Speaker 1: Walking this talk together every hour every day. This is
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Speaker 2: I'm sure many of you have views and contributions that
Speaker 2: you would like to make on the man that was
Speaker 2: did Mabuza. Many people from Buma Langa have a lot
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Speaker 2: line at the end of the show. The final hour
Speaker 2: of the show will be the open line and it
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Speaker 2: your mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're moving.
Speaker 2: To our psychological matters feature, and it's a really interesting
Speaker 2: one today just because of the time of the year
Speaker 2: that we're in, but also the reality of how fatigue
Speaker 2: really is a problem that many of us are experiencing,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's not linked to any time of the
Speaker 2: year or any reason. Really, you find people saying I've
Speaker 2: been sleeping and I sleep for a full eight hours
Speaker 2: and I still wake up tired. But today we're speaking
Speaker 2: about why medio fatigue is still hitting hard or hitting
Speaker 2: us hard. And what can help can we do anything
Speaker 2: about it? And for that conversation, we have the executive
Speaker 2: head of healthcare Consulting at financial advisory firm NMG Benefits.
Speaker 2: That's Karen Mitchellmore who joins US Now Live, and we're
Speaker 2: going to be having that conversation around whether medio fatigue
Speaker 2: is a reality or is it all.
Speaker 1: In the mind.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I do think that it's we think
Speaker 2: ourselves into being tired. I don't know, I mean, you
Speaker 2: find yourself in February. I've seen chokes on social media
Speaker 2: with people saying, oh, I already have year end fatigue,
Speaker 2: and we're in February March, you know, and some of
Speaker 2: the people are being honest, they are already feeling drained
Speaker 2: and tired, even after a lengthy break in you know,
Speaker 2: lengthy December break, lengthy break in the holidays. So let's
Speaker 2: speak about mid year fatigue and what it's all about.
Speaker 2: Karen Mitchell Moore joins US Now Live. Karen, good evening,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I keep saying, Karen that.
Speaker 2: While we like to speak about midia fatigue or your
Speaker 2: in fatigue, sometimes we're just feeling fatigued, even in January
Speaker 2: after a lengthy break. I mean, is midyear fatigue a
Speaker 2: reality where people where when we hit that June mark,
Speaker 2: we already start feeling like, oh.
Speaker 1: There's a bit of a slump.
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely what happens is that you know, first
Speaker 3: of all, I mean, what is fatigue. It's really around
Speaker 3: the emotional, mental, and physical exhaustion. We set these you know,
Speaker 3: really almost unrealistical for ourselves at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3: We've got resolutions to meet, you know, we've got work pressures,
Speaker 3: and then suddenly before we know it, we're at the
Speaker 3: middle of the year. We're feeling exhausted, we're seasonal changes
Speaker 3: and you know, we have this prolonged stress and it
Speaker 3: affects our well being. So, you know, regardless of whether
Speaker 3: it's it's summer or winter, fatigue is is, it's a
Speaker 3: reality and it affects everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but can we link it to the time of
Speaker 2: year or is that just in our minds? Is there
Speaker 2: a direct link with the fact that it's been six months,
Speaker 2: It's been seven months and that's why we've hired.
Speaker 3: So I don't think so, to be very honest, with you.
Speaker 3: I think you know, you can experience fatigue whether it's
Speaker 3: winter or whether it's summer. You know, if we just
Speaker 3: look at what fatigue is, it's often that it's when
Speaker 3: we've come from a rush from you know, trying to
Speaker 3: reach all these goals and then suddenly we're exhausted. And
Speaker 3: when you do have a change of season, as I said,
Speaker 3: so you know, when we go into some more, we
Speaker 3: go into winter, you might find that you are that
Speaker 3: too hot, so you can't sleep, so you spend your night,
Speaker 3: you know, thinking about all the work pressures, you think
Speaker 3: about what's happening within your family, your own homes, and
Speaker 3: the same happens with summer. I think you know, the
Speaker 3: struggle is there, and I mean there obviously are different
Speaker 3: types of fatigue, and we always say it depends on
Speaker 3: the person, it depends on your job. You know, you
Speaker 3: might find if it's wintertime, you know, being lonely, being dark,
Speaker 3: being kept inside could create a different type of mental
Speaker 3: you know, wellness issue. So you know, in some respect,
Speaker 3: certainly seasonal changes can affect fatigue. But media fatigue is real,
Speaker 3: and that happens when when we just get to a
Speaker 3: point where we think, you know, what direction do we
Speaker 3: turn into? Now? Where do we go from here? We've
Speaker 3: still got half a year and it feels like I
Speaker 3: need to take a break.
