their families. Were their families with

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Speaker 2: It was granny's, it was mothers, it was fathers. The

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Speaker 2: sort of ascertain where are the parents, you know, who's

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Speaker 1: Derrelne James actually a MP again, the right thing to

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Speaker 1: But also poverty isn't a moral blight on an individual.

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Speaker 1: It is I think primarily the state's responsibility to provide

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Speaker 1: listen to Evans, founder of Police Abazi bet to Woman Center,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, listen to your thoughts on the public debate

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Speaker 1: right now of someone like dere Lyne's public positioning as

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Speaker 3: Good morning, left hand, Good morning empty James and everybody else.

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Speaker 3: I want to start off by saying to the MP

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Speaker 3: that now what Now the children has removed, the house

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Speaker 3: is exposed, the adults is exposed. What are you going

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Speaker 3: to do in terms of the intervention for the adults

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Speaker 3: because children in temporary safety needs to go somewhere. And

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Speaker 3: I would have wanted to see that you was side

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Speaker 3: by side with the Department of Social Development, because the

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Speaker 3: Department of Social Development remains the custodian government agency to

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Speaker 3: the protection of children. And then the question that I

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Speaker 3: found the women in the home, and yes they were

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Speaker 3: in a condition of complete poverty, there were substance abuse,

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Speaker 3: But have we ever asked the question around the women

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Speaker 3: I want to say to the listeners this is not

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Speaker 3: want to quotion the politicians because we in this silly

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Speaker 3: the issues of the lg TBQR A plus and the

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Speaker 3: elderly is exploited for votes. When have we lost the humanity,

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Speaker 3: the integrity, and the dignity in what we do.

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Speaker 1: Listen, let me take it away from politics. Let's just

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Speaker 1: say Lesser Cavity is driving on marine drive. He sees

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Speaker 1: harsh reality of her world. What does our policy, our regulation,

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Speaker 1: our laws say of the most one intentioned person. But

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Speaker 1: when it comes to removing a vulnerable child from their primary.

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Speaker 3: Caregiver LISTI kivi it. You have no right to step

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Speaker 3: in and number one, infringe the person's human rights and

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Speaker 3: dignity to be standing on that corner. You have every

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Speaker 3: right to be concerned, and thank you for being concerned,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for looking out for the child. But you're

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Speaker 3: goal is to engage. For the Department of Social Development,

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Speaker 3: go and ask the questions in a dignifying and a

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Speaker 3: I'm still to ask because social media never forgets ten, fifteen,

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Speaker 3: twenty years that Facebook will pop up again. When those

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Speaker 3: They were taken away from the only foundation, even if

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Speaker 3: the foundation was that it is, And thank you for

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Speaker 3: the intervention, but it could have been done bitter and

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Speaker 3: coming back listed to the woman on the street. It

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Speaker 3: is all of us in our communities that needs to

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Speaker 3: take this fiducially responsibility to protect families and to safeguard

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Speaker 3: do it. And I don't know what the intention was,

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Speaker 3: or what the example was, or why it was filmed,

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Speaker 3: but my question remains, how are we going to go

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Speaker 3: back to that family number one to apologize and number

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Speaker 3: two to do intervention? Because the system needs to ensure

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Speaker 3: the water in the taps, The system needs to ensure

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Speaker 3: that there are things like the under Hardship grant but

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Speaker 3: can be access. The system has to ensure that there's

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Speaker 3: a follow up with the women in particular, and I'm

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Speaker 3: advertating for the women in that home, including the men.

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Speaker 3: What are we now doing after all of this was filmed,

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Speaker 3: the children was taken away, but now.

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Speaker 1: L Evans really appreciate your time and your concern found

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Speaker 1: a member of police Fuzzy Beta Woman Center. Is there

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Speaker 1: something like doing the right thing? It's the right thing

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Speaker 1: to do, but maybe doing it in the wrong way.

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