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Speaker 1: Seven seasons.

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Speaker 2: The weekend breakfast Film and TV.

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Speaker 3: It's nine min us before eight oh, Clark, time for

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Speaker 3: us to talk film and TV. Now, you may remember

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Speaker 3: last week one of the big stories coming out of

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Speaker 3: local film and TV was the story that show Max,

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Speaker 3: the streaming service launched by Multi Choice a few years ago,

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Speaker 3: would be on its way out, its new owner, Canal

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Speaker 3: Plus making the decision that the very expensive streaming service

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Speaker 3: that was costing them were costing Multi Choice billions of rands,

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Speaker 3: would be on its way out soon, so those operations

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Speaker 3: would be wrapped up. But then there were questions about

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Speaker 3: so what will replace show Max, particularly in this very

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Speaker 3: competitive market, and this week we got an indication of

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Speaker 3: what that might be and tell us a little bit

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Speaker 3: more on that development. We joined on the line by

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Speaker 3: independent TV and film critic as well as journalist Tennis

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Speaker 3: Ferrera joins us this morning. Tennis, A very good morning

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Speaker 3: to you. As always a great.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 3: So last week I saw the email first before the

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Speaker 3: news broke show Max is on its way out. We

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Speaker 3: got a sense of the numbers. It's been very very

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Speaker 3: expensive to run. Then there were questions, but what would

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Speaker 3: replace show max if anything, and this week we got

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Speaker 3: an answer to that.

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Speaker 1: So what do we know?

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Speaker 2: Let me just say I'm sleep deprived. And if anybody

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Speaker 2: from the National Form and Video Foundation or the SAFTAs

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Speaker 2: are listening, you really need to fix that really shameful

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Speaker 2: embarrassment thing that we had to watch last night called

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Speaker 2: the nineteenth Safter's Award. It was bad. No, so do

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Speaker 2: your question?

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Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait, before we started to talk about come out.

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Speaker 3: Plus you can't leave it at that. What happened of course,

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Speaker 3: so we didn't have the last year there was a delay,

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Speaker 3: so this is technically the twenty twenty five safters that

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Speaker 3: are now happening. Yes, and elm good Lov nine four

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Speaker 3: seven was one of the hosts along on Sip from Kanazi.

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Speaker 1: It looked like it was all glitz and glam. What

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Speaker 1: went wrong?

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Speaker 2: Yes, but you have to watch it you have to

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Speaker 2: watch the thing that ran over by almost an hour,

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Speaker 2: ended a few minutes before midnight at sound issues. Errors,

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Speaker 2: it's errors, it's things that can be fixed that's not

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Speaker 2: done right. Lifetime Achievement winner who's like really almost like

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Speaker 2: pulled off the stage. Other people who have the stage

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Speaker 2: like switched off because they speak too long, it just

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Speaker 2: really looks bad and empty seats and all of the

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Speaker 2: usual stuff like really it's tonight will be the Oscars,

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Speaker 2: and then the stark contrast between how our stuff looks

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Speaker 2: and how overseas looks. And I'm just like, it really

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Speaker 2: is a mirror of a troubled industry in crisis. And

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Speaker 2: if we can't do something live like an award show,

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Speaker 2: then let's not do it.

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Speaker 3: So do it as like a pre record where you

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Speaker 3: can edit out the issues, fix the sound, etc. But

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Speaker 3: lef TV is a difficult business. It's a tough business,

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Speaker 3: and I imagine for what that big it does require expertise.

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Speaker 2: I think even schools, basic schools. If you have a

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Speaker 2: sports event and then there was a problem, there is

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Speaker 2: obviously from the school a meeting that goes, we didn't

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Speaker 2: have enough parking, How can we fix that? Next year?

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Speaker 2: We had a fight between the parents, How can we

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Speaker 2: eliminate that next year? More security or this stuff? Why

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Speaker 2: is the softest year after year not improving. It's not

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Speaker 2: a good look. It's not a good mirror that it

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Speaker 2: helped holds up to our industry. Then there's all of

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Speaker 2: these canceled shows that wins Awards. I want to ask,

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Speaker 2: where's the black actors? Where are the black films? Why

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Speaker 2: do we get an insert about Africans is one hundred?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't fit in the sting and afric constant one

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Speaker 2: hundred last year? What's going on behind the scenes that

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Speaker 2: we as viewers get to watch this embarrassment for three

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Speaker 2: four hours?

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Speaker 1: Yikes?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so safter is not great, but also seemingly things

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Speaker 3: not great at Multi Choice. But we now have a

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Speaker 3: little bit of information on what the future of certainly

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Speaker 1: Show Mats is on its way out, what's on its

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Speaker 1: way in?

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Speaker 2: So can ol Plas released their first full year results

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Speaker 2: this past week and it's their first full year results

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Speaker 2: after they took over Multi Choice in September. So I

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Speaker 2: of Showmas. They couldn't give a specific date yet, so

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Speaker 2: in the meantime they whenever. They then finally pulled the

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Speaker 2: plug on show Mats, which would be soon. All that

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Speaker 2: content will for the time being, we moved to DUCTV

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Speaker 2: have the plan. They already have a partnership with Netflix

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Speaker 2: in the rest of Francophone Africa, the French speaking countries,

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Speaker 2: and they are looking to extend that partnership. So at

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Speaker 2: the moment, if you are a can help to subscriber

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Speaker 2: extend that to English speaking Africa as well. They're also

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Speaker 2: going to simplify the DStv packages. I don't know yet how,

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Speaker 2: and they say less brands, less confusion, more simplicity, cheaper

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Speaker 2: packages as well as cheaper the coders to all try

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Speaker 2: and lift the subscriber number they lost. Multi Choice lost

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Speaker 2: another five hundred thousand ESTV subscribers.

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Speaker 1: And what does that cost?

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're losing half a million subscribers, I

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Speaker 3: imagine there's a number.

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Speaker 1: Do we know what that number is? What does that

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Speaker 2: I need to go and look up by country off

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Speaker 2: the top of my head. But what they literally said

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Speaker 2: about show Max is that it would have destroyed Multi

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Speaker 2: there really was no other option than to pull the

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Speaker 3: Right And so also one of the things we spoke

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Speaker 3: Show Mac's originals there was so there was some local

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Speaker 3: content on the streaming platform, and you were saying, there's

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Speaker 1: Do we know anything about those productions?

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Speaker 2: I ask think specifically, what will they do to Zulu?

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Speaker 2: What will they do to Afrikaans? Is the volume the

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Speaker 2: mass of if you count the hours, if that's going

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Speaker 2: now told me they promised there's not going to be reductions. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Show Macs because it existed, had a need for more

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Speaker 2: have can help loerse. I don't see how you're going

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Speaker 2: for the linear channels, we won't see like such a

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Speaker 2: sharp reduction, but logic dictates that they must be fewer

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Speaker 3: Sounds as though that is the other thing that is

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Speaker 3: I guess too much of at the moment potentially is

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Speaker 3: too many brands, and so they may be the possibility

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Speaker 1: What do we know about that?

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Speaker 2: Good question? I asked them, what's the future m NET

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Speaker 2: We have things like DSDV, Supersport, all of these linear channels.

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Speaker 2: I asked them what's the future of m NET, DStv supersport,

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Speaker 2: and they said, we love supersport.

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Speaker 3: So supersport stays, but uestions about potentially gating it too

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Speaker 3: interesting Times ahead, all right, Tennis is always wonderful chatting

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Speaker 3: to you. I hope you get some rest after staying

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Speaker 3: up for the Serfters, thank.

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Speaker 1: You for waking up for us.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: That's independent TV and film critic as well as entertainment

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Speaker 3: journalists Tennis Ferrera speaking to us this morning. And of

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Speaker 3: course if you caught the Sufters, I'd love to share

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Speaker 3: your thoughts. They aid on SABC two yesterday. Did you

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Speaker 3: enjoy the show?

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Speaker 1: Which parts did you like? Not like?

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Speaker 3: Let us know, I know seventy two seven two one

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Speaker 3: Eric Fanvik. He's a plant taxonomist. He's a research Professor

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Speaker 3: of Indigenous Plant Use at UJ. He is our profile guest,

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Speaker 3: it's eight o'clock, time for your latest eyewitness news