Speaker 2: And I mean, we'll come back to the types of
Speaker 2: a fatigue. I'm really interested in that. But before we
Speaker 2: go there, how would one know that they're experiencing fatigue?
Speaker 2: I also think it's a term that we use quite loosely,
Speaker 2: like you have a bad night's sleep, or you know,
Speaker 2: you just you struggle a bit a day or two
Speaker 2: and already you're saying, oh, I'm so fatigued. How would
Speaker 2: you know that you're going through madure fatigue?
Speaker 3: You know? Again, as I said, you know, it depends
Speaker 3: on who you are. So for some people, they just
Speaker 3: feel absolutely exhausted. They might feel irritable, emotional, or even hopeless.
Speaker 3: You know, there's this new word that people are using,
Speaker 3: and it's quite scary. It's called presentism. You know, in
Speaker 3: our particular industry, we see it quite a lot because
Speaker 3: we very people focused at energy. We are dealing with
Speaker 3: people on a day to day basis, and what happens.
Speaker 3: People come to work, they show up, but unfortunately, because
Speaker 3: of all the pressures that they have, whether it's emotional,
Speaker 3: whether it's financial, they're not really there, and it's more
Speaker 3: critical than what absentiism is because at least with absentieism,
Speaker 3: you know, you're hoping that people are going home, they're
Speaker 3: getting the rest they need, they're coming back and they revived.
Speaker 3: But being at work and not really being able to
Speaker 3: do your job is not just critical or detrimental to
Speaker 3: you as a person, what also affects the productivity of
Speaker 3: the business.
Speaker 2: We're taking your calls on zero double one, double eight
Speaker 2: three seven two or two to one double four six
Speaker 2: five six seven. We're speaking mid year fatigue and how
Speaker 2: you should know, how you can know if you're experiencing it,
Speaker 2: and you know, understanding your body at this time of
Speaker 2: the year, understanding your mind, your mental health and wellbeing
Speaker 2: at the time of the year, in all order to
Speaker 2: continue until the end of the year. Karen, maybe we
Speaker 2: should go into those types of fatigue because you know,
Speaker 2: if you ask me, it all feels the same, might imagine,
Speaker 2: you know, especially if you aren't aware that the are types,
Speaker 2: you just always just feel tired.
Speaker 1: So what are those types?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, people need to really just
Speaker 3: acknowledge that they fatigued and it can, you know, present
Speaker 3: itself in different ways. So you know, as I said
Speaker 3: to you, you might feel a little bit irritable, and
Speaker 3: often that is because you feel like you're overwhelmed. So
Speaker 3: that's the type of fatigue. If you don't listen to that,
Speaker 3: if you don't rest, if you don't take necessary breaks,
Speaker 3: that can turn into something you know, more critical, like burnout.
Speaker 3: If you're looking at headaches and so on, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're not dealing with why you're having those headaches,
Speaker 3: whether it speaks to somebody being just you know, mentally stressed,
Speaker 3: if you're not creating boundaries for yourself, those headaches could
Speaker 3: become something that you know, could affect your health in
Speaker 3: a much bigger way.
Speaker 2: And so once you're aware, you know that you are
Speaker 2: experiencing this, what can one do to address it?
Speaker 3: I think you know, as you said that it's very
Speaker 3: important that you are aware and you acknowledge that you're
Speaker 3: struggling with fatigue. You know, Unfortunately, what there is a
Speaker 3: stigma attached to fatigue, to burn out, to depression, So
Speaker 3: people often suffer in silence, which it's a very very
Speaker 3: scary condition to have. People need to acknowledge that they're
Speaker 3: not alone. So many people suffer from from fatigue. In fact,
Speaker 3: probably around eighty to ninety percent of people. What we
Speaker 3: suggest is, you know, take take some more time. You know,
Speaker 3: take some time to actually reset. You know, a holiday
Speaker 3: is really just a pause. And what we're saying is,
Speaker 3: try and look at who you are as a person.
