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Speaker 1: Well, let's move to that much longer commission that I

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Speaker 1: was just noting in regard to the eff leader, because

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Speaker 1: as I say, his name has come up in a

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Speaker 1: number of ways in that regard. And let's turn to

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Speaker 1: what happened out at the bridge at my Bundla Justice

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Speaker 1: College so far today. Over the past few days, as

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Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you know, the focus has been

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Speaker 1: on the twenty Metro Police Department and the man who

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Speaker 1: is answering questions today is a very central figure there.

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Speaker 1: Director of Assets at the Twine Metro Police Chikudu Malachi,

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Speaker 1: has been giving testimony. So Tubby Saw, gorba Ew and

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Speaker 1: colleague has been keeping a close arm things. Tubby Saw,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to seven oh two drive. What are we learning more?

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Speaker 1: Because it really is kind of layer upon layer. We're

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Speaker 1: getting further down the chain of command at the TMPD,

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Speaker 1: but it's actually further down that chain of command where

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Speaker 1: crucial decisions involving hundreds of millions of rams to have

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Speaker 1: been made and documents signed.

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Speaker 2: What are we learning from Director Malachi? Good afternoon, Good afternoon, John.

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Speaker 2: It's billions of rands billions, okay, residents. As you said

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Speaker 2: to John, we're getting lower, lower down the chain. We

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Speaker 2: started with the head of the TMPD, the deputy chief,

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Speaker 2: and now we're the director. And what we're trying to

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Speaker 2: find out is that who's really responsible for some of

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Speaker 2: these security companies fleecing the municipality of billions of rands

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Speaker 2: for sometimes even work that they didn't even do. Now

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Speaker 2: we know that both the deputy chief and the head

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Speaker 2: of the SAMPD, they've sort of you know, removed themselves,

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Speaker 2: insulated themselves from responsibility. And now we have the Director

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Speaker 2: of Assets Protection Units. This unit deals with protecting critical

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Speaker 2: infrastructure of the municipality, so they're the one they're responsible

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Speaker 2: for outsourcing some of these functions to private security companies. Again,

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Speaker 2: and I have to say that mister Malaji to go

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Speaker 2: to Malaji, he's not necessarily accused of any corruption. It's

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Speaker 2: also the same sort of things that the other two

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Speaker 2: previous witnesses who testified this today that there has been

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Speaker 2: a lack of oversight. And mister Malachi is also passed

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Speaker 2: the back too. You know that there was an inspector

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Speaker 2: lebochan Piri, a very junior employee. You are ragially signed

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Speaker 2: off on a lot of these contracts for a number

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Speaker 2: of politically connected security companies. This junior employee worked under

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Speaker 2: mister Malaji, and mister Malaji said, I didn't give him

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Speaker 2: authority to do that, and I don't know why he

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Speaker 2: did that. Mister Piri did make a brief appearance at

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Speaker 2: the Malank Commission this morning. He's due to come back

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Speaker 2: on the twenty eighth of April, so maybe he'll finally,

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Speaker 2: you know, give us that an indication of who actually

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Speaker 2: gave him the authority to actually give some of these

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Speaker 2: contracts that cost the city millions of rands to these

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Speaker 2: private security companies.

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Speaker 1: Well, if the Springbok backline can move the ball as

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Speaker 1: fast as these guys pass the back I think we're

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Speaker 1: going to win another World Cup at Teby. So let

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Speaker 1: me ask you this, and I think you highlighted this

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Speaker 1: in the material you provided form Bali's three o'clock bulletin

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Speaker 1: that there seemed to me to be a quite extraordinary exchange,

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Speaker 1: although it falls into the category surprised but not shocked,

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Speaker 1: because you know we're hearing this over and over again.

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Speaker 1: But did mister Miller director Malat she say, well, yes,

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Speaker 1: we quite frequently would pay for work that we never

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Speaker 1: verified that had actually been done, but he seemed to

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Speaker 1: say it as if this wasn't particularly astonishing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was an astonishing assessment. And let's take

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Speaker 3: it into a fair to that mister Malaj has been

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Speaker 3: director of the Assets Protection Units since twenty thirteen, So

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Speaker 3: there was someone who's very much imbued in the units

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Speaker 3: and who gnaws everything and what happened, and there was

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Speaker 3: an internal order saying that a lot of the world

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Speaker 3: that is done by these private security companies is not

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Speaker 3: being monitored. The units has no idea of where these

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Speaker 3: private security companies are doing or where they are, and

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Speaker 3: all they know is that they getting invoices and they're

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Speaker 3: paying them millions of rants, and they're exceeding their bullets.

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Speaker 3: Their budgets you say, billions of rands. Their budgets is

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Speaker 3: about eight hundred million, John, but the bullets ballooned to

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Speaker 3: about two point nine billion, which is you know, you

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Speaker 3: imagine when you're dealing with that kinds of money, there

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Speaker 3: be much more oversight and much more controls. So again

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Speaker 3: another witness at the TMPD senior official talking about the

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Speaker 3: lack of oversights and lack of controls within the department.

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Speaker 1: And it really does raise questions about the overall culture

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Speaker 1: in that metro. But later for that, I guess because

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Speaker 1: more and more people will be appearing before the mad

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Speaker 1: Langa Commission seven or two drive. If you work at

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Speaker 1: Swane Metro, maybe you want to comments is that the

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Speaker 1: general culture because one of the issues that has come

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Speaker 1: up very much in passing rather than as a central focus.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's important. Nonetheless, where there's been you know,

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Speaker 1: from I think it's been from some of the commissioners

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Speaker 1: saying well, you know, this could be something that not

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Speaker 1: only affected security, did it affect uniforms and by implication

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Speaker 1: if it affected the TMPD, how many other departments are

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Speaker 1: running in this way? If you work there, you've got

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Speaker 1: an insight, please feel free to share it. We do

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Speaker 1: not necessarily have to use your name. Twenty eight minutes

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Speaker 1: to four