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Speaker 1: Maxine Mersade and Load joins us. Welcome Maxine, it's great

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Speaker 1: to have you with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Maxine, Just do you have a projection? Do you think

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Speaker 1: that we are going to see the kind of volumes

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Speaker 1: of traffic that we are used to seeing over the

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Speaker 1: Easter weekend.

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Speaker 2: We're already seeing it and that's due to the school

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Speaker 2: closures that happened on Friday, Claren, So this past weekend

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Speaker 2: we've already seen anyone very congested in terms of the

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Speaker 2: Huganot Tunnel into the Low East passes also had a

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Speaker 2: bit of congestion, so people have already started leaving the

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Speaker 2: province right now for Easter. We're focusing on the public

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Speaker 2: transport operators that are leaving in your long distance passes

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Speaker 2: that are taking people to the religious sites, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Eastern Cape and the Northern Cape and those type

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Speaker 2: of things. So we're expecting increased volumes. But so we've

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Speaker 2: already seen it now with families leaving and going away

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Speaker 2: and celebrating school holidays as well as Easter, so it's

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Speaker 2: a double whammy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, of course, why I'm asking that question, Maxine.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Well, the petrol and diesel price increases, I

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Speaker 1: wonder to what extent that's going to put a damp

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Speaker 1: on plan.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not an expert, but like I already, like

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Speaker 2: I said to you, families have already left and this

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Speaker 2: is prior to the increase.

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Speaker 1: They pray for the accommodation.

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Speaker 2: Everything has been sorted out. Our body is the congestion

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Speaker 2: in terms of we've seen over the weekend now the past,

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Speaker 2: we can impoth with wet week trucks have been queuing

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Speaker 2: to fall upper diesel and actually hates more risk in

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Speaker 2: terms of congestion for people wanting to leave the province

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Speaker 2: and go into the Eastern Tape and the Northern Tape

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Speaker 2: and those type of things. So I just want people

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Speaker 2: to be mindful of that. And when you do plan

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Speaker 2: your trip now, if you decide to leave on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: to allow for extra traveling time, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Think that's probably a good idea because I think some

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Speaker 1: of those truck drivers under pressure of deadlines could just

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Speaker 1: be pushing their luck and then they get stuck in

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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere as well. Correct, correct, you've seen.

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Speaker 2: That, we have, We've seen it now in Beaufort. I've

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Speaker 2: also seen it was made in sport that was closed

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Speaker 2: over the weekend. We tried to turn the tracks around.

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Speaker 2: They were like, nope, not going anywhere. We'll wait until

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Speaker 2: this road was opened because they're also trying to conserve diesel.

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Speaker 1: Of course that's a much quicker route. Okay, So just

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Speaker 1: what have you got planned? Visibility is a part of

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Speaker 1: your strategy? What what else is that? What else is that?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: What we've so, what we've done prior to all of this,

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Speaker 2: and this has been acting since February already, Clarence, is

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Speaker 2: that we've been sitting and haven't joined planning meetings with

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Speaker 2: our municipal traffic police, our law enforcement, So African Police Services,

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Speaker 2: Emergency Medical Services. And the nice thing about EMS is

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Speaker 2: that they are joining us at all the way bridges

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Speaker 2: across the province. So we are stopping you know, your

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Speaker 2: long distance operators, just having a chat with the interesting

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Speaker 2: the eyes, testing their blood sugar and basically forcing people

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Speaker 2: to take a break in our fatigue management operations that

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Speaker 2: will be happening at the way bridges. We've also got,

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Speaker 2: you know, the visible policing that we've got. You'll see

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Speaker 2: provincial traffic all over the show with the patrols as

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Speaker 2: limited the amount of visible checkpoints, for instance, your roadblocks,

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Speaker 2: because I don't want to add to the congestion that

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Speaker 2: we're already seeing with people leaving. So there will be

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Speaker 2: a roadblocks, but a little short bursts of two and

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Speaker 2: four to six hours. But the focus is on the

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Speaker 2: visible policing so people can see that we are out.

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Speaker 1: There and it's a shared responsibility and you're engaging with

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Speaker 1: with municipal traffic officials as well. Is this a new

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Speaker 1: kind of united plan that's going to keep us safer?

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Speaker 2: It is. It's not new, It's always been there, but

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Speaker 2: now with included civil society. So we've gone out of

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Speaker 2: churches and community outreaches and we've really targeted certain use

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Speaker 2: groups and gone to like we had a launching Kailicha

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Speaker 2: society approach. It cannot be on one apartment to ensure

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Speaker 2: safety over Easter Clarence.

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Speaker 1: Do you think enforcement alone is enough to reduce road accidents?

