Speaker 1: Fourteen minutes past five. Well, as the two largest parties
Speaker 1: in the Government of National Unity, the ANC and the DA,
Speaker 1: slug it out in public, with threats passing back and
Speaker 1: forth and criticism of each other's conduct out there in abundance,
Speaker 1: it's easy to forget that there are actually other parties
Speaker 1: that are involved in South Africa's current governing arrangement.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Earlier today, UDM leader Bantu Holomisa had some things to
Speaker 1: say about his take on all of this and his
Speaker 1: calling as a understand it for the GNU as a
Speaker 1: whole to meet and try and talk these things out.
Speaker 1: We thought it's important to start getting the perspective of
Speaker 1: some other parties as well, and for that purpose we
Speaker 1: welcome to seven zero two drive Marca Schuleh Ghana, whose
Speaker 1: chief organized and caucus whip for the party, Rise m Zanzi,
Speaker 1: mister Ghana, welcome and thanks very much for giving us
Speaker 1: your time. How concerned are you the potential fallout for
Speaker 1: the larger g and U project of the d A
Speaker 1: A n C battle.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much, John, and good afternoon to you and
Speaker 2: so No two listeners. I'm not overly concerned. I mean,
Speaker 2: the thing is, there's there's a government in in South Africa,
Speaker 2: and there will be a government tomorrow and the day after.
Speaker 2: I think the important thing is to ensure that those
Speaker 2: that I interrupted with the responsibility to lead in government
Speaker 2: must continue to do so. I think some of these
Speaker 2: pronouncements are just by vitubes.
Speaker 1: I mean you, you and your colleagues at various times
Speaker 1: will interact with leadership from both parties on all sides.
Speaker 1: Is the heat amplified by you know, possibly by the
Speaker 1: media and and but also at the very least by
Speaker 1: the kind of circumstance on the of the argument. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you have a sense that by and large the
Speaker 1: GNU is simply getting on with its work.
Speaker 2: At a lot a lot of parties and ourselves and
Speaker 2: the leaders are getting on with the task of governing.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes when they these pronouncements, you know, it
Speaker 2: might give a semblance that maybe things have come to
Speaker 2: a hold. There's nothing that has come to a hold.
Speaker 2: Things are proceeding. Obviously. It's it's understandable that when they
Speaker 2: is in this particular instance, that the g will be
Speaker 2: disappointed in terms of the dismissile of one of the
Speaker 2: deputy ministers. And it's it's a it's a It's a
Speaker 2: normal stake to be disappointed, but I think the men
Speaker 2: in which we these methods are handled, and it's something
Speaker 2: that we ourselves as rights have continuously raised in the
Speaker 2: forums of the GNU, the PA and how the Leaders
Speaker 2: Forum that you know, yes, there would be moments that
Speaker 2: we are not satisfied, we are disappointed as partners, but
Speaker 2: we need to find a better way of handling these
Speaker 2: metals without having to create an all times public spectacle.
Speaker 1: How serious is this issue though, because on the one hand,
Speaker 1: we can go back and forth on what happened to
Speaker 1: former Deputy Minister Andrew Whitfield. But the larger question, and
Speaker 1: it's being asked not just by people in the Democratic
Speaker 1: Alliance or indeed people in any of the political parties,
Speaker 1: is if the President is indeed dealing with members of
Speaker 1: the executive who have gone against the code and in
Speaker 1: some ways have undermined the responsibility and trusted with them,
Speaker 1: it is rather odd that no action is being taken.
Speaker 1: It would seem against higher education. Minister No Bushlet and Cabane.
Speaker 1: How serious do you think that seeming contray addiction is?
Speaker 2: I think I think it's one of those issues that
Speaker 2: in a in a forum of the parties or the
Speaker 2: parties in the in the GENU needs to be to
Speaker 2: be dealt with at that level. It's not helped when
Speaker 2: individual members of within the GENU are now almost going
Speaker 2: on a on a public campaign on on some of
Speaker 2: these methods, because you need to you need to handle
Speaker 2: these methods properly. I mean obvious. One cannot dictate our
Speaker 2: political parties want to increase their political fortunes. Maybe this
Speaker 2: is how they think they need to do things. But
Speaker 2: from ourselves and Livensiss and having committed ourselves to the
Speaker 2: Government of National Unity, we believe that some of these
Speaker 2: metals are better handled away from the from the public,
Speaker 2: and we need to be able to to discuss those
Speaker 2: issues as you had called that earlier. That the leader
Speaker 2: of the UTM has called for for all the parties
Speaker 2: in the GENU to have that conversation. I think that's
Speaker 2: the forum where we need to discuss it. Some of
Speaker 2: these public pronouncements have very unhelpful and unnecessary, and I
Speaker 2: just the deduction.
Speaker 1: Yes, so, mister Ganne, you clearly critical without naming them
Speaker 1: as the way the DA has gone about it, what
Speaker 1: would rise some Zancis view be on the axing of
Speaker 1: the former Deputy Minister Andrew Whitfield. I mean, it's clearly
Speaker 1: it is within the president's gift to take that step.
Speaker 1: But were us raising Zanzi satisfied with the explanations offered
Speaker 1: that he was being fired four months after he took
Speaker 1: a trip that was not authorized.
Speaker 2: So one of the things that we must kind of
Speaker 2: including when we discuss these matters now, is to accept
Speaker 2: that one is I think last week has happened. What
Speaker 2: we need to be focusing on. It's how do we
Speaker 2: move on from me? You know, from henceforth, how do
Speaker 2: how do we move forward? So it will not be
Speaker 2: at least for me, not overly beneficial to overly analyze
Speaker 2: the actions of the president.
Speaker 1: Mister Ghana put it to you that you're avoiding the issue.
Speaker 1: If we took that stance on everything of political consequence
Speaker 1: in South Africa, that everything in the past is in
Speaker 1: the past, I think it would be fair to say
Speaker 1: we'd miss out a lot. I think it's also fair
Speaker 1: to say that Rhizom Zanzi does not adopt that consistently
Speaker 1: is a political philosophy.
Speaker 2: So this is what this is what I'm saying, John,
Speaker 2: is that the president that's given his reasons. Obviously, one
Speaker 2: was not even aware that this had happened up until
Speaker 2: such time that the action was taken, so it was
Speaker 2: not something that was pronounced. It's not like anyone had
Speaker 2: said that no this particular event that okay. So the
Speaker 2: President in his response has given in terms of other
Speaker 2: cases of a similar nature that resulted in a similar result.
Speaker 2: So that's what the President has given. So for me,
Speaker 2: up until the ageing was taken, I was not aware
Speaker 2: that the Deputy Minister had taken had gone to the
Speaker 2: US without permission.
Speaker 1: So that's so just to jump in, that wasn't really
Speaker 1: my question, and I wonder if we could return to it.
Speaker 1: Mister Ghana is Rise and Zanzi satisfied with the reasons given.
Speaker 2: The President has given the reason that he is given
Speaker 2: as the president and for us now it's how do
Speaker 2: we get the Government of National Unity to work for
Speaker 2: the benefit of all South Africas.
Speaker 1: Thanks very much, Marcus Shule Ghana Chief Organized and Caucus
Speaker 1: web At, Rise and Zanzi