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Speaker 1: Past the city on five.

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Speaker 2: Right peptides. They've been gaining some serious traction in wellness

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Speaker 2: and health circles lately, although they've been around forever. In fact,

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Speaker 2: they exist in our bodies, from anti aging claims to

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Speaker 2: as the next big thing. But how accurate is that?

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Speaker 2: What exactly are they? How do they work in the body?

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Speaker 2: Is any of this back by science? And what do

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Speaker 2: I know about it? Well, I've just had a mini

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Speaker 2: master class, so I know more now than I did

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Speaker 2: five minutes ago. Joining me now to help unpack it

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Speaker 2: all Our fitness pioneer, motivational speaker, wellness guru Sweat one

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Speaker 2: thousand and wellness found at steep. How do I PRONOUNI

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Speaker 2: your series? You're Ryan and I could have last two

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Speaker 2: minutes ago before we want to know, but I didn't.

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Speaker 2: And Doctor Ray Addnel, a physician at a Wellness Goal

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Speaker 2: who specializes in preventative medicine, metabolic health and longevity diagnostics.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: I like the longevity thing because according to my algorithm,

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Speaker 2: if I'm as I say, eating a million grams of

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Speaker 2: protein a day, lifting heavy, which I do, getting them

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Speaker 2: at ten thousand steps doing all of that stuff that

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Speaker 2: I'm going to just crumble into nothingness. And that's going

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Speaker 2: to be that. Oh and also I need to be

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Speaker 2: taking my collageen, my creatine, my peptides and all that

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Speaker 2: kind of jazz.

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Speaker 3: Gentlemen, good morning, too morning, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Offensively attractive, both they are, though I like to have.

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Speaker 2: It's good now. It's good for the socials as well

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Speaker 2: to have terribly attractive people in the studios. Right, Steve Ray,

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Speaker 2: good to have you with us. Let's start at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: and whoever you can feel the questions as you like,

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Speaker 2: what are peptides? What are they? What are we even

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Speaker 4: Peptides are basically chains of amino escids or proteins. So

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Speaker 4: what that means is that it is a naturally occurring molecule.

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Speaker 3: It is made up from one.

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Speaker 4: To fifty in a chain of amino asseids. Think of

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Speaker 4: it as a music note, so you've got one note

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Speaker 4: all the way up to fifty notes. Anything above that

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Speaker 4: becomes known as a protein. So anything under the fifty

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Speaker 4: is called a peptide. And there's short chain, long chain.

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Speaker 4: So they do different things. They do different activities in

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Speaker 4: the cell in your body, instructing, amplifying and telling your

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Speaker 4: cell to do its job efficiently. All you have seven

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Speaker 4: thousand peptides in.

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Speaker 3: Your body already.

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Speaker 4: We work with about fifteen to twenty peptides now and

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Speaker 4: more and more coming to light. So basically, it's an

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Speaker 4: amplifying mechanism to teach your body to do its job efficiently.

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Speaker 4: In a nutshell, got you.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm taking from that is we've already got

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Speaker 2: the stuff. This is just telling our body how to

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Speaker 2: make the most of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: We've already got a hund of a sense. It's amplifying.

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Speaker 1: So like the way Steve said, it was actually perfect.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's literally just a short chain of amino acid.

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Speaker 1: It signals your body to do what it's already doing.

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Speaker 1: Just do it a bit better, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Then, and doing what better? I mentioned a few things

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Speaker 4: Every thing at a cellular level, whether it's collagen production

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Speaker 4: for your skin, hair nails, whether it's inflammation repair, anything

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Speaker 4: amino acid. Amino acid is a protein broken down by

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Speaker 4: your body through digestion, So should it be you've had

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Speaker 4: send the mechanism for repair, healing, inflammation basically targeted to

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Speaker 4: that purpose in your body. So depending on whatever your

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Speaker 4: cellular needs are. So your body as you get older,

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Speaker 4: stops working as efficiently as we know, Yes, exactly, So

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Speaker 2: Okay, Why are they suddenly raised such a big topic

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, I think from my perspective, like we know,

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Speaker 1: peptides are not new. I mean, insulins are peptide, oxytocins

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Speaker 1: a peptide. These are peptides that we know very very well. Right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: So with and people get attached a lot more to

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Speaker 2: peptides is where it's at, and which is actually kind

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Speaker 2: and also it seems everyone's taking the everyone's taking the jabs, right,

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Speaker 2: And I have no opinion on people.

