1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Cake Talk A Worldview from London with Adam Gilchrist. Good morning, Adam. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: It was supposed to be power Plant and Bridge day. 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: That didn't happen. Between two and three o'clock this morning, 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: an announcement from the White House a two week ceasefires 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: on the table. 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: It is absolutely and there's that quote just before. It 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: was after we spoke yesterday when Donald Trump talked about 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: how a whole civilization would die if Iran didn't agree 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: to reopen the straight up hor Mooz, which is a 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: very uncomfortable kind of comment. But we've kind of got 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: used to the uncomfortable. So here we have a two 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: week cease far agreed by Israel as well, by the way, 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: and then they will begin talking, although they will start 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: initially talking in Pakistan on Friday. And it absolutely looks 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: like it is a ten point plan on the table 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: that's been put forward by Iran, which includes the withdrawal 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: of all American forces in the Middle East. Ever go 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: for that. That's a complete game changer. And also that 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: Iran now has basically total control of the Strait of Hormuz, 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: which they didn't have before America started attacking them. This 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: is absolutely a ten point plan that Iran would want. 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: You can see why Iranian State TV is declaring this 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: as a victory for them. Has got absolutely nothing to 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: do with Donald Trump's stated aims or the status quo. 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 2: It completely changes the status quo in the Middle East? 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: Is this therefore a viable alternative? Has this essentially just 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 2: kicks the can down the road, as they say, maybe 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: this will help with the flow of oil and gas 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks while they talk and before 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: something else happens. But it absolutely does feel at this 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: stage like Donald Trump has completely caved, which I mean, 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: I know, there's the whole Taco thing, isn't there Trump 33 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: again chickens up again. Yeah, But I don't know is 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: that really what we're seeing up front? Because it does 35 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: one hundred percent look like Iran is getting what it 36 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: wanted and America, having bombed the GESUS out of the country, 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: isn't getting anything at all. 38 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: Look, we are governed by social media edict and a 39 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: truth social post about an hour ago Donald Trump saying 40 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: a big day for world peace. Iran wants it to happen. 41 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: They've had enough. Likewise, so as everyone else, the United 42 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: States of America will be helping with the traffic build 43 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: up in the Strait of Homus. There will be lots 44 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: of positive action, big money will be made. Iran can 45 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: start the reconstruction process. And remember Iran was calling for reparations. 46 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: We'll be loading up with supplies of all kinds and 47 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: just hanging around in order to make sure that everything 48 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: goes well. I feel confident that will happen, just like 49 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: we are experiencing in the US. This could be the 50 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: golden age of the Middle East. President Donald J. Trump. 51 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: I mean, we could be uber cynical here and say, well, 52 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: we know that Iran has wanted to charge oil tankers 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: and cargo ships two million dollars a throw to go 54 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: through the straight up holms, and some actually had paid 55 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: up during the last five weeks in order to get out. 56 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: Is that how it's going to be two million dollars 57 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: per ship which wasn't the case before. And is Donald 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: Trump getting a cut or indeed, is the United States 59 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: getting a cut. That's a carve up that the rest 60 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: of the world will not feel very happy about. But 61 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: does the rest of the world matter when it comes 62 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: to either Iran or America? 63 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: As if when you have international relations geopolitical endless on 64 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: air to give this specialized opinion. It's just the answers 65 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: make of it. 66 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: What you like, what do you will? Yeah? 67 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And then from hero to zero Australia's most honored 68 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: soldier face's murder chargers. 69 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, this has really got them buzzing in Australia. Okay, 70 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: this is a guy, Ben Robert Smith, who was in 71 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: Australians Special Forces and served in Afghanistan, and he has 72 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: every medal going including the Victoria Cross, and left the 73 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: Australian Defense Force about thirteen years ago. But he's now 74 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: been arrested and indeed is behind bars, charged with five 75 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: counts of murder whilst serving in Afghanistan. It's claimed he 76 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: killed unarmed Afghan civilians or oversaw the killing of He 77 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: has denied it. He says either the killings were lawful 78 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: in combat or that the incidents didn't occur at all. 79 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: There have been similar charges before, I have to say 80 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: against British American soldiers who served in Afghanistan and previously 81 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: in Iraq, generally without prosecution. There are so many fraught 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: issues of course, not least the ability to go to Afghanistan. 83 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: Nobody can really to collect evidence or photos or witness 84 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: statements or datahether it's true or not. Once upon a time, 85 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: i'spose accusations. We're rather swept under the carpet. But in 86 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: this day and age, all is not fair in love 87 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: and war. Except we have now former Australian Prime ministers 88 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: and Elon Musk weighing in on this, saying, can you 89 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: judge a man who is in combat, a soldier who 90 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: is under fire? Can you judge him and his actions 91 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: by ordinary civilian life? Obviously, shooting somebody in the back 92 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: as they run away in civilian life would absolutely be 93 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: one hundred percent first degree murder. But in Afghanistan, in 94 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: the middle of a war with shots all around, is 95 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: it a different thing? People have argued this for eons. 96 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: I do sometimes think that, you know, on the one hand, 97 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: you can't get away with just, you know, killing unarmed 98 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: prisoners for instance. But at the same time, if we'd 99 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: done this after the Second World War, how many millions 100 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: of cases would have been brought because let's be honest, 101 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: nobody was squeaky cleaning the Second World War, indeed any 102 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: war for that matter. 103 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: And then to the question, what have the Romans ever 104 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: done for us the answer, who would be the aqueduct, 105 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: But we'd hope for some other form or more forms 106 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: of internal irrigation. But talk to me about Hadrian War's 107 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: walls dog pool problem. 108 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So we got this this wall built, as you say, 109 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: built by the Romans more or less two thousand years 110 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: ago to keep the pesky Scots on the other side. 111 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: So it was a wall built across very north of England. 112 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: It's almost the border between England and Scotland. And it 113 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: was built by the Emperor Hadrian and it was something 114 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty thousand Roman soldiers built it 115 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: in double quick time. They just wanted to keep the 116 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: hordes of marauding tuttan Almy at the other side. And 117 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: here we are two thousand years later. The wall is 118 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: no longer a barrier to anyone. It's quite low, but 119 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: it's a UNESCO World Heritage Site. It's quite a site. 120 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: It's a great walk from one side of England to 121 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: the other. But full of dog walkers. Now, good dog walkers, 122 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: as we know, scoop when they're dog poops, and therefore 123 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: people are picking up the stuff, putting it in their 124 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: little poopy bags and then stuffing it in the wall. 125 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: They're not taking it home. Apparently there aren't too many 126 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: bins to put it in, so they're literally mile after 127 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: mile of Hadrian's Wall is now full of little plastic 128 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: bags filled with a delightful little doggie gift inside. And 129 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: so what you could absolutely argue is it would be 130 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: much more organic and better for nature if you just 131 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: let the dogs poop by the wall rather than pick 132 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: it up in a plastic bag and shove the plastic 133 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: bag in. It's a tad uncitly, shall we say. It's 134 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: now been called the world's largest dog pooh bin. 135 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: Again, I ask you, aside from sanitation, medicine, education, public order, irrigation, roads, 136 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: fresh water systems and public health, what have the Romans 137 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: ever done for us? 138 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: They gave us the greats debate. Thank you Romans. 139 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: Adam Gilchrist chat to you tomorrow live from London with 140 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: the Worldview.