Speaker 3: What are your goals? Be more realistic, do things for yourself.
Speaker 3: We always say, you know, exercise. A lot of what
Speaker 3: we do at Energy as well is we encourage lifestyle changes,
Speaker 3: create that work life balance, and most importantly talk to somebody.
Speaker 3: So if I could give employers some advice, is we
Speaker 3: finding a lot of employers these days are taking or
Speaker 3: signing up for what we call employee assistance programs. And
Speaker 3: with this it's a good practical, cost effective solution which
Speaker 3: gives employees a platform to reach out to professionals that
Speaker 3: can assist them with mental stress, with legal stress, financial issues,
Speaker 3: and of course things that's face to face counseling and
Speaker 3: trauma counseling, which a lot of these benefits on not
Speaker 3: normally available through a medical scheme, or they might be,
Speaker 3: but you know, not everybody, unfortunately has the privilege of
Speaker 3: being on a private medical scheme due to affordability. So
Speaker 3: of course, having this particular platform available, you giving your
Speaker 3: employees the opportunity to take control and just you know,
Speaker 3: on the early onset of something like fatigue, be able
Speaker 3: to reset themselves before it becomes something more critical.
Speaker 2: Of course, the reality is it's really hard to communicate
Speaker 2: something like you know, I'm experiencing fatigue to your employer.
Speaker 2: I mean you just you sound lazy, I'd imagine, so.
Speaker 4: You would think so.
Speaker 3: I think that's part of the stigma. Actually, But what
Speaker 3: employers are doing as well these days is that it
Speaker 3: used to be quite popular for employees to have or
Speaker 3: employers apologies to have like a wellness week. What we're
Speaker 3: finding more popular and now is that they're developing a
Speaker 3: wellness culture, and that is one that is open, empathetic,
Speaker 3: offers various tools that help employees to open up, be themselves,
Speaker 3: be more transparent, and give them that worth life balance,
Speaker 3: so you know. And it also gives them more time
Speaker 3: to be with their families and set boundaries that are
Speaker 3: healthy for themselves as well as for the business.
Speaker 2: We have an SMS here from someone who really highlights
Speaker 2: the challenges that many South Africans go through she says.
Speaker 2: My mom is ninety, my sister is sixty three, I
Speaker 2: am fifty two, my son is fifteen. We're surviving, not thriving.
Speaker 2: We have no financial means to eat out or go
Speaker 2: away for a weekend or holiday. I do believe that
Speaker 2: one has to have short breaks during the year, breakaway,
Speaker 2: a break away goals. How do you overcome the economy?
Speaker 2: Taking leave and staying at home is one thing. Taking
Speaker 2: leave and going away is another thing. A change of
Speaker 2: environment is as good as a holiday. And you know,
Speaker 2: from that, really, you know current I think many of
Speaker 2: us are thinking. Many people don't have the means to
Speaker 2: take the much needed break, and so they just keep
Speaker 2: going with the hope that things will get better.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately that's very, very true. But what we have to
Speaker 3: try and do is is they might not be able
Speaker 3: to go away, and I agree that for most it's unaffordable,
Speaker 3: but a change of environment does help. So, you know,
Speaker 3: regular walks, going to parks, you know, those are the
Speaker 3: type of things families can do together. You know, just
Speaker 3: having time where you know everybody consider around a dinner table.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. It's amazing how families pull together when they
Speaker 3: spend time together. You know, and I always say as well,
Speaker 3: you know, you need to invest in your family and
Speaker 3: and and unfortunately, what we also find today also have
Speaker 3: younger children, is that very often across the generations, there
Speaker 3: there is there's almost like they are not understanding each
Speaker 3: other and their ways and what each one is going through.
Speaker 3: But I think the more time you spend together and
Speaker 3: the boundaries that you set for each other, and the
Speaker 3: time that you sent that that's almost personalized, would really
Speaker 3: assist in pulling a family together and helping to uncover
Speaker 3: some of these pressures.
