1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Now I'm very keen to know we're going to have 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Randal's song in just a moment, so don't worry about that. 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: We're not changing that. But I want to throw this 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: out before we chat to Randal and hear his music. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Are you planning to go to the World Cup and 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: have you gone as far as actually trying to get tickets? 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: Because I've been following some coverage on the online platform 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: The Athletic. It really is a fabulous site for everything 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: to do with the world of sports, and they've been 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: highlighting what I think seems to me to be very 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: very unfair practices by FIFA in regard to tickets, because 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: people went online to buy and there's a stadium map 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: and the tickets have categories. Now, there were some people 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: who bought Category one tickets on the assumption that category one, 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: because there isn't a Category one plus or one max 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: or Super one or anything like that. This category one, 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: they assume they're getting the best seats in the house. 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: Some of them are actually being given seats that were 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: originally in category two, and they've added a new category 20 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: called front Category one. Yeah, and those tickets now are 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: much more expensive than the original category one tickets. So 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: is there anyone out there. Maybe you run a travel business, 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: and you're putting together packages of tickets, you know, wrapped 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: up with accommodation, travel arrangements and so on, perhaps some 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: tourism opportunities as well. Or maybe you just somebody who 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: loves football and you're planning to go and watch. But 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: have you bought tickets? And if you have, have you 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: found your category ones turning into category twos or anything 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: like that. I think there's a point at which tickets 30 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: for anything that are sold, what you see must be 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: what you get. But it seems to be getting more 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: complicated in regard to World Cup twenty twenty six. If 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: it's part of your experience, please give us a call. 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: Duel with John Pellman on seven or two. 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Right, Let's do what we do every Friday at this time, 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: and we look forward to it because my guest Randal 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: Abrams always always manages to come up with either some 38 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: interesting music that I personally haven't heard all some interesting 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: takes on songs and groups and artists that I know. Randal, 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: A very good afternoon to you today. You embarked and 41 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: dig dug deep into the vast catalog of incredibly good 42 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: music produced by Fleetwood Mac brave Man. How did you 43 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: come up with a song that you came up with? 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: Because I would have thought you were spoiled for choice. 45 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: I certainly was John and Fleetwood Mac. 46 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 3: As you well know, there are two iterations, so there's 47 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: a formal bluesy iteration. 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: When they were again primarily. 49 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: A UK group and then obviously they became a UK 50 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: US group with the addition of Stevie Nixon Lindsey Buckingham. 51 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: This is from a very successful album from the eighties, 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: Tango in the Night. It was a bit of a 53 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: comeback album in a way because they'd gone off and 54 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: done their own projects. The song I've Chosen was in 55 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: fact written for Stevie Nicks for the album The Wild Heart, 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: one of her solo projects, and she brought it to 57 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: this particular record at the time she was going through 58 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: some drug rehab issues, and in fact so was the 59 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: drummer Mcfleetwood and Lindsey Buckingham in fact was the one 60 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: who put most of the production in the work together, 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: played lots of the instruments, obviously played guitar and also 62 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: went about recording the vocals of the various performers for 63 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: the album, and there's just such a great guitar hook 64 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: that is just pure Lindsey Buckingham. 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: As part of the song. It's very eighties. 66 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: If you go into YouTube, you'll see that the video 67 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: is also extremely eighties. But there is something just so 68 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: addictively radio friendly about the song and that's what caught 69 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 3: my ear. 70 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's take a listen to it. It's called 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: Seven Wonders. Tango in the Night was the album for 72 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: many people whose main consumption or devotion to Fleetwood Mac 73 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: is derived from the album. Rumors. They continue to make 74 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: great music and they made wonderful stuff before that as well. 75 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: Seven Wonders Here it is you just man? 76 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: Where is. 77 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 3: Not? 78 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: If I live to see s. 79 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 4: I mad? The bad man was said, I'm never to 80 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 4: Matisi Okaya. 81 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: Does not just fat Come on. 82 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 5: Scott, She's not said I played in school and sweet 83 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 5: show speak whatever. 84 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: Past never from Where I love to see self wonders 85 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 4: under the band to the Rainbow. 86 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 2: Thing, I'll sms spating, ok. 87 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 4: The rainbow. 88 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: Go on it so. 89 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 5: The set times it's late, excuse my. 90 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 4: And stile I side my. 91 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, an absolutely lovely track and front and sent to 92 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: their wonderful vocals by Stevie Next. But I wanted to 93 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: ask you this, randall your thoughts on You know, obviously 94 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: when there's great singing on a song, you focus on 95 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: the lead vocalist. But Christine McVie doing some great backing vocals. 96 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: Lindsey Buckingham adding to that as as well, I mean, 97 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: do we not give sufficient credit to the extent to 98 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: which backing vocalists do is I think they did on 99 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: that track, the stint to which that actually lift and 100 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: almost highlight the solo voice, even if there are other 101 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: voices involved. 102 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, John, I mean if we take ARESA. 103 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: Franklin as a primary example, I mean, you know, a 104 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: vocalist non parral, right, but you know, just her singing 105 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: with the sweet inspirations, there's just something as they come 106 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: in that, as you say, just lifts everything. And we 107 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: mustn't forget that. The late Christine mcviee, even though you 108 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: know she didn't achieve the solo success of someone like 109 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: Stevie Next, she was just a fantastic vocalist. You know, 110 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 3: her albums, her early kind of blues inspired albums in 111 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: the UK, her later albums featuring David Gilmour, and Eric Clapton. 112 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: You know, she just absolutely a fantastic vocalist, a lot 113 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: more you know, cool and low key, yes, but a 114 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: wonderful singer. 115 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. And just finally that the history of Fleetwood Mac 116 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: is of great turbulence, individual turbulence that you alluded to, 117 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: problems with drugs, but also I think there was a 118 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: period where they could barely speak to each other and 119 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: yet and yet they made wonderful music. Iman can can 120 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: conflict be a great source of creativity. 121 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: Look, I think, as I say, we have to speak 122 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 3: about the different iterations of Fleetwood Mac as well, and 123 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: about Peter Green of course and his mental issues, and 124 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: then Jeremy Spencer, the other guitarist, and Danny Kerwhen who 125 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: came on board. 126 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: In this iteration. Of course, there were you know, there 127 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: were there. 128 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: Was lots of love and hate, and certainly the relationship 129 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: that they had with Lindsey Buckingham and his feeling that 130 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: he wasn't given the level of credit that he believed 131 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: they deserved was one of the reasons that he left 132 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: the group. And the final kind of live iteration featured 133 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 3: Mike Campbell of the of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 134 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: and also Neil Finn, So yes, I think that you know, 135 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: I guess it's a bit like aber as well, right, yes, 136 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: both the love and the and the hate part of it. 137 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 3: And I'm using a bit of a strong word, but 138 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 3: led to led to really really great songs, and I 139 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: think that you know, there's there's a lot to be 140 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 3: said about angst and challenging lifestyles when it comes to 141 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: developing amazing art. 142 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 143 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: Randall abrams lots of appreciation for his choice of band 144 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: and for his choice of track. Robert says, gorgeous song. 145 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know The History is such a brilliant band. 146 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for that. Robert Randall back with us at the 147 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: same time next Friday.