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Speaker 1: I just often in my little travels I a company

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Speaker 1: or I encounter far too many cars about light shining

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night while I'm driving away wherever.

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Speaker 1: What else needs to be done, Clarents.

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Speaker 2: You know what we were at a very tragic accident

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Speaker 2: on the R forty five on Sunday, And you know,

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Speaker 2: with all the enforcements that we have going, with all

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Speaker 2: the offices deployed, it's still going to be your responsibility

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Speaker 2: to ensure that you that you are responsible on the roads.

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Speaker 2: Reckless overtaking. I don't know where people are speeding to

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Speaker 2: that are meant to be going on a holidays. You're

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Speaker 2: meant to be releft. But people are overtaking recklessly and

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Speaker 2: then causing the head on collisions. And that is where

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Speaker 2: we're seeing the spikes of our fatality raising increasing even

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Speaker 2: after dissidence. If you drive at nights on the end

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Speaker 2: Trough and on the Oceanders, there are people walking along

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Speaker 2: the road reserve, Clarence rising Black, How on earth are

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Speaker 2: you going to be visible to a motives that's going

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Speaker 2: to that you know that's not going to see you.

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Speaker 2: So for us and what we are painting this Easter

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Speaker 2: is that it's responsibility for your actions. You alone can

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Speaker 2: control your behavior. We can put all the mechanisms in place.

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Speaker 2: I can come down a hard arrist people for drink

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Speaker 2: and driving, arrest people for speeding and those other things,

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Speaker 2: which we did do in Beaufort now over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: But we need people to take responsibility for the behavior and.

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Speaker 1: Seek management is something that you should do as as

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Speaker 1: the driver, and certainly everybody in the car must insist

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Speaker 1: on some of that management.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, and also take your two hour break, especially if

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Speaker 2: you're traveling with kids, Clarence. I mean at pains me

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Speaker 2: to see how bored kids are and then drivers turn

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Speaker 2: take the breaks. That's what they are, that's what they are.

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Speaker 2: List stops. The other thing that we saw at this

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Speaker 2: accident on the R forty five was everybody that died

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Speaker 2: or that lost their lives Clarence, were not wearing seatbelts.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, So we're still get that as well, Dirrect.

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Speaker 2: So with all the communication, with all the droad safety

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Speaker 2: messaging that has gone, our people are just not listening.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, there is a life lost. Clarence

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Speaker 2: will become so numb to the fact that oh five

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Speaker 2: people died. See people died, but that is someone's mom

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Speaker 2: something that's a life for gone, never to be seen again.

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Speaker 2: So we just want people to take cognizance of the

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Speaker 2: fact that when you die, you've gone. There's there's nothing

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Speaker 2: things like this happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just how many how many staff and vehicles do

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Speaker 2: Approximately, we've got about seven hundred and I'm gonna give

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Speaker 2: you a rough seven hundred and fifty offices it go

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Speaker 2: be deproved, and that's excluding the municipal offices and your

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Speaker 2: metro police officers and your law enforcement. So there is

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Speaker 2: a contingency across the province just in terms of provincial

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Speaker 2: traffic with about five hundred and odd vehicles.

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Speaker 1: But still we.

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Speaker 2: See people with they reckless behavior and catching on nonsense.

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Speaker 2: You know, Clarence, I am. I'm not a big believer

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Speaker 2: Oh NOI does they go and they take the R

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Speaker 2: is where the nonsense happens. So when we have the oadblocks,

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Speaker 2: that is why I'm a big advocate of visible beliefing

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Speaker 2: across all the major arterials. And that's just which what

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Speaker 2: we are going to do this Easter, what we've already

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Speaker 2: been doing since Friday.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Maxine B. Sayna, Chief Director of Traffic Management,

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Speaker 1: our guests with the time of twenty three minutes past

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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock, we're talking about the road safety plan ahead

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Speaker 1: of the peak Eastern travel period. You did mention police

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Speaker 1: as part of that integrated effort. Yes they are, oh

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Speaker 1: there are okay, so they are at roadblocks with you,

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Speaker 1: but they do not have any rights in respect of

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Speaker 2: I mean, but the steps is more about time prevention.

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Speaker 2: So when we have them at our old blocks and

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Speaker 2: we come across suspicious vehicles and loads of things, which

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Speaker 2: we see a lot at the borders of our province,

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Speaker 2: they're there to search the vehicles and and and a

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Speaker 2: force multiplier as well. So now those but tries to

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Speaker 2: issue traffic fines and they do, but for us at

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Speaker 2: our rotografts and our visible checkpoints is more of a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think we have seen a bit of

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Speaker 1: an improvement in the statistics. I'm just hoping that that

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Speaker 2: We need to play hard because like I said, it

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Speaker 2: personal responsibility that people need to take. And it's looking good.