Speaker 2: And you know, how do we go about encouraging you know,
Speaker 2: the idea that rest and boundaries are not luxuries? You know,
Speaker 2: because I think for many of us we think, you know,
Speaker 2: taking a break is a luxury. You know, it's not
Speaker 2: necessarily a necessity. And I think it's because of a
Speaker 2: price tag that's attached to it. I think you can
Speaker 2: agree that many people feel, you know, going oy or
Speaker 2: taking a break comes with a price tag. If it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean spending money on a break, it means losing
Speaker 2: money while you're on a break, especially in this economy,
Speaker 2: How do we encourage people to keep remembering that rest
Speaker 2: and boundaries are not a luxury, they're necessity.
Speaker 3: So you know, I agree with you that is important.
Speaker 3: People need to change their lifestyle, they need to change
Speaker 3: their mindset, they need to adjust their workload. It does
Speaker 3: always start by recognizing that the change is necessary, setting boundaries.
Speaker 3: Often we're not strict enough on ourselves. You know. We
Speaker 3: might say that, you know, when I leave work in
Speaker 3: the afternoon, that's the end of the day and from
Speaker 3: then onwards its family to time. But then we allow
Speaker 3: one sneaky call to come in and unfortunately that is
Speaker 3: on ourselves, right, So we need to be true to
Speaker 3: ourselves and we need others to respect that space as well.
Speaker 3: Once we set those boundaries and we you know, we
Speaker 3: cement those boundaries, I think it becomes a routine, which then,
Speaker 3: you know, is the lifestyle change that we all need.
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Speaker 2: one seven o two. We're speaking midiear fatigue and I
Speaker 2: want to hear from you. Are you experiencing medio fatigue.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's an actual thing? You know, I
Speaker 2: keep joking saying, I'm not sure that it's a you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a thing. You hear people saying in January,
Speaker 2: you're already, Oh, I'm so tired.
Speaker 1: It feels like I'm at the end of the year already,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But Karen mtchlemore is helping us make sense of fatigue
Speaker 2: and how to address it, how to prioritize rest, you know,
Speaker 2: and some time out, which isn't always a reality that
Speaker 2: many of us have. Okay, so let's speak about, you know,
Speaker 2: a person. Let's speak to people who are feeling pressure
Speaker 2: at the time of the year, Karen, anyone who's feeling pressure,
Speaker 2: they feel like they can't take time out. They feel
Speaker 2: like they are suffocating, and they're being suffocated by their
Speaker 2: jobs or their obligation, you know, and all they have
Speaker 2: is home. What's a step by step approach that they
Speaker 2: can take in order to almost fight off the fatigue.
Speaker 3: I think it's first of all, to look deeply into
Speaker 3: themselves and see what is actually exhausting them, because it's
Speaker 3: it could be various different areas, and those are the
Speaker 3: areas that you need to change. I think from a
Speaker 3: work perspective, it's about talking to your managers. Managers need
Speaker 3: to be more open to listening. Companies are also forming
Speaker 3: what they call wellness committees and in training people up
Speaker 3: to assist, you know, with managing this work life balance.
Speaker 3: So it's about being able to approach your manager to
Speaker 3: start that process going. And as small as that may
Speaker 3: seem to you as a person that might be at
Speaker 3: the start of the struggle, that's probably the most important
Speaker 3: time to actually reach out and get the help that
Speaker 3: you need before it starts to become a serious condition
Speaker 3: that you know. We always say that burnout is so
Speaker 3: much more than anxiety, it's so much more than fatigue.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately, burnout is a reality, and it happens because
Speaker 3: people don't take the first step when they need.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take one of your voice notes.
Speaker 5: Working this talk together every hour every day, this is
Speaker 5: seven or two.
Speaker 1: Let's walk the talk.
Speaker 5: Good evening, Homoso, Homoso. The topic that we are having
Speaker 5: Internet is like you're talking about me. Let me tell
Speaker 5: you my story, Homos. I work for this company, I
Speaker 5: will name them, and I would like to remain a
Speaker 5: Minimus Homozo.
Speaker 1: My shift start at six.