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Speaker 1: If that's what.

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Speaker 2: If that's what works for you, great, How do peptides

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a million percent. So it's all supporting. So it's

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Speaker 4: called stacking. So GELP or glucagon like peptides. You've got

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Speaker 4: FDA approval. ELI Lilly Pharmaceutical's got the rights for it.

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Speaker 4: They've they've got three agonists, which means it does three

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Speaker 4: the new one, the glucagon they've added, causes the body

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Speaker 4: growth hormones for credogogus, which helps with muscle repair muscle recovery.

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Speaker 4: The problem with the glps is people are losing the

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Speaker 4: That's all you're malnourishing yourself, and that's why they're side effects.

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Speaker 4: It's not the compound itself, but the hard dosing is

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Speaker 3: As I said, that's so interesting.

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Speaker 2: If you're just joining us this morning at seven forty six,

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Speaker 2: welcome to Weekend Breakfast. We're having conversations that I've wanted

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why we're having this conversation with Stephen

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Speaker 2: people also want to know that, don't they, because there's that.

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Speaker 2: And I think also that the method of ingestion, which

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Speaker 5: Okay, so what's that?

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Speaker 1: So this is a you said, Max, go on, So

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Speaker 1: this is a Russian nasal spray. It's a peptide that

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Speaker 1: helps with cognitive enhancement and neural protection.

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Speaker 2: Give it to give it to the exactly Stevid's clapping

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Speaker 3: So yeah, this is this.

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Speaker 1: On a scientific note, this increases what's called B, D

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Speaker 1: ce MAX is definite an option to look out for.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and that's that's going up the nose.

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Speaker 2: Is that how it's well.

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Speaker 4: I'll just interject quickly. So the injection is a tiny needle.

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Speaker 3: So people panic.

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Speaker 4: These compounds are considered schedule for because of the injection fact,

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Speaker 4: then so just to say BPC one five seven, which

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Speaker 2: Okay, who's the ideal candidate who should be taking this?

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Speaker 4: Anybody really, truly, anyone that just optimizes any human being

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Speaker 4: Truly, there's nothing negative about these. Again, when you spoke

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Speaker 4: about scientific research. Because it's a natural peptide, a natural compound,

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Speaker 4: it can't be patented by big farmer. Human trials cost

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Speaker 4: they then own that patent afterwards, and it's worth the investment.

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Speaker 4: Why would they invest in human trial if everyone has

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Speaker 2: We've had a message in from Leslie on the WhatsApp line.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Sarah Jane. Please would you ask your guests

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Speaker 5: talking about peptides hard is that they are absorbed because

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Speaker 1: Questions Scientifically, if you think about it, you know jlp ones,

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Speaker 1: We look at it is like lowest effective US got you, right,

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Speaker 1: So like like you have at the moment a brilliant foundation.

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Speaker 2: It's that there's a lot of judgment around the use

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 4: It does not make you more efficient at being like,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't enhance your ability to do something. It helps

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Speaker 2: Like couldn't you just feel like, well you can't have

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Speaker 3: That's pretty much very similar. So it's all yours analogy.

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Speaker 4: That's why people lose muscle and gain fat. They get

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Speaker 2: come away from this feeling like, get yourself on the peptides,

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Speaker 2: SJA do it? Steve Ray, thank you very much. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: just tell us website before we go. Where can people

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Speaker 4: Find The first time we last time we spoke, we

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Speaker 1: And then our websites www. Dot Wellness dot Cold.

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Speaker 2: Lovely stuff, fantastic. All right, there we go. Hopefully you

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