1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Everything you need to start your day. We all have 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: a voice. Use yours called to one double four six 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: oh five six seven, join the conversation. Talk Toro Russ. 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: You've come with your bags packed because you're hitting straight 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: from your two outing for the DA's elective conference. 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: I mean that's why the flights are also expensive, because 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: everyone from Cape down is now migrating to joe Burgh 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: for those three day elective conference. 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Yes, it is the price of if the tickets are 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: expensive because of the surcharge. 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: Of fuel, but also because everyone is going to the 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 2: DA Congress. Lest you should have looked at the flights. 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: Two thousand delegates. 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: Majority of yes do come from the class the media 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: that you all need to account for that. We're all 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: down here, all the technical staff the Western Cape, A 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: lot of the media has gone up. Two thousand people 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: is a lot. 19 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: It's fantastic for them because as a second lot just 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: party in South Africa, we need to take consideration. This 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: will be a brand new and all new DA leadership. 22 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Come Sunday night Monday morning we talk about the A 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: and CS. What now top seven This will be the 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: DA's top ten. 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: And they're all relatively very young. 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Besides Ivan Mayer, who is still running for the DA's 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: chairpersonship position. All of the other candidates are relatively young 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: South Africans and. 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: When we look at and that many people don't know this, 30 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: but there was an election that happened yesterday. So all 31 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: the federal council positions get voted on in secret on 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: Thursday and the announcement is made subsequently on Sunday. However, 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: for Federal leader those positions, those are voted openly in 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: the public on Sunday as well. So Saturday is reserved 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: to resolutions that they're going to be voting on. So 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: one of the resolutions on the table is that the 37 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: DA is motioning do they elect a deputy Federal leader. 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: That is something that one of the policies the delegates 39 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: are going to be voting on. That is all happening 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: on the Saturday. Leadership elections happen on the Sunday, and 41 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: I think it's quite interesting that there is, and so 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: people who vote in the secret election for federal Council 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: they also don't know what the results are, so everyone's 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: finding out on Sunday, and I think it's going to 45 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: be quite interesting. 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: The proposal of a DA deputy leader. What's what the second, third, 47 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: maybe fourth bite of the cherry not necessarily new novel 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: and the last few DA conferences there has been put 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: on the table. Why why are the people who think 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: that there should be a deputy federal leader position. 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 2: I think in the era of the g and U, 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: having someone whose sole focus can also be on the 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: party and have them not hold a governmental position at 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: any level is something that I think is at the 55 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: forefront of Mini delegates minds. Jordania Lewis is the four 56 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: franchianer Rada to become the next day leader. He has 57 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: insisted that he wants to stay as the mayor of 58 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: the city of Cape Town, and I think by having 59 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: a deputy federal leader, you can have someone who constantly 60 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: has their pulse on what is happening internally in the party, 61 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: while Hill Lewis is somehow going to juggle both the 62 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: city and trying to go grow the party on the ground. 63 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: Will it pass, We really don't know, but it's going 64 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: to be very very interesting to see the new policy 65 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: direction that comes from the Day leadership. 66 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: At Lisa reminds us there will be no DA people 67 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: in the city of Cape Town. This weekend. Mommy and 68 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: daddy are out for the week let's party. Okay, But 69 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: but Jornia Lewis thirty nine years old, poor old Supersiso 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: Dio Nazi. I can't understand the principle no position should 71 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: go and contested. The shouldn't be an anointing of Jordania 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Lewis as federal leader. But by Monday morning on air 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: with us will be Jordania Lewis and I'll introduce him 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: as the DA federal leader. But fifty nine years old, 75 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: a man who was what's seven eight years old in 76 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, a born free, someone who is very 77 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: much drank the Rainbow Nation cool Aid of nineteen ninety four. 78 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: I think, actually it's a very It's been a gradual 79 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: step for the DA, for this new wave of young 80 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: young leaders that have happened almost organically. 81 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely and this is truly the last wave of the 82 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: almost early twenty fourteen prime young leaders entering the DA, 83 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: and now we're seeing their positions come to fruition. I mean, 84 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: I did do an interview with CBCSO and I do 85 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: think that his heart is in the right place. I mean, 86 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: I think there are many people who are hoping you 87 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: know whatever, there is an internal revault with the DA delegates. 88 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: We've seen this time and time again. We're saying, you 89 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: know what, many people have come out to SA. They 90 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: don't think there should be a coronation. They think that 91 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: Jordio Lewis should have some challenge and cibisiso's entire proposal 92 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: is that the DA should be grass roots led. He'spent 93 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: fifteen years being an activist, being on the ground for 94 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: the party and he's thrown his hat in the ring 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: because he says no one should go forward uncontested. And 96 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: I think that his heart is in the right place. 