Speaker 5: Dady in the morning when I pick up the kids
Speaker 5: to go to school, and then after that I came back,
Speaker 5: I wait for my boss for us to start doing
Speaker 5: his meetings, so he will do his meetings. Say, for example,
Speaker 5: round about three four five, He's done with his meetings
Speaker 5: and now start socializing with his friend. So I'll be
Speaker 5: there waiting for him until that time. Whenever it feels
Speaker 5: like going home, I'm killing you. Monday to Friday, I
Speaker 5: get home like every day run a bad eleven twelve
Speaker 5: Friday's even where sometimes I get home in the areas
Speaker 5: of the morning, like four or five in the morning,
Speaker 5: and that they need help us every day. So my body,
Speaker 5: I can feel my body that I'm fatigue, I need
Speaker 5: some rest. And on top of that, I don't get
Speaker 5: over time. I don't get paid over time. So I'm
Speaker 5: scared to lose this job because I'm the only one
Speaker 5: working in my family. My wife doesn't work and I've
Speaker 5: got children to support. Every time when I raise this point,
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, told you that if I don't
Speaker 5: want to work, I can go there, They'll find someone else.
Speaker 5: So really, I think I think I need help and
Speaker 5: I think I need an agent help.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Homosom. Sure. I don't know if you could
Speaker 1: hear that, Karen.
Speaker 3: I did. It was quite soft, but I did hear it.
Speaker 3: Do you perhaps have an EAP and employee assistance program
Speaker 3: available to you?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try for us to try call Anonymous so
Speaker 2: that he can share more of these details with us,
Speaker 2: because I also have a couple of questions for him
Speaker 2: so that he can clarify and that we can try
Speaker 2: to find a way to help him through this, because
Speaker 2: it really does sound like it's weighing on him quite
Speaker 2: a bit, and it sounds you know, it sounds impractical.
Speaker 2: There's no working around this, and it sounds like a
Speaker 2: nightmare more than a more than a job. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna ask our producers U s intending to
Speaker 2: try call Anonymous and get him on the line so
Speaker 2: that he can explain to us exactly what's going on,
Speaker 2: and then we can try and give him some advice.
Speaker 2: And you know, sure, Karen, I think what he's raising
Speaker 2: is the reality of many South Africans. You know, the
Speaker 2: fatigue really is coupled with fear of losing the jobs
Speaker 2: that they have because of the economy and just their
Speaker 2: financial position.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's a ripples it's a ripple effect because
Speaker 3: you're unhappy at work, but if you leave your job,
Speaker 3: then you financially stressed, which creates mental, you know, health issues.
Speaker 3: So I absolutely agree with you, But there does need
Speaker 3: to something needs to happen within his personal and workspace
Speaker 3: because what he's going through, unfortunately, is not sustainable. And
Speaker 3: he might be okay now, but it's first going to
Speaker 3: affect him unfortunately, and then what you find it will
Speaker 3: affect the family as well, because silently the family is
Speaker 3: struggling with us him being there. So when he does
Speaker 3: eventually get home, he's too exhausted to you know, to
Speaker 3: be with the family and and just you know, spend
Speaker 3: quality time with the people that he loves. And I
Speaker 3: think what what is so sad, unfortunately, is that because
Speaker 3: you know, it's not easy to find a job these days,
Speaker 3: and for any employer to put somebody you know in
Speaker 3: a position, well you can walk away if you don't
Speaker 3: like it. It's it's really really unfair. But I I
Speaker 3: would I would definitely try and reach out to one
Speaker 3: of the other managers within the business. I would have
Speaker 3: the conversation about what is the expectation of my current position.
Speaker 3: Was this something that I find for signed up for initially,
Speaker 3: and then try and look at maybe even if there
Speaker 3: are other positions within the business that you could grow into,
Speaker 3: because then that might help you as well. Because I
Speaker 3: would never ever recommend that anybody walk away from a job.
Speaker 3: But I certainly believe that if you take the right
Speaker 3: steps and you look at what you really want as
Speaker 3: a person and where you really want to be, you
Speaker 3: can slowly work towards that and then move yourself out
Speaker 3: of situations that don't suit you. And that could certainly
Speaker 3: be one of the solutions he could look at. So
Speaker 3: it's really about having the conversation, and that's the important
Speaker 3: first step.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think.
Speaker 2: We have Anonymous on the line for him to just
Speaker 2: share more with us about the situation so we can
Speaker 2: try and find a way to advise them going forward. Anonymous,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for speaking to us, and thank
Speaker 2: you for opening up in the way that you have.
Speaker 2: You know, the one question, Karen, I think you had
Speaker 2: a question actually where you are asking whether there's an
Speaker 2: agreement that he has.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was actually just saying, whether there is an
Speaker 3: employee assistance program available to the employees at your company.