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Speaker 2: We have seen a decline or I've looked at the

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping to half that rate this easter.

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Speaker 1: That that isn't an vicious objective vaccine.

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Speaker 2: It can be done. It can be done.

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Speaker 1: Technology must be part of your arsenal as well. And

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Speaker 2: So in terms of our technology that we were the

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Speaker 2: to hand out device now which is quick. You know,

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Speaker 2: they scan the driving license, people's information comes up nice

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Speaker 2: and clearly and with the vehicles as well. Then you

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Speaker 2: management system now has a variable messaging warning motorcyclist you know,

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Speaker 2: the road, that type of thing, So even that messaging

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Speaker 2: is going out. And then also our frequent flyers, people

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Speaker 2: that we're busy using. So technology is a very big part.

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Speaker 1: Of what we do. Okay, uh fear fear also works.

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Speaker 1: So I want to I want to know about these

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Speaker 1: handheld handheld devices that someone knows everything about you, uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and how many finds you haven't paid, and how many

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Speaker 1: judgments you have? What what could happen? What could those

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Speaker 1: handout these devices cause?

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Speaker 2: So it's connected to make this so its will bring

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Speaker 2: up the amount of fines you have. Is also there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of systems that the devices are connected to.

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Speaker 2: So if I scan your driving licenses up hmmm, or

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Speaker 2: the number plate detechnician system will pick up the amounts

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Speaker 2: of fines that you owe. The city, or that you

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Speaker 2: owe the various municipalities. You're obviously beyond. But the one

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Speaker 2: thing that we must be very careful of is not

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Speaker 2: the rist, you will be arristed on the spot.

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Speaker 1: Clarence, Okay, thank you for clarifying. Then, I think it's

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Speaker 1: an important we have for a point. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to a voice note in for you vaccine, yeslutely yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Joe can't quite get it there. It's one on seat belts,

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Speaker 1: I see, but oh he's got it.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen sent So I just listen to

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Speaker 3: your guests now talk about people not winning seatbelts. And

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Speaker 3: I'm driving along the end five and I'm looking at

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Speaker 3: the people. The amount of people that are not winning

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Speaker 3: seatbelts is still quite scary. More note on the BUCkies

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Speaker 3: and trucks and all the cause, the modern cause that

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Speaker 3: a lot of people were in the seatbelts. But I'll

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Speaker 3: Hammory people not wearing seatbelts. I feels uncomfortable. If I

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Speaker 3: don't wear it anymore, that's the next abity. But my not,

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Speaker 3: I feel very uncomfortable en not don't wear seatbelts. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it's just an observation I'm made, you know, five

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Speaker 3: minutes on the five Thanks Paris from Blowberg.

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Speaker 1: You want to comment on that comment.

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Speaker 2: I can have more. If I can have more drivers

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Speaker 2: that are observing this, then you know, and more of

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Speaker 2: these type of motorsts that are taking cognizance of people

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Speaker 2: not wearing seatbalts, then I'll be comfortable. But we need

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Speaker 2: to start, like I said, personal responsibility. When you get

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Speaker 2: into your vehicle, put on your seat palts.

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Speaker 1: I got a message in from learn that it's important

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Speaker 1: to her. I guess it's ten liters of petrol that

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Speaker 1: she can get for a five hundred rand. She writes,

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Speaker 1: My car license expired on the seventeenth of March. I

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Speaker 1: was fined five hundred grand on the nineteenth. It annoyed me,

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Speaker 1: I said to the chat is very annoying. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you know the story. Then does she have grace? Does

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Speaker 1: she have a grace period?

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Speaker 2: She does so if she said when did it expire? Clarence.

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Speaker 1: Now the end of fairpril expire on the seventeenth. Fine

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Speaker 1: was given on the nineteenth of March.

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Speaker 2: No, no, is this her driving license or a vehicle

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Speaker 2: license cause license normally your call license normally expires on

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Speaker 2: the end of a month, not in the middle of it,

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Speaker 2: unless she was still in a twenty one race period.

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Speaker 2: So we just need clarity on that. But if yeah,

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Speaker 2: so for instance, when you're going to renew that your

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Speaker 2: your vehicle license, you're expired, that would be the end

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Speaker 2: of the month. You have twenty one days from say

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Speaker 2: one days race.

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Speaker 1: We're going to arrest it there, Maxine, thank you for

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Speaker 1: your time and I know it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: busy couple of days for you. All the best out there,

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Speaker 1: and of course all of us aregain to be rooting

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Speaker 1: for you to meet those objectives that you've set for

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Speaker 1: the provincial Traffic Department. Thank you, Maxine said.

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Speaker 3: Note.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the Western Cape government road safety plan, some

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Speaker 1: of it revealed, not all of it can be