97 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: But ultimately I do think that GHL is going to 98 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: come up on top. 99 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: And then to the EFF. Now as we look towards 100 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: local government elections expected mid November, end of November later 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: this year, but the EFF announcing they won't be putting 102 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: up any mayoral candidates. Well, let's be honest, we don't 103 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: have mayoral candidates. The construction of our councils is based 104 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: on a mixed system of direct election of ward counselors 105 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: of a pr system. We don't have any electron for mayor, 106 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: but the person who is generally number one of that 107 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: on that PR list is someone who is generally leading 108 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: the campaign, and so we can extend our imagine to 109 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: say imagination to say, well, that person is the party's 110 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: mayoral candidate. 111 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: And this comes at a time, specifically in Johannesburg, which 112 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: is going to be a hot part of contestation with 113 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: the upcoming local government elections. I mean, Helen Zillah has 114 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 2: been at the forefront. We see home and Mashaba for 115 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: action say, and the EFFS boldly said, you know what, 116 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: We're not going to individually pick someone and have them 117 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: be the forefront of the campaign also listed, they are 118 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: not going to have two separate lists. What the eff 119 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: have said is that they all have one list of 120 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: ward councilors coming from each ward. The ward councilors that 121 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: are not elected in their prospective wards will then be 122 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: put on the proportional representation list and those counselors will 123 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: then make up the PR list, which I think is 124 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: also a very interesting choice because usually political parties go 125 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: forward with having their two lists in place. But the 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: ff is said they do not want to center any 127 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: local government election campaigns in any of the metros around 128 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 2: an individu or candidate. It will be for the party. 129 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: So the party at large is going to campaign in 130 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: all of the metros and that is how people will vote. 131 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: And perspectively, if they do become elected in any of 132 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: the metros or any of the municipalities, they're going to 133 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: choose the ward councilor with the highest votes in their 134 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: ward to be elected as mayor. 135 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: Well that this is the eff believing they even have 136 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: a chance at mayoralty if they do win any any 137 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: wards or municipalities in the twenty twenty six elections. But 138 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: let's go to the if PENA they've been they've been 139 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: gaining momentum, they're actually facing a test of growth. They 140 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: have also recently taking on a former senior MK party 141 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: member who joins the IFP ink it In. 142 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: So the former secretary general of MK and Bogani. He 143 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: is now of the IP. He proudly put on his 144 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: IFP shows at the Paris conference. And this is extremely interesting, Lester, 145 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: because we see the IFP slowly edging back in case 146 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: it In. I mean, the IFP was the majority in 147 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: that province following nineteen ninety four election, and we see 148 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: the IP, I mean, in the last three by elections 149 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: that have happened in kase it and the IFP has 150 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: actually won those wards back from the ANC. And we 151 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: look at these minor games that they're making in more 152 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: of the rural areas, but the real test of the 153 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: IFP is can they win in the metros. We see 154 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: that the DA has historically had a hold on the 155 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: metros of kz it N. Will the IFP be able 156 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: to claw their way back. The IP has been doing 157 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: very well, specifically in the GNU, to differentiate their party 158 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: identity from their role in the government, and I think 159 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: that's translating on the ground. I think their performance in 160 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: ks it In is also going to be whether or 161 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: not they can expand that into the rest of the country. 162 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: If we look at what the bulls are saying at 163 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: the moment, we're looking at the ANC after since whenever 164 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: we begin doing local government elections to nineteen ninety six, well, 165 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: for the first time only govern one metro out route 166 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: and that's Buffalo City ku Goompo in that part of 167 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: the east and Coo Coompo City East London Buffalo City 168 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: City metro. It's not looking good for the ANC. They 169 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: could lose all metros except this one, and. 170 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: It is very concerning because local government does lay the 171 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: ground for the next national election, and when we're looking 172 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: at the stats now and the pole, it's not looking 173 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: good for any political party lister and coalitions are our 174 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: undeniable future. When we look at who is going to 175 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: govern outright, we know the DA will come and outright 176 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: in the city of Cape Town, much to the dismay 177 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: of the Patriotic Alliance. We look at many other key 178 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: metros that are going to be split. We look at Johanna, 179 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: we look at a Corollini, we look at Swanea and 180 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: it is very concerning to say that, you know what, 181 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: we cannot reach a consensus on a local level about 182 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: who should govern, but that sentiment is largely echoed nationally 183 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: where many South Africans can't come together under one political 184 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: party banner to say this is who undoubtedly should govern 185 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 2: the country. 186 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: Torus a safe flight to joe Burg. She'll be covering 187 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: the DA's elective conference at the weekend.