Speaker 4: Now? Actually, there's nothing like that in our company or
Speaker 4: relend just explained this to you. When it's been three
Speaker 4: years now, I've been working for this company and this
Speaker 4: thing has been happening every day. When I start waking
Speaker 4: for this company, I was told that my suit was
Speaker 4: start at sixth DY. But the ending time, there's no
Speaker 4: ending time. The ending time is when the boss feel
Speaker 4: like going home. As I said, oh my boys. And
Speaker 4: it's not only him, it's him, his family, his friends
Speaker 4: that I look after. It's an every single day. And
Speaker 4: I guess I said, this is yere taking it told
Speaker 4: of me. You know, I don't have time for my family.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it happens on the weekend. He don't get notified.
Speaker 4: He just received a call. I want you to do
Speaker 4: ABCD for me. So as the boss chances of saying no,
Speaker 4: I can't, it's it's like, you know, you know I can't.
Speaker 4: Are you're disrespecting you? No?
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's my life, no, I think, And you're
Speaker 3: in a very very tough situation what I was saying earlier,
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if you heard me. Is it's
Speaker 3: about reevaluating what you want as a person, of course,
Speaker 3: and I said this, don't ever walk away from a
Speaker 3: position that you have, because it's not easy to find
Speaker 3: another job. But what you can do is by reevaluating,
Speaker 3: you can look at what it is and what your
Speaker 3: purpose is, what is it that you want to do,
Speaker 3: and slowly upskilling yourself or moving in a direction where
Speaker 3: you can say, now it's enough that you've got a
Speaker 3: new direction and and you know you've got something that's
Speaker 3: going to you know, grow you into the person that
Speaker 3: you want to do. Because I certainly would never recommend
Speaker 3: that you suffer in silence like this indefinitely. I mean,
Speaker 3: if is there anybody else that you can speak to
Speaker 3: in the business that can guide you into how you
Speaker 3: can perhaps move in a different direction or take a
Speaker 3: different role within the business.
Speaker 4: Exactly? There is that one that I always talk to.
Speaker 4: That's my way to place see understand my situation. But
Speaker 4: the problem is he doesn't have the power to power.
Speaker 4: Lize is my boss. He tried to speak to you
Speaker 4: many times, but it seems it's if nothing is changing.
Speaker 4: I guess you said, you know, I sit down, think
Speaker 4: about it, try to work something out for myself in
Speaker 4: a different way without.
Speaker 3: Losing his job, because I do think I do think
Speaker 3: that's a very good step. You know, focus on what
Speaker 3: you really want, you know, what is it that that
Speaker 3: doesn't serve you, and slowly move into a direction where
Speaker 3: you're going to get that gratification that you can grow.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm currently, you know, looking at at the moment,
Speaker 4: I guess i'm speaking to you now. I'm just sitting
Speaker 4: reading for you since I was year at about like lifetime.
Speaker 4: I don't know what where you're gonna go home?
Speaker 1: Sorry, Anonymous? Is there a reason why you're traveling with
Speaker 1: your boss?
Speaker 4: I drove it. Let me say I'd drive in every
Speaker 4: day to wherever you need to.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, sure, And and there's no one about
Speaker 2: your boss that you could escalate this too.
Speaker 4: No, No, it's the last man's ready. That's very very No,
Speaker 4: it is it is because currently I can tell you
Speaker 4: now I've got some other very very sensitive issue that
Speaker 4: is opinion of my life. Because I don't want to
Speaker 4: say this on public station because something somebody might be
Speaker 4: listening and it will be easy to find out why. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's yeah, it's time.
Speaker 2: That is really anonymous. I just want to thank you
Speaker 2: for sharing your story with us. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: it's a true depiction of what Menis Africans are going through,
Speaker 2: you know, under the current circumstances. But I you know,
Speaker 2: the one thing that I'd like to advise you on
Speaker 2: is just to take time for yourself. Whenever you find
Speaker 2: time to be in a quiet corner, take time for yourself,
Speaker 2: you know, to listen to your thoughts, to be with
Speaker 2: yourself so you don't lose your mind.
Speaker 1: Your mind is all you have really at this point.
Speaker 4: You know that's true, that's true, that's very true.
Speaker 3: But also just just talking to people.