WEBVTT - GNU continued woes

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<v Speaker 1>Fourteen minutes past five. Well, as the two largest parties

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<v Speaker 1>in the Government of National Unity, the ANC and the DA,

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<v Speaker 1>slug it out in public, with threats passing back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth and criticism of each other's conduct out there in abundance,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to forget that there are actually other parties

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<v Speaker 1>that are involved in South Africa's current governing arrangement.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier today, UDM leader Bantu Holomisa had some things to

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<v Speaker 1>say about his take on all of this and his

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<v Speaker 1>calling as a understand it for the GNU as a

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<v Speaker 1>whole to meet and try and talk these things out.

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<v Speaker 1>We thought it's important to start getting the perspective of

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<v Speaker 1>some other parties as well, and for that purpose we

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to seven zero two drive Marca Schuleh Ghana, whose

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<v Speaker 1>chief organized and caucus whip for the party, Rise m Zanzi,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Ghana, welcome and thanks very much for giving us

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<v Speaker 1>your time. How concerned are you the potential fallout for

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<v Speaker 1>the larger g and U project of the d A

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<v Speaker 1>A n C battle.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much, John, and good afternoon to you and

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<v Speaker 2>so No two listeners. I'm not overly concerned. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is, there's there's a government in in South Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>and there will be a government tomorrow and the day after.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the important thing is to ensure that those

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<v Speaker 2>that I interrupted with the responsibility to lead in government

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<v Speaker 2>must continue to do so. I think some of these

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<v Speaker 2>pronouncements are just by vitubes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you, you and your colleagues at various times

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<v Speaker 1>will interact with leadership from both parties on all sides.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the heat amplified by you know, possibly by the

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<v Speaker 1>media and and but also at the very least by

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of circumstance on the of the argument. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a sense that by and large the

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<v Speaker 1>GNU is simply getting on with its work.

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<v Speaker 2>At a lot a lot of parties and ourselves and

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<v Speaker 2>the leaders are getting on with the task of governing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes when they these pronouncements, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>might give a semblance that maybe things have come to

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<v Speaker 2>a hold. There's nothing that has come to a hold.

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<v Speaker 2>Things are proceeding. Obviously. It's it's understandable that when they

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<v Speaker 2>is in this particular instance, that the g will be

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<v Speaker 2>disappointed in terms of the dismissile of one of the

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<v Speaker 2>deputy ministers. And it's it's a it's a It's a

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<v Speaker 2>normal stake to be disappointed, but I think the men

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<v Speaker 2>in which we these methods are handled, and it's something

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<v Speaker 2>that we ourselves as rights have continuously raised in the

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<v Speaker 2>forums of the GNU, the PA and how the Leaders

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<v Speaker 2>Forum that you know, yes, there would be moments that

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<v Speaker 2>we are not satisfied, we are disappointed as partners, but

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<v Speaker 2>we need to find a better way of handling these

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<v Speaker 2>metals without having to create an all times public spectacle.

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<v Speaker 1>How serious is this issue though, because on the one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>we can go back and forth on what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>former Deputy Minister Andrew Whitfield. But the larger question, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's being asked not just by people in the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Alliance or indeed people in any of the political parties,

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<v Speaker 1>is if the President is indeed dealing with members of

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<v Speaker 1>the executive who have gone against the code and in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways have undermined the responsibility and trusted with them,

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<v Speaker 1>it is rather odd that no action is being taken.

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<v Speaker 1>It would seem against higher education. Minister No Bushlet and Cabane.

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<v Speaker 1>How serious do you think that seeming contray addiction is?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think it's one of those issues that

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<v Speaker 2>in a in a forum of the parties or the

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<v Speaker 2>parties in the in the GENU needs to be to

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<v Speaker 2>be dealt with at that level. It's not helped when

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<v Speaker 2>individual members of within the GENU are now almost going

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<v Speaker 2>on a on a public campaign on on some of

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<v Speaker 2>these methods, because you need to you need to handle

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<v Speaker 2>these methods properly. I mean obvious. One cannot dictate our

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<v Speaker 2>political parties want to increase their political fortunes. Maybe this

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<v Speaker 2>is how they think they need to do things. But

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<v Speaker 2>from ourselves and Livensiss and having committed ourselves to the

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<v Speaker 2>Government of National Unity, we believe that some of these

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<v Speaker 2>metals are better handled away from the from the public,

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<v Speaker 2>and we need to be able to to discuss those

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<v Speaker 2>issues as you had called that earlier. That the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of the UTM has called for for all the parties

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<v Speaker 2>in the GENU to have that conversation. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the forum where we need to discuss it. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>these public pronouncements have very unhelpful and unnecessary, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just the deduction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so, mister Ganne, you clearly critical without naming them

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<v Speaker 1>as the way the DA has gone about it, what

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<v Speaker 1>would rise some Zancis view be on the axing of

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<v Speaker 1>the former Deputy Minister Andrew Whitfield. I mean, it's clearly

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<v Speaker 1>it is within the president's gift to take that step.

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<v Speaker 1>But were us raising Zanzi satisfied with the explanations offered

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<v Speaker 1>that he was being fired four months after he took

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<v Speaker 1>a trip that was not authorized.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things that we must kind of

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<v Speaker 2>including when we discuss these matters now, is to accept

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<v Speaker 2>that one is I think last week has happened. What

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<v Speaker 2>we need to be focusing on. It's how do we

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<v Speaker 2>move on from me? You know, from henceforth, how do

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<v Speaker 2>how do we move forward? So it will not be

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<v Speaker 2>at least for me, not overly beneficial to overly analyze

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<v Speaker 2>the actions of the president.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Ghana put it to you that you're avoiding the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>If we took that stance on everything of political consequence

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<v Speaker 1>in South Africa, that everything in the past is in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, I think it would be fair to say

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<v Speaker 1>we'd miss out a lot. I think it's also fair

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<v Speaker 1>to say that Rhizom Zanzi does not adopt that consistently

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<v Speaker 1>is a political philosophy.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is what this is what I'm saying, John,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the president that's given his reasons. Obviously, one

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<v Speaker 2>was not even aware that this had happened up until

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<v Speaker 2>such time that the action was taken, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>not something that was pronounced. It's not like anyone had

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<v Speaker 2>said that no this particular event that okay. So the

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<v Speaker 2>President in his response has given in terms of other

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<v Speaker 2>cases of a similar nature that resulted in a similar result.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what the President has given. So for me,

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<v Speaker 2>up until the ageing was taken, I was not aware

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<v Speaker 2>that the Deputy Minister had taken had gone to the

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<v Speaker 2>US without permission.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's so just to jump in, that wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>my question, and I wonder if we could return to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Ghana is Rise and Zanzi satisfied with the reasons given.

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<v Speaker 2>The President has given the reason that he is given

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<v Speaker 2>as the president and for us now it's how do

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<v Speaker 2>we get the Government of National Unity to work for

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<v Speaker 2>the benefit of all South Africas.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks very much, Marcus Shule Ghana Chief Organized and Caucus

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<v Speaker 1>web At, Rise